That's not shifting the burden of proof. We literally have the proof that it's 10-D and higher-dimensional. What's under debate is whether or not it's
High 1-C.
I don't think you understood my point.
If there's a single piece of non-contradictory evidence, then we don't really need consistency.
Clarify what you mean by 4-D substructures in relation to the Speed Force, please. Like are you asking if the Speed Force extends to other universes, or if there's continuums separate from the multiverse that exist inside of the Speed Force?
What you said was '
Barry & co. have been shown to be physically limited by the third dimension multiple times, so how come that 3D beings can exist and interact with a supposed 10-dimensional place?' I was
specifically addressing how that's not actually a contradiction.
I'm assuming you're a non-native English speaker given the (Italian?) in your chat GPT question. Maybe there's just a language barrier there, so I'm going to just skip over most of this.
I never said/implied or didn't say/imply it wasn't a type of continuum, so ok there.
Can human beings grab light, gravity, dark energy, etc? No. Then I don't see how this contradicts my point that the Speed Force openly lets them interact with it when they normally couldn't, which is a fact anyway.
No it doesn't because it's an extra-dimensional form of energy that can create metahumans specifically because it doesn't correspond to the laws of physics.
Hell, the other space-time continuums that the Speed Force extend to (let alone the Speed Force itself, which extends to a multitude of different universe) don't even have precisely the same laws of physics.
- “There must be some difference in the way our Earth interfaces with the Speed Force,” Cisco said. “Something about our local physics renders John Quickie’s—” “Johnny Quick,” Barry interrupted. “—formula inert.” “In other words, it only works there, not here,” Caitlin said. “So Barry is back to Slowpoke Rodriguez speed here on Earth 1.”
That's shifting the bop. You have no proof that it's 10D, you're failing to understand that if it's REALLY 10D then it is automatically High 1C. I'm putting into question the speedforce being 10D and THUS high 1C.
"If there's no inconsistency, we don't need consistency" again that's shifting the burden of proof and going under alleged certainty. Each positive claims needs its proofs in order to be asserted, not having proofs means that there's no consistency, so unless you show proof it is inconsistent by its very definition.
Okay I'll clarify: my original point is that if the speed force is 10D, then it is contradictory for 3D characters to interact with it, as it is higher dimensional. Arrow tried to argue that there are substructures inside of the speedforce (like a 5D construct having a 4D multiverse in it, like a subset) so it's not contradictory for barry and co to interact. I replied by saying "there's no evidence for the speedforce having lower dimensional substructures INSIDE OF IT, and I'm still waiting for that evidence
Yeah I got already that this is what you're trying to defend, that's what I put into question by extrapolating via deductive reasoning and counterexamples why the "violating the physical laws" refers to Barry's standard universe (where he lives), berry still exists and acts by following the physical laws of the Speedforce which isn't possible if it is 10D, because it would be a 3D entity following 10D rules (and I proved already why there are the laws of physics)
Yes I'm non-native, but I speak English fluently so ion think there's any language barrier, I understood that you're not arguing for it being 10D, but for my anti feat not being a valid argument. What I'm telling you is that the refutation you guys are giving aren't valid refutations, that's it. The only part that is unclear to me is how can you say that you've established it's 10D but not high 1C, when they are the same thing. In transformers higher dimensions are contradicted, so although they are higher dimensions, they don't have the property of the infinite difference, you follow me? So when it comes to powerscaling, their tier in crossverse isn't 20D or something, but lower, because those "higher dimensions" aren't
real higher dimensions that grants infinite difference, therefore altough they have their name, they are to be treated not as "true higher dimensions". If the speedforce isn't a
real 10D then it's not high 1C. I'm putting into question the speedforce being a
real 10D. Also btw that was Bing's GPT 4 (more reliable, uses internet and checks sources)
what? Yes humans can interact with light, dark energy LOL, dark energy is just non visible and it looks like we need different way to physically interact with it, but it is possible to touch it, just like you can touch light lol, light is literally photons particles, explain to me how you gonna see another person if light doesn't physically bounce on them and comes back to your eyes, physically interacting with your eyes, and giving physical information to your brain
you just have the same effect of touching air, it looks like you can't but in reality you're touching it. And the Gravity one is intellectual dishonesty, because gravity is the curvature of space and time, so it's not physical but dimensional, meaning that humans cannot have physical touch on it, you'd need 4D AP for doing that. So yeah it does contradict what you say because we literally interact with energy every day, with photons etc, but you don't feel them just like you don't feel air or a gas or whatever
Bro... That proves my point... The speedforce has its own physical laws that permits you to violate the physical laws of the normal universe where Barry lives in... So the speedforce has laws, and if they were 10D then Barry, 3D entity, would follow 10D rules while he's in the speedforce, which is not possible and thus contradictory
we're putting into question wether the speed force is 10 dimensional so this point was useless NGL
