Injustice: Revisions Amogus (Volume 1)

[Hellbeast]

I feel like the 2 flashes could get 1 or 2 tier higher with barry's feats. Doctor fate not being above that is weird but I guess he doesn't have a lot of feats.

Feats for flash:
"evened the odds" against the gods, hurting 3 of them with his puncheshttps://i.imgur.com/Sh2oTS6.jpeg

The Gods he punches are Hermes, Atlas and Eros

1. Hermes has no scaling but Flash iirc
2. Atlas I can't recall any good feats
3. Eros' only memorable showing is being soundly << Shazam which doesn't help

I might be missing something but they don't seem great

easily overpowered fear hal

This doesn't seem substantial enough for a tier gap tbh

one punched wonder woman (not sure if we're using game feats tho)

This is admittedly part of why I wanted Diana at likely High 6-C but this would be an outlier under current

beat Hermes

Once again this is only really scaling him to someone who scales to Flash which doesn't help us

knocked back superman and wonder woman (also cyborg)

This seems like a strange use of vibration Manipulation and I'd note neither Diana or Clark are really harmed by this; it seems more like staggering tbh

also in the game, he takes fear hal, solomon grundy and sinestro with presumably no time to rest between each fight.

1. Hal is Trash
2. Sinestro is Trash
3. Grundy is inconsistent
4. Flash has a massive speed advantage over them

If not high tiers, he should at least be mid tier

I definitely disagree with High tier and while not fond of mid tier (imo too many are getting it) but I can be swayed

 

[TypeOU]

Hal is Trash
Sinestro is Trash

Still, they're currently in the same tier as Flash. And it's not like he has counter feats to say that those are outliers.

I thought I saw atlas in the mid tier, my bad. His feats are overpowering cyborg and tanking Poseidon tsunami though.

 

[Hellbeast]

Still, they're currently in the same tier as Flash. And it's not like he has counter feats to say that those are outliers.

True but beating characters in your tier just means you're higher up that same tier, not that you upscale to the next echelon of characters

I thought I saw atlas in the mid tier, my bad. His feats are overpowering cyborg and tanking Poseidon tsunami though.

All g man; easy mistake
Cyborg is seemingly the lowest of low tiers and while Poseidon is strong, tsunamis are whack for many reasons (mainly surface area) in terms of determining durability

 

[RanaProGamer]

You know, it still bugs me that Deathstroke without any Kryptonian Pills could take on and BEAT WW, by skill alone, yet the game implies that Batman's skills > Deathstroke's skills, so Batman can also beat the shit out of WW without the pills? Its so weird.

 

[TypeOU]

outlier, the games have a lot of them.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

You know, it still bugs me that Deathstroke without any Kryptonian Pills could take on and BEAT WW, by skill alone, yet the game implies that Batman's skills > Deathstroke's skills, so Batman can also beat the shit out of WW without the pills? Its so weird.

Like said above, outlier

Also, Batman defeated WW in 2's intro actually

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I definitely disagree with High tier and while not fond of mid tier (imo too many are getting it) but I can be swayed

I disagree with High Tiers for sure but I'm relatively ok with Mid Tiers at best

 

[Hellbeast]

Like said above, outlier

In fairness Regime Slade has no other scaling to his name

 

[ArkhamDC06]

In fairness Regime Slade has no other scaling to his name

True but I don't think we can scale him, unless there's clear elements that indicate him to be on that level

Anyway, I think we have enough elements to at least deal with some specific characters

 

[ArkhamDC06]

 

[Hellbeast]

True but I don't think we can scale him, unless there's clear elements that indicate him to be on that level

I mean it's literally all we have

Anyway, I think we have enough elements to at least deal with some specific characters

Yeah pretty much everyone can be evaluated

 

[ByAsura]

So Slade with superpill = Slade without superpill, which, even in the game, is stated to be a 10-fold amp (as dumb as that sounds).

 

[ArkhamDC06]

So Slade with superpill = Slade without superpill, which, even in the game, is stated to be a 10-fold amp (as dumb as that sounds).

Pretty much

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I mean it's literally all we have

True

Yeah pretty much everyone can be evaluated

So what would be the justification for the High 6-C tier (we only need to give the justification to Supes and Darkseid I think and we can simply say the others on the same level are comparable) and the 6-C tiers?

After that, I can start making edits if that's ok

 

[Dark-Carioca]

even in the game, is stated to be a 10-fold amp

It is?

 

[Hellbeast]

So Slade with superpill = Slade without superpill, which, even in the game, is stated to be a 10-fold amp (as dumb as that sounds).

Is Slade ever stated to have used a Super-Pill

 

[Hellbeast]

True

So what would be the justification for the High 6-C tier (we only need to give the justification to Supes and Darkseid I think and we can simply say the others on the same level are comparable) and the 6-C tiers?

It can just be stuff like
"Diana is able to break Superman's arm before defeating him [albeit he was holding back at the time] and can spar with Kara Zor El)"
Adam can just be mentioned as drawing blood from him

After that, I can start making edits if that's ok

Sounds good

 

[ArkhamDC06]

It can just be stuff like
"Diana is able to break Superman's arm before defeating him [albeit he was holding back at the time] and can spar with Kara Zor El)"
Adam can just be mentioned as drawing blood from him

And the justification for Supes being High 6-C (can't remember the reason for the downgrade) and the simply 6-C tiers like GL?

Sounds good

Good

 

[Hellbeast]

And the justification for Supes being High 6-C (can't remember the reason for the downgrade) and the simply 6-C tiers like GL?

I'm thinking
"Shook Apokalips alongside Darkseid in battle and massively superior to the likes of Aquaman"
I can't recall any other objective calcs we use

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I'm thinking
"Shook Apokalips alongside Darkseid in battle and massively superior to the likes of Aquaman"
I can't recall any other objective calcs we use

Ok. So all that's left is the justification for 6-C tier for Aquaman and weak levels

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I edited the Wonder Woman profile with the new tier and justification. Tell me what you think about it

Wonder Woman (Injustice Composite)

Wonder Woman of the alternate universe is a twisted alternate version of the heroic main-universe Wonder Woman. She is the secondary antagonist in Injustice: Gods Among Us, and a supporting antagonist/villain protagonist in Injustice 2. She served as the right hand for Superman's One-Earth...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Also, I remember a weakened Ares was able to fight Wonder Woman

 

[Hellbeast]

Also, I remember a weakened Ares was able to fight Wonder Woman

He doesn't but he does wrestle with her

As for Diana I'd cut the stuff about her being a daughter of Zeus and the weapons thing since that's whack

 

[Hellbeast]

Also did we decide on a speed for the metas

 

[ArkhamDC06]

He doesn't but he does wrestle with her

As for Diana I'd cut the stuff about her being a daughter of Zeus and the weapons thing since that's whack

Ok

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Also did we decide on a speed for the metas

I..don't think so? I don't recall anything about speed honestly, I thought we kept the same stuff

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Also did we decide on a speed for the metas

Metas? You mean Batman and the like?

 

[ByAsura]

It is?

Batman says it increases strength and durability by 1000% in the first game.

Is Slade ever stated to have used a Super-Pill

I think in the comics.

It still doesn't make sense even if he didn't.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Don't know if that was said but in Year 3, we have some good feats for Conner and Starfire, they manage to harm Superman to a certain degree, especially Starfire (they're still weaker though)

Also, in Year 4 when the Amazon army battles the Regime, Hermes easily outruns Flash. Also, Superman definitely kills Hercules but Hercules isn't a god at the time. Artemis the leader of the Amazons says that on Earth, Hercules is a demi-god and must have a mortal body. Add that to the fact Diana specifically stated earlier in the war, gods cannot die...

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Interesting thing about Poseidon. Aside from the fact Aquaman and Mera could only beat him by surprise, after he was beaten, the giant wave of 3 kilometers tall at least (according to Batman) was too strong for Mera to handle, she almost immediatly lost control and the wave completely covered Themyscira and overpowered Superman, Diana, Olympians like Apollo and so on, whereas when Poseidon was in control, the wave was suspended and it was only unleashed when Poseidon was taken out (again by surprise), proving his power is vastly superior to theirs. He also easily knocked out Diana and made her bleed with a single strike and she didn't want to fight him after that

 

[TypeOU]

Batman says it increases strength and durability by 1000% in the first game.

that's times 11, not 10

just saying

Hermes easily outruns Flash

he doesn't. He takes him by surprise, then every time they fight after that, flash is winning or wins.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

he doesn't. He takes him by surprise, then every time they fight after that, flash is winning or wins.

Just red the page again and yeah

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I edited Darkseid as well with the new scaling. I was planning to edit Superman as well but I wanted to know if the scaling for his Fear Ring self (currently "Unknown, at least 5-B") is still valid or if it needs to be edited with a new scaling as well. If that's good, I can edit the other High 6-C characters

 

[ByAsura]

Interesting thing about Poseidon. Aside from the fact Aquaman and Mera could only beat him by surprise, after he was beaten, the giant wave of 3 kilometers tall at least (according to Batman) was too strong for Mera to handle, she almost immediatly lost control and the wave completely covered Themyscira and overpowered Superman, Diana, Olympians like Apollo and so on, whereas when Poseidon was in control, the wave was suspended and it was only unleashed when Poseidon was taken out (again by surprise), proving his power is vastly superior to theirs. He also easily knocked out Diana and made her bleed with a single strike and she didn't want to fight him after that

Mera was holding it the entire time. She lost concentration after Poseidon's punch.

that's times 11, not 10

just saying

It doesn't add 1000% of someone's strength, it increases strength by 1000%. It's a ten-fold amp.

Just look up 1 x 1000%, and you'll get 10.

 

[Hellbeast]

Batman says it increases strength and durability by 1000% in the first game.

I think in the comics.

Yeah I can't remember any; Bruce meets him in Bali and tells him to break into a key Regime locale and no pill is mentioned

Mera was holding it the entire time. She lost concentration after Poseidon's punch.

Also Water Manip might not equal physical power

Metas? You mean Batman and the like?

I mean characters who don't scale to Supes and Flash in speed like Diana

 

[Dark-Carioca]

like Diana

Well she has this and this

I don't think they've been calculated

 

[ByAsura]

Also Water Manip might not equal physical power

I'd say that's true for Mera herself, but not Aquaman.

 

[Hellbeast]

Well she has this and this

I don't think they've been calculated

I don't think they've been calculated
There's a few lightning timing ones too

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Mera was holding it the entire time. She lost concentration after Poseidon's punch.

Was it stated she was the one controlling it? Cause the wave remains perfectly still until Poseidon is knocked out and it all goes downhill like some instants after

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I don't think they've been calculated
There's a few lightning timing ones too

It hasn't I think. This is also a good dodging feat for Ares