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[KLOL506]

Yeah, that's not reason for scaling at all. In fact, the scene actually works against you. Abrasion is incredibly common, and people often get cuts worse than the one inflicted on Thanos and don't even notice it happening. Tiny little insects are also perfectly capable of breaking the skin, like bees and mosquitos. Poorly fitting shoes can break the skin, tripping and falling, a very light press of a sharp object, etc.

No.

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[KLOL506]

"piercing damage" doesn't work the way fiction wants it to, it's all pressure and they ultimately still barely exert any force even when it's over a small area.

You can cut yourself falling on pretty much anything that isn't designed specifically to act as a cushion. Skin's not all that strong.

Thanos's skin is a cut above the rest. Even his innards are equally durable.

 

[TypeOU]

"How do you know only Tony's did anything? Didn't many of his own prior attacks fail to make Thanos bleed, too?"
that's not what happened in the scene. It's not like everyone hit the exact same point of thanos body or something. the reason that punch in particular hurt thanos is that he transformed his arm and used the momentum to increase his force, pretty explicit when you watch the movie.

On another note, Cull also scales to mjolnir cap.

 

[G0KuTArd77]

Thanos was holding back against everyone on Titan except Strange and Iron Man, as it is stated that he used the FP of the stones against Strange (and vice versa) and he only tries to kill people that are a threat to his agenda. All of this is mainly after he dispels of his armor, where as he becomes a "holy warrior" who doesn't speed a lot of time intentionally trying to murder people (As previously mentioned) and is specifically stated to be the opposite of how he's presented in Endgame/2014.
Also when he was getting hit by Iron Spider there was context that is for some reason being ignored by the OP:
1. Thanos was busy trying to free his hand of Strange's cape
2. Peter was blindsiding him
3. Strange was literally helping Peter with the former
So Thanos budging isn't really an anti-feat considering he was moved by characters like Drax and Captain America later on.

 

[Dalesean027]

Yeah I gotta disagree here there's no reason to downgrade from that reasoning and as KLOL has already posted below we know Thanos is extremely durable and Iron Man being able to harm him at all and draw blood is an impressive feat in and of itself with even Thanos himself commending Stark for the fight saying he has his respect

 

[Bernkastelll]

Yeah I gotta disagree here there's no reason to downgrade

No downgrade is being proposed

 

[Dalesean027]

No downgrade is being proposed

It seems more like a Possibly/Likely than a basis for flat out scaling to Island Level, when his previous Key is only Mountain Level.

Imaginym seemed to be pushing for one

 

[Newendigo]

No downgrade is being proposed

If you are going to keep him at 6-C then why even remove him actually dealing damage to Thanos in the first place? That is so arbitrary.

 

[KLOL506]

Imaginym seemed to be pushing for one

Even your proposal gets shot down by WoG.

 

[Bernkastelll]

If you are going to keep him at 6-C then why even remove him actually dealing damage to Thanos in the first place? That is so arbitrary.

Because making something drop a small amount of bleed does not always means that u scale to it

 

[KLOL506]

Because making something drop a small amount of bleed does not always means that u scale to it

Except Thanos is an exception, his skin is not ordinary skin. I thought we had already established this by now.

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[Newendigo]

Because making something drop a small amount of bleed does not always means that u scale to

But that is the only reason he scales in AP in the first place. Remove that and there is no point in him being 6-C.

 

[KLOL506]

But that is the only reason he scales in AP in the first place. Remove that and there is no point in him being 6-C.

Eh, not so sure, Iron Man was trading blows with a serious Thanos in both cases, the drawing-blood thing is just further support.

 

[Bernkastelll]

But that is the only reason he scales in AP in the first place. Remove that and there is no point in him being 6-C.

Not really, he trade blows and thanos took some punches to destroy the armor

 

[KLOL506]

Is literally nobody looking at the WoG articles I just posted?

 

[Dalesean027]

Is literally nobody looking at the WoG articles I just posted?

I am this should honestly be done already that is confirmation enough that the drop of blood is valid on the profile

 

[Newendigo]

Only letting that in the profile would imply they are comparable, which is misleading and not the case

Not really, he trade blows and thanos took some punches to destroy the armor

And you really think that him delivering 2-3 attacks to Thanos that absolutly did nothing, is better reasoning of him being 6-C, than only dealing a direct punch at the face that managed to drop blood on him?

 

[KLOL506]

I am this should honestly be done already that is confirmation enough that the drop of blood is valid on the profile

We prolly should just add the links as further justification as to why the skin argument is valid specifically for Thanos.

 

[Chariot190]

Slap "at most" whatever thanos' durability is I guess on Stark if this is such an issue for some reason.

 

[Newendigo]

I am this should honestly be done already that is confirmation enough that the drop of blood is valid on the profile

Not only that, but is a pivotal moment in the film and a important scene in Iron Man's narrative and the overall theme of the movie of uselessness and failure.

Removing that would be fallacious.

 

[KLOL506]

Slap "at most" whatever thanos' durability is I guess on Stark if this is such an issue for some reason.

Why tho? WoG literally debunks said issues. Thanos's skin doesn't work like normal skin, it's literally stated to be "near-impenetrable".

 

[Newendigo]

I do say is good because Stark at the end just downscales a lot from Thanos.

So "At Most 6-C (Drop of blood reason)" is a accurate representation of his tier.

 

[Chariot190]

Because people clearly have some issues with it, and At most exists for a good reason, let's be fair here, Iron Man obviously scales to Thanos, damage is damage no matter how small, if Iron Man wasn't relative, even to a minor degree, he would of done zero damage and not minor damage, but it's also true the damage was miniscule and clearly the peak of Iron Man's capabilities. His peak is the minimum of his durability I guess.

To be honest I really don't care what happens, I'm just pointing out a potential compromise that considers both side's qualms without being disingenuous, I have no horse in this race.

 

[KLOL506]

Because people clearly have some issues with it, and At most exists for a good reason, let's be fair here, Iron Man obviously scales to Thanos, damage is damage no matter how small, if Iron Man wasn't relative, even to a minor degree, he would of done zero damage and not minor damage, but it's also true the damage was miniscule and clearly the peak of Iron Man's capabilities. His peak is the minimum of his durability I guess.

I mean, Awakened Thor is 6-C for being able to one-shot the Bifrost, something that 7-A Thor took 10 tries to do in the first film, and for the fact that his fat self (Who had become stronger than ever according to the Russo bros) held against Thanos and took multiple direct hits from him, and that he can trade blows with those who can harm him (Namely Hela), and all of this was accepted in a CRT. Could just scale Iron Man to that normally.

 

[Chariot190]

If there's better ways to scale cool, may as well just do that instead of making it overly complicated.

 

[Dalesean027]

If there's better ways to scale cool, may as well just do that instead of making it overly complicated.

This is a simple matter tho we already accepted Iron Man scaling with this feat and WoG backs it up and supports it heavily so there's really no need for compromise since it's as simple as it is

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Wouldn’t "At most 6-C" work better in this scenario?

 

[KLOL506]

Wouldn’t "At most 6-C" work better in this scenario?

You mean At most 6-C normally, 6-C at full power? Since Iron Man did do it with those heavy gauntlet-type things. Maybe scale it to that?

 

[Chariot190]

we already accepted Iron Man scaling with this feat and WoG backs it up and supports it heavily so there's really no need for compromise since it's as simple as it is

Literally nobody is saying not to scale him though? He obviously scales.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

You mean At most 6-C normally, 6-C at full power? Since Iron Man did do it with those heavy gauntlet-type things. Maybe scale it to that?

Gauntlets?

 

[KLOL506]

Gauntlets?

those battering ram thingies.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

those battering ram thingies.

Oh those things. Nah, seems redundant and circular.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Eh, not so sure, Iron Man was trading blows with a serious Thanos in both cases, the drawing-blood thing is just further support.

Just to add, he's also traded blows with cull obsidian if that helps.

 

[Newendigo]

If it was not clear I disagree with the thread, I find Bern's reasoning and proposals extremely stupid for mine and other established reasons.

At best, we should do what Chariot said and put an At Most on his page and that is it, not removing things.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Considering the 6-C value is practically baseline, should Iron Man just downscale to High 7-A

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Considering the 6-C value is practically baseline, should Iron Man just downscale to High 7-A

That also works, but it'll be baseline High 7-A+ which is 2.65 gigatons.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That also works, but it'll be baseline High 7-A+ which is 2.65 gigatons.

Yeah I forgot to mention that

 

[Dalesean027]

That also works, but it'll be baseline High 7-A+ which is 2.65 gigatons.

Not at all if he downscales he'd be above to Thor whose 493 megatons in his mountain level key and even then Tony legit just simply scales to Island level for actually damaging Thanos

 

[Bernkastelll]

Not even Thanos fully scales to the current value, as the stones damaged him a lot.

 

[Dalesean027]

Not even Thanos fully scales to the current value, as the stones damaged him a lot.

You're absolutely wrong there Thanos tanks the first snap that's what he's scaled to the second snap where he destroyed the stones isn't what he's scaled to