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Yes, ID's potency certainly scales to Yogiri's True Form. Instead of saying the death hax we have seen is "a manifestation of its power", it'd be better to call it "a manifestation of its nature". What we see as a death hax is actually just 'The End' imposing its meaning on anything it wants (it seems to be working on the principle that so long as something 'exists', no matter in what form, it should naturally have an 'end'), which effectively "ceases the existence of the targeted person/thing/concept/phenomenon/existence forever". This is also why even if something 'killed' by ID has some form of regeneration (including High-Godly), it'd be totally useless due to the state of 'existence has ended' imposed on it (you need a higher tier AP or hax to avoid being put in such a state); growing new organs or concept would not help as they won't function at all due to the very meaning of their existence being kept in an 'ended condition'. It is a power that would work even against those that deny or nullify all supernatural things (for ex., Imagine Breaker), as beginning and end are some of the most fundamental and natural aspects of the world.By the way, @Gemstic , would you say ID’s potency scales to Yogiri’s true form power? It’s just the manifestation of its power, right?
There is a conceptual hierarchy of worlds, a flow of power from the top to the bottom. When moving from the world above to the world below, you only need to fall down, but to move up, you need enough energy to go against the flow. It seems that in the world's hierarchical structure, this world is located at the bottom. Therefore, it would take a lot of energy to return to the world of Yogiri and the others. |
"Die!"
The hero shouted at the top of his lungs and the prison of light shone even brighter than before. However, after a single flash it was already over. The light ceased and everything was gone. The small blades the hero had used for the spell, the straight sword that looked like it had been plucked out of a legend, the beastman that was rolling around on the floor, and Lain. The produced heat must have been immense, for even the floor had started to melt and glow like lava.
"Ariel... I've finally... ...taken down the first..."
The hero mumbled something as he lost the strength in his feet and fell to his knees. He put so much into that one attack he could hardly even stand.
"How... how do we even treat a case like this?"
"What do you mean!? Of course the killing of a Sage is a major crime! We must immediately arrest him!"
Edelgard's usual habit of acting before thinking made George want to lie down and curl up next to the hero. No matter how weakened he may be, they had no chance of arresting a hero. George looked over to the feudal lord at the other side of the room with a gaze that said
"If you're an acolyte of sages then can't you do something about this?," but Masahiko vehemently shook his head. The responding gaze was equally vocal:
"No way."
"So is this Ariel your dead lover or something?"
But there wasn't anything for George or Masahiko to do. Just like she did all those times before, Lain stood in her spot anew. Despair warped the hero's face.
"...How... ...did you escape...?"
"I didn't. Why would I if I can't be killed anyways?"
"...This can't be... even Sword Saint Kartena was tracelessly erased by this heat, there shouldn't have been anything left of you..."
As a matter of fact, Lain truly was entirely eradicated by that attack.
"I wouldn't be having such a hard time if I could die just by burning to utter nothingness. Honestly you might as well think about this degree of immortality as a curse, I don't even want to think about how much longer I'll live."
“ | "That is a dead end. That is the ending point for the fate of each and everything, and there's nothing beyond that. The end of everything has assumed the form of a human being. It is precisely because that is 'The End', that thing would be present till the very end of everything in existence. It is impossible for anything to go beyond that. In a front of such a thing, Fate, Plot, and the like are less than a joke. It would be the definition of idiocy to even think of fighting such an existence. It is said that can kill the target with just a thought. When she first heard of it, it sounded really stupid to her. She thought it only appeared so because of the great difference in the strength between the target and the killer. She thought there should be some kind of trick to that ability. She was under the impression that once she is done with unraveling and analyzing the ability, she would be able to come up with a counterplan and deal with it one way or another with her own ability. However, she couldn't have been any more naïve. She finally realized after personally taking a look. No matter what it is, it'd die if that wishes so. There is no thing or phenomenon that would be allowed to exist if it was denied by that." | „ |
I just saw this point, after my reply. I thought that the regeneration would scale to all the Sages and not be something special to Lain. I guess my views is the regeneration of feat average sage have + immortality type 8 from my old point, then.I don’t get where the low-godly correlating to Lain comes from, that’s kinda supposed to be her quality and that feat was done in a scene that was demonstrating it. We later see ofc that her regen is attached to her type 9.
the conceptual hierarchy wasn’t being used to justify transcendence either.
How long had she been frozen.
Malna, who had been lying on her face, slowly raised her face.
Her words reminded her of Yogiri's ability to kill instantly, but she still couldn't believe it.
She didn't know what had happened.
Without any warning, Rilna is down.
Nothing should have happened, but Rilna has stopped.
Yogiri is not doing anything.
Objectively, he just said the words, "You die," and that's it.
There was no power emanating from his body, nor was there any indication that anything had acted on Rilna's body.
And yet, Rilna has stopped moving.
Malna could not find a relation to causality from Yogiri there.
Even with God's eyes, she couldn't see anything.
Yogiri wanted her to die, and the next moment, Rilna stopped moving. That was all, and there was no connection between those two facts as if there was no connection between them.
Therefore, it is impossible to understand that Yogiri's power of instant death.
It's impossible.
It was completely imperceptible, and therefore it was impossible to know how to shake it off.
It was so unreasonable that it was beyond even causality itself. No matter how far back in past one goes, it could not overturn the determined event.
This means that Yogiri is beyond Fate, Plot, etc.In a front of such a thing, Fate, Plot, and the like are less than a joke. It would be the definition of idiocy to even think of fighting such an existence.
OH good and what are the reasons for the Low 1-C rating?The 2-A has already been applied. We're now waiting to see if Yogiri can be low 1-C and if he can have acausality type 5
Mmmm so you are saying that his true form exist on a higher dimensional plane of existence then HRE? If yes then that's 100% 5DI mean, you can just read the thread but eh. He's beyond the scope of an infinite conceptual hierarchy of heavenly records, and he's also incomprehensible to 4-D beings.
Possibly low 1-C should probably be fine, no?Not really, as u can see there are members iffy about it
Well, he's the embodiment of the concept of 'The End' in human form, so yeah.I mean, we assume everyone has a soul unless stated otherwise for what I remember, unless there are exceptions like when u embody a concept or soemthing idk
I get what you mean, but if her power can't bypass the resistance of the target (which would be 'negating' it), there's no way for it to work with 100% probability. That's a plain and simple deduction based on the ability.We dont have enough evidence for resistance negation in Mei's case. It needs to directly state that it bypasses resistance or feats of doing it
I mean, if they resist the 100% thing then they resist it. Thats why Yogiri get resistance from thatI get what you mean, but if her power can't bypass the resistance of the target (which would be 'negating' it), there's no way for it to work with 100% probability. That's a plain and simple deduction based on the ability.
Yeah, no one knows unless specifically mentioned, but it'd be more 'plausible' for such things to be without a soul, objectively speaking. (how they're treated depends on the series in the end)That's why I said I am not sure if people like that are also assume to have a soul or not
It would work for everything: spatial manipulation, resistance against it, and since the power force you away to someplace else - resistance against BFR.I suppose that works, but I was thinking more of spatial manip for yogiri since he can kill dimensions and space
Teleportation is already included for Sion
Where is any of that suggested, though? All those excerpts say is that his true form existed before all of existence and will eventually outlive it, since he's "the end of everything" personified. None of that indicates Yoguri's abstract form completely transcends the multiverse or anything like that, which is what Low 1-C would imply in this case.Now, this might be a stretch, but since Yogiri's true form is beyond the scope of the infinite conceptual hierarchy of heavenly records (as well as being a transcendent concept), plus being impercetible/incomprehensible from the pov of 4-D beings, this could probably give him Low 1-C (or possibly Low 1-C). Im not so sure about that myself, though. Take it with a grain of salt.