Irene Belserion vs. Maou Sadao

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

The fight takes place in Magnolia.

Irene Belserio: 2

Maou Sadao: 7

High 7-A versions. Speed equalized if necessary. Who wins?

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Willpower can shrug off possession, transformation vs transmuation, Reality Warping is more of a location change, overall siding with Maou because of bias, experience, and well his full power never being shown.

 

[Delta3000]

@COB: Irene's possession removes the victims mind from their body so willpower isn't going to help + Irene could just rip his mind out without possessing his body. Irene's full power/all of her abilities was never shown either (Hiro came out and said he nerfed her for the Erza fight.

 

[Izreldan]

I have to go with Maou Sadao for three reasons

1: Maou has Regenerationn and Irene doesn't

2: Maou has defense against Magic, he has been fighting against others who can use Magic for at least 300 years and no one has ever defeated him

3: Maou gets stronger the more fear others around him feel, if he and Irene are fighting in a populated area, it would just make him stronger while Irene would eventually run out of Magic

 

[LordGinSama]

@COB: Irene's possession removes the victims mind from their body so willpower isn't going to help + Irene could just rip his mind out without possessing his body. Irene's full power/all of her abilities was never shown either (Hiro came out and said he nerfed her for the Erza fight.

Didn't Wendy get her mind and body back after Irene possessed her? And saying "her full power / abilities" isn't a good reason it's like the whole Saitama thing. Anyway I'm voting for Sadao for the reasons above

 

[Xmark12]

Coming back to this to later, but for now imma go with Sadao via more useful hax and reasons above. Will explain further tomorrow.

 

[Davidsteel1]

Wendy got her body back because she also specialises in enchantment, the same as Irene- like Delta said it's not a matter of willpower. And saying, that Sadao wins because he's been fighting for 300 years isn't a reason either; Irene has been around for about 400 years herself, during that time she invented a new form of magic, fought in a war against dragons and has been hailed as 1 of the most powerful ppl in a world filled with powerful mages too. And concerning the population bit is there anything in standard battle assumptions that references this?

 

[LordGinSama]

^ I believe only the OP can specify that. Like "Battle takes place in populated city" I haven't seen any rules against this but I'm not entirely sure.

 

[Izreldan]

^ I believe only the OP can specify that. Like "Battle takes place in populated city" I haven't seen any rules against this but I'm not entirely sure.

It says at the top "The fight takes place in Magnolia." Which is a town in Fairy Tail

 

[Davidsteel1]

The standard battle assumptions also state that if a particular place gives an unfair advantage to one of the characters then, it should be discussed in the thread and changed in the OP. If staying in mangolia give an unfair advantage to Mr. McDonald's employee, then it should be changed to a neutral ground

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Sadou via reasons above.

And I personally do not believe that an environment allowing a character to utilise all their abilities effectively, in this case a populated area allowing Maou to draw on their fear, qualifies as an unfair advantage. It could just as easily be said that by placing Maou in an environment where he is denied his ability to grow stronger through other's negative emotions is an advantage to Irene, due to him not being able to use that ability.

However, IIRC, magic in Ente Isla is free and permeates the world, just like in Fairy Tail. The reason he can "grow stronger" in the series by absorbing other's negative emotions is not because he is actually growing stronger, but is because when humans from his version of earth feel negative emotions, they release magic that is otherwise trapped from their hearts into the world, and he is gaining more access to the magic he would otherwise be capable of simply absorbing from the environment around him. Placing him in Magnolia is essentially giving him access to his full power, as in the FT world magic is not trapped in the hearts of humans and only accessible when they feel strong emotions.

 

[Davidsteel1]

I'm gonna hafta disagree Monarch. If we let fights occur where 1 character is gaining an undue advantage simply because of where they are how I is it fair? This isn't like absorbing ur opponents energy or manipulating the battle field, as in this case Mr McDonald's employee will just get stronger because humans are around, that only makes for unfair and uninteresting fights because the results are already determined based on where they're fighting. It's like I put Natsu Dragneel against a random character in a place where there is perpetual fire, so Natsu never gets exhausted and is steadily boosting his attack power it's a bland and uninteresting way of debating.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Let's just assume Sadao is given juice to function as he did in his fights that we saw (excluding full demon Sadao) but the place they're in has no one around to draw more power from.

That cool, or nah?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I'm cool with that. The bit about being in the FT world giving him his full power stands though, so it would need to be somewhere else.

 

[Davidsteel1]

I am also cool with that, honestly I know 0 about Mr McDonald employee. I was just concerned with the points being given

 

[Omega998]

@Izreldan You reason has be counter

And about magic irene magic almost limitless 400 year without eat anything,enchantmen large country in base, Chance body,enchant almost 1m soldier to beserk, 1 one them can give trouble even for erza etc

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

True. I'll rescind my vote for now then

 

[Delta3000]

Couldn't we just put them in the standard arena which would still be fair because Irene could just kill or weponize the civillians denying Sadao his power source and turn his sword back into a broom (or steal it).

@knightofanhilation666: I was just pointing out that we never saw what Irene's dragon slayer magic was just as we don't know how powerful Sadao was before he ended up on Earth.

 

[Izreldan]

@Izreldan You reason has be counter

And about magic irene magic almost limitless 400 year without eat anything,enchantmen large country in base, Chance body,enchant almost 1m soldier to beserk, 1 one them can give trouble even for erza etc

When I was talking about him fighting for 300 years, my point wasn't his experience, Irene has that over him, my point is that Maou can nullify Magic, essentially, he's an Anti-Magic Character similar to Kamijou Touma, the only thing that he seems to be weak against is Time Manipulation, as that was how Emilia was able to land a hit on him, before that he was stomping several skilled Magic users, including Emilia, a Half-Angel specifically skilled at killing Demons, I mean, there's a reason why he is the King of Demons, he literally had an entire world of Wizards fighting against him and he held his ground for 300 years

Not to bash Fairy Tail at all, but Irene was considered one of the most powerful Magic Users within the country of Fiore, which is impressive, don't get me wrong, but Maou was feared across an entire world, for a time, he even ruled that world

We have yet to see his full power, but it is very likely that he will be a Zeref or Acnologia-Level Threat at full power.

 

[Delta3000]

Maou has sealing and barriers not power nullification.

Maou also only has city lvl durability so any attack Irene manages to land would kill him (unless his regen can save him).

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

His profile doesn't say he can nullify magic. Maybe it's referring to the Spell Breaking stuff?

 

[Delta3000]

Probably; how does that ability work?

 

[ZeedMillenniummon89]

Maou for reasons above.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

He nullified barriers and a couple of spells in the anime iirc. Also Irene isn't the only one who has mental magic. Maou has sleep effects and can wipe away memories. Knock out an entire city iirc

 

[Delta3000]

I ask because he may have to have knowlage of the spells he nullifying. IIrc Maou (in character) doesn't use his sleep and mind manip on the people he is actually fighting.

Irene since she can nullify Maou's sword and he doesn't have the dura to tank hits from her (she could turn him into a bomb or vaporise him).

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

What the, I just checked the profile and why is his DC not equal to his Durability?

Also even with that I find it likely that he could seal Irene too. Last I remember too his second in command was turned to stone/ice but he resisted it so I won't be surprised if he's capable of just shrugging any transformative effects.

 

[Delta3000]

Not sure, prehaps his demon sword just increases his AP; Not that it matters since Irene can disable it bumping him back down to 7-B.

He could but Irene has her minions to distract him.

It isn't one of his listed abilities so we can't use it, even though he probably could do it. Petrification is generally reversable/resistable in most fictions where as vaporisation isn't.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

You realize he formed it out of a broom? And can repeatedly do it? If anything it's not because of the demon sword that he got that from but rather from the fact that so many people were screaming in fear during his battle with an archangel.

Mooks tend to die fast to Maou.

Where did vaporize come from? Also still looking for a refutal on the pain stare and the sealing.

 

[Delta3000]

Irene can repeatedly dispel it and kill the civilians cutting off Maou's power source.

Even 7-A to high 7-A ones?

She used it on Erza's swords and just because Hiro didn't let Irene use it on someone doesn't mean she couldn't. She probably couldn't do any thing about them. How does Maou counter Irene ripping out his mind, possessing him or turning him into a small, harmless animal like a mouse or a snail and then squishing him?

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

And how does she instantly know that? It won't be as obvious either and it would look more like a transformation rather than a power up from said villains. Not to mention the fact that the last time someone did that (Sariel the archangel) he got 2 strike out away from said civilian.

Considering Maou fought an archangel on that level but had no issue then yup.

It irks me that when I want to use the idea of PIS everyone denies it (Zeref) while the opposite happens if I want to go against Fairy Tail for once. Either way it's annoying, not pointing at you but rather the idea of abilities being ignored like that. Anyway simple, he does it first. Or undoes the transformation. And also said transformation was only used on a lower level character. Someone with little magic resistance. I heard FT discussions of how it should only work on mooks (which is frankly a bs way of thinking) but he could again dispell it. He did it before after all.

 

[Blanked]

Irene's attacks are far more dangerous since her enchantments or hurt him by making his clothes explode or she enchants the atmosphere around him something even Acnologia couldn't completly block figures react on. Than his power up comes from the feelings of other people but what's stops Irene from transforming those people with her berserker enchantment and use them against him?

Irene can win this easily cause ones she transformers those people into berserkers not only he is costrected to fight in flight because on the ground he would get overwhelmed completly by her berserkers but his power would drop drastically given Irene an easy win. Plus those bersekrs could use building to jump on him and damage him so he must fly quite high to prevent it from happening.

 

[Blanked]

'''I just took a look and he has city lvl durabilty 1 explosion by Irene and his entier body is gone and his regen is not even close enough to save him from that this is a STOMP.'''

 

[Delta3000]

@COB: her magic sensing ability would allow her to sense the magic flowing into Maou from the civilians. Given irene's showings she could easily nuke an entire cities populaton without maou being able to do anything about it.

Fair enough, then, given how haxed they both are the fight would come down to who gets distracted and killed first and seeing as how Irene can spawn about 1 million high 7-A mooks (with sufficiant resourses) she stands a better chance of winning in my opinion.

That's the thing with FT what's PIS and what's a villians actual combat capabilities.

I very much agree that Animal Transformaton only being usable on mooks is BS especially when the anime contradicts it by making the princess a celestial wizard with enough power to casually open the eclipse gate, meaning she was stronger than post 1st time skip/GMG arc Lucy, and therefore not a magicless mook.

 

[Blanked]

High 7-A explosion on a 7-B durabilty= a completely vaporised body something his regen can't help with, like seriously why are people even disscusing this.

 

[Blanked]

@Delta the gate was opened thx to energy gathered from 7 years worth GMG tournament not the princess herself.

 

[Delta3000]

Maou's dura being that low is questionable plus he could block with barriers.

she's still a wizard though and therfore not as mookie as a normal human.

 

[Blanked]

Maou's dura being that low is questionable plus he could block with barriers.

Her enchantment makes his clothes explode so he can't use a barrier directly on himself and most important part is as long as on his stats you see 7-B durabilty this is a stomp.

 

[Delta3000]

True but he can block or dodge any of irene's projectiles and he's got more than enough power and haxes to take her out so i wouldn't call this a stomp even though he will die from 1 direct hit.

 

[Blanked]

Getting killed by a single hit that lands on you looks like a stomp to me cause he has no way to take her down or even do a decent damage before she hits him once if he had the speed adavanatge than this would have been fair but like this it's or stomp or ridiculous desicive. No matter the people wanking him more than neccessary.

 

[Delta3000]

Maou has the AP and haxes to take her, just look at his profile and speed is equal so he is able to react to her attacks. The only major disadvantage he has here is his low durability that would force him to do alot of dodging which he can do fairly easily thanks to his teleportation and flight.

Given that Maou has stomped high 7-A characters and I'm one of the people voting for Irene; No i'm not wanking him.