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Eos Eve sure(even Kirkman sees it that way). Oliver, Robot and Tech Jacket also should by the way, I don't know why the site treats them like they don't
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Invincible season 2 general discussion
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Haven't been on in a while but since S3 is around the corner, figured might as well. Trailer dropping tomorrow i'm pretty sure, but already got accidentally released for a short time on Prime. Seems there's been a fair bit of discussion with new scaling after the DB vid.
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I've roughly calced it before but haven't published for VSBW. Gets to around moon-small planet IIRC.Has this feat been calculated yet ?
Funnily enough, I did a calc on the solar disk all the way back in like 2021 or 2022 and uploaded it on my Invincible doc. I was preaching that feat for a while as supplementary evidence to help Viltrum feat look more consistent. Surprised DB found it only recently. Got to Small Planet btw.You'd think a series as popular as this would be more thoroughly analized but apparently not
We should ask the guy who did the Viltrum calculation that's currently used, he wanted to use another planet as a reference but got told off about it, it seems he was onto something after all. He's also got a lifting strength feat for Tech Jacket that hasn't been revised yet
Maybe pre-s4. Having 2 specials for this season would blow over their $50 animation budget unfortunately.
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For anyone interested in my old scaling docs. Probably haven't touched them since last year tho.
-AP scaling.
-Speed scaling.
-Dura scaling.
-Varying schools of interpretation regarding Viltrum feat (extra).
-AP scaling.
-Speed scaling.
-Dura scaling.
-Varying schools of interpretation regarding Viltrum feat (extra).
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Yeah, I still have to disagree with the assurtion that Viltrumites don't have adrenaline. At no point do any of them (characters or Kirkman) say Viltrumites lack adrenal glans. Kirkman was reaffirming that Mark had the willpower to win, and that his adrenaline allowed him to push further. "[Y]ou had rage and adrenaline... you were more invested in the fight." isn't "you had adrenaline... which is why you won the fight". Mark was so invested that he had that over Conquest. Conquest died without believing he would die, that it this was anything more than a game that he was a "spectator" of.
Is the Mean Supreme scaling supposed to really mean anything. I get that the aim is to point out that Invincible (as a verse) is stronger than it may seem at first, but such scaling is wildly beyond everything in verse.
Question, wouldn't Mark already be moving at MTFL speeds when he outraces the CoP ship?
Is the Mean Supreme scaling supposed to really mean anything. I get that the aim is to point out that Invincible (as a verse) is stronger than it may seem at first, but such scaling is wildly beyond everything in verse.
Question, wouldn't Mark already be moving at MTFL speeds when he outraces the CoP ship?
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What about trying to get an estimate about Viltrum's size ?
Also, do Death Battle methods change anything about the stuff you've calculated ?
I also feel like there's a decent argument for them being way above the current value they scale to. Space Racer's gun can statedly (and shown in the animated series) to destroy stars and planets, but the best it can do to Viltrum is destabilize it ? And not even permanently as it was going to restabilize almost instantly
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the planet was already destabilized
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Agree to disagree. It’s not really a case of proving a negative either way, but I’ve shown my reason. Conquest would have no reason to think “that’s not how that works” in regards to rage and strength. Same with the name-less Viltrumite thinking rage gives Omni-Man no advantage in combat, but rather only a disadvantage.
It’s just there as a side-note. Best to include everything in there.
At the exact point t=0 where he exits the ship and they’re in the same position, he’d need to provide his own acceleration to get ahead of it. At t=0 they become 2 separate “particles”. Inertial frames yk
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I generally thought most of DB’s methods were horseshit. I don’t take them seriously. They use a lot of Occam’s razor for calcs and I disagree with their methods.
I’ve thought about that with the infinity ray before and just dismissed it. It’s too illogical narratively and creates a whole load of issues. I’d rather just keep the show and comic separate for now. I’d like to think comic versions relies on more chain-reaction type events to reach high destruction, like how it did the asteroid field. How it does that for Stars? Can’t explain that, but the description for the ray in the comic was left fairly ambiguous anyhow.
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The planet was destabilised due to the infinity ray. I’m not sure where you got it being destabilised prior from.
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Must've gotten confused my apologies
What methods are even consistent for the sun disk calc
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Aren't you also aplying that to yours tho ?
The chain reaction was the ray hitting the asteriod so hard it's pieces hit other asteriods and so on, that isn't what happened on Viltrum at all. It's not like it affected the ring's gravity, making the asteroids easier to destroy
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I’d just go over the lowest end of assumptions. Not inflate. I used geometry for the size of the disk (pixel calcing the perspective where the laser hits it) from the planet via assuming the planet is Earth-sized and knowing 100% of light is obscured (also assuming AU distances from the planet to the Star).
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In what way? For the Viltrum calc I did there’s a lot more simpler ways to go about it that’d yield higher values. I tried to go the niche way of specific mass of the planet ejected at escape velocity. If I knew how to, I’d probably try factor in how escape velocity changes in small increments after more and more mass leaves the planetary body. It’s probably negligible though. DB pretty much assume the Viltrumite’s did all the work for the feat IIRC.
If the ray was star level in DC wouldn’t it completely obliterate the single asteroid it hit, instead of sending it off omni-directionally into large enough chunks to cause a chain reaction. Calcs would also just go out the window if we assume Viltrum’s core is star+ level durability. It’s a dumb rhetoric imo
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Why wouldn't it be true ? Also iirc that was talked about here but was dismissed because it was higher than Viltrum destruction(which they got through botched methods anyway)
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You're mentioning in the end of the blog the writting of the Invincible-verse functions that way
Anyway, have you ever thought of revisiting them one last time before posting them here ? If not, would it be ok for someone else to post them while crediting you, after you've checked them ?
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Where it was talked about anyway?also do you mean tte destruction of the planet of those aliens?Nolan didn't seem to go all out in that fight, if he did the whole civilization would be dead and he needed them alive so he could go back
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Omniman (TV) potential upgrade?
So Mark threw a meteor back to space and Omni man says he did the same with a meteor the size of Texas. Pretty sure that would garner some serious AP, any thoughts?
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This aged badly after Omni man travels through entire galaxies and they put him at RelativisticOmniman (TV) potential upgrade?
So Mark threw a meteor back to space and Omni man says he did the same with a meteor the size of Texas. Pretty sure that would garner some serious AP, any thoughts?vsbattles.com
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It's been an hour since the Season 3 trailer dropped and this thread is as dead as before, the verse is cooked in this site 
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Even worse in FSLIt's been an hour since the Season 3 trailer dropped and this thread is as dead as before, the verse is cooked in this site
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When are we gonna use the throwing the asteroid feat?
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Specific numbers for how much stronger he's gotten lol
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If Mark growing 238% stronger in 3 months is seen as impressive growth, then it makes less sense to have his first key at 7-A considering there shouldn't be that much difference between the Mark that fought the Viltrumites and the Mark at the beginning of the series.
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Yeah, I really think a big part of things is him not being used to his strength yet.
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Mark could barely make Nolan flinch in S1, it is too inconsistent for him to be viltrumite level so early.
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I was just regurgitating what Donald said by adding it to 100% for each statistic, because that's the level Mark has attained, not how much he has grown on top of 100%.
I'm just getting ahead of any confusion this may cause in spite of Mark's growth being said at the very beginning of the trailer.
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I don't know why his keys aren't just labeled "Season 1 | Season 2"
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+65% Speed
+70% Endurance
+138% Strength
His AP would be 2.45 Teratons. Neat, I guess.
Don't know if we'll be seeing any visual feats at that level this season.
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Second option, he's gonna bust, all right.
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It’s seen more impressive cuz he’s already been developing a while. That’s how I see it at least. Like I’d imagine they’d see completely BoS Mark increasing in stats like 10-fold or whatever in quick succession as nothing too crazy because the level he’s increasing to isn’t crazy itself. I’m sure the level he’s at and increasing from is getting impressive within itself.
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That’s nothing to do with feats. It’s about the contents of the handbook for biology and power explanations or whatever.
There’s a few feats I might try revise that are pretty solid but I might get a bit lazy. Someone can try calc some themselves if they want.
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Really excited for this. The whole premise for the series (AFAIK) will just be the AI in the ship from the one-shot comic issue 2 years back (I think) flying Battle Beast around to different places across the Universe to fight powerful opponents possibly capable of killing him. I’d imagine we could get some good feats or scaling from that. From what I’ve heard it’s gonna be ongoing for a bit (possibly stretching for more than a year). It would end with however the Viltrumites eventually imprison Battle Beast.
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Maybe those explosions from the trailer possibly? Probably not though. If we’re lucky, the same nuke Mark flies into and seems to set off would be the same one presumably strong enough to set off the biggest solar in the Sun. Might not be Multi-Continental in size as a nuclear explosion but would be in AP.
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The feats there better not be dismissed as outliers if they yield something higher than the current Viltrum calculation
