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Data addition| Ben 10 Mana

Pepsimanslover_69

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Hi yall.

So, in Ben 10 Mana makes up the dimension of Ledgerdomain, where time flows differently and the laws of physics is different there in the sense the sky and earth aren't parallel, as well as being the power that permeates all of nature and serves as the substance of magic and the ultimate life energy, the last part is pretty important, as we are shown that even computer programs have life, and an Anodite, Gwen, is capable of functioning in a video game and have it's laws applied to her.

I believe this qualifies it as Data Manipulation, This should also make it a 4D potent energy, given it's making of a 4 dimensional Realm.

Votes:
Agree:
Netrual:
Disagree: Firestrom
 
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Pepsimanslover_69 said:
So, in Ben 10 Mana makes up the dimension of Ledgerdomain, where time flows differently and the laws of physics is different there in the sense the sky and earth aren't parallel, as well as being the power that permeates all of nature and serves as the substance of magic and the ultimate life energy
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Tbf here, this part is completely irrelevant to info 2

Pepsimanslover_69 said:
the last part is pretty important, as we are shown in the episode Game Over that living beings are capable of living in computing environments.
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Only this part is relevant to the problem, but again need more contexts, evidences on this, otherwise it is simply Data Manipulation as the environment is just simulated computer thing
 
I disagree, nothing here still indicates Type 2 Information unfortunately.
Alright, it's not that hard really.
If you had the nerve to claim data/information, then could you show me that data is information themselves or atleast if they correlate with each other or if data is atleast composed with information or vice versa?
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Quoted from my post back when I disagreed about it, nothing there indicates about them being information literally. If there was the slightest mention at the least and if they do correlate at some point then I would have agreed.

Like, you could have data combined with some properties with information being an inherent part of it and it would qualify as Type 2 Information. As long as it's also a building block of reality with someone capable of atleast controlling it, but it's not required if there are statements about them being fundamental as in being an inherent part of reality themselves. Else you could have Type 2 Information from Jujutsu Kaisen which just makes up the fundamental part of their existence and not reality as a whole. But, at some point if it makes up their existence and it dictates the fact that they can interact with reality and vice versa. It would also be accepted as Type 2 Information
The Core Element in GoH is the life essence of reality, it encompasses a person's fundamental information: their Mind, Will, Body and Soul. This dictates how a person can interact with reality and how reality interacts with a person.
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That was a bad example. Apparently the "same" fundamental information that was mentioned there wasn't a fundamental thing like if it defines reality as a whole but rather their existence and how it dictates the fact that a person could interact with reality and vice versa doesn't really mean anything, so it was only accepted as Type 1 Information here with a possibly Type 2 rating but you get the point..

I just realized something, it's legit Type 2 now
 
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Vietthai96 said:
Tbf here, this part is completely irrelevant to info 2
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How? Making up reality is a condition for info 2.
Vietthai96 said:
Only this part is relevant to the problem, but again need more contexts, evidences on this, otherwise it is simply Data Manipulation as the environment is just simulated computer thing
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Fair enough, although it's purpose was to pose as supporting evidence rather.
Voidnether said:
I disagree, nothing here still indicates Type 2 Information unfortunately.

Quoted from my post back when I disagreed about it, nothing there indicates about them being information literally. If there was the slightest mention at the least and if they do correlate at some point then I would have agreed.

Like, you could have data combined with some properties with information being an inherent part of it and it would qualify as Type 2 Information. As long as it's also a building block of reality with someone capable of atleast controlling it, but it's not required if there are statements about them being fundamental as in being an inherent part of reality themselves. Else you could have Type 2 Information from Jujutsu Kaisen which just makes up the fundamental part of their existence and not reality as a whole. But, at some point if it makes up their existence and it dictates the fact that they can interact with reality and vice versa. It would also be accepted as Type 2 Information

That was a bad example. Apparently the "same" fundamental information that was mentioned there wasn't a fundamental thing like if it defines reality as a whole but rather their existence and how it dictates the fact that a person could interact with reality and vice versa doesn't really mean anything, so it was only accepted as Type 1 Information here with a possibly Type 2 rating but you get the point..

I just realized something, it's legit Type 2 now
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I guess the problem is it's not outright said to be information is what both of you saying?

If that's the case, I'm fine with data stuff.
 
Pepsimanslover_69 said:
I guess the problem is it's not outright said to be information is what both of you saying?

If that's the case, I'm fine with data stuff.
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Yeah, that has always been the problem even on previous threads. Sure it's data manipulation on a fundamental scale because it makes up reality but other than that, it doesn't correlate much to information unfortunately
 
I should note, that the whole Data thing is about how living beings such as Ben's Aliens, himself and Gwen(an anodite, someone made up of Mana) can function within a video game and have it's laws applied to them, such as multiple lifes, even characters within the video game who are described as computers programs have "life" and thus Mana within.
 
Pepsimanslover_69 said:
I should note, that the whole Data thing is about how living beings such as Ben's Aliens, himself and Gwen(an anodite, someone made up of Mana) can function within a video game and have it's laws applied to them, such as multiple lifes, even characters within the video game who are described as computers programs have "life" and thus Mana within.
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The whole data thing here qualifies for type 2 whether it's like fundamental as it defines reality or someone's existence, literally but there's no mention about information whatsoever.
That's why I said if there's the slightest mention about it, I'll literally agree. It's self-evident
 
Voidnether said:
I agree with this, it's a bit iffy for 4-D when the only justification is that time flows differently. You could have 1 temporal dimension and time just flows differently in that same dimension.
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Pretty sure you only need spatial temporal separation now, since different time dimensions gives tier 1. I remember DTDT talking about it as well.
 
Pepsimanslover_69 said:
Pretty sure you only need spatial temporal separation now, since different time dimensions gives tier 1. I remember DTDT talking about it as well.
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If it's really different time dimensions yeah sure but honestly I don't see anything that makes it a different time dimensions other than time flowing differently
 
Voidnether said:
I agree with this, it's a bit iffy for 4-D when the only justification is that time flows differently. You could have 1 temporal dimension and time just flows differently in that same dimension.
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The reason why I don’t agree is that Mana making up the universe does not mean it makes up the temporal axis as well without further context. It’s same as “the dark matter makes up this universe”. Would just mean spatially without further context.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
The reason why I don’t agree is that Mana making up the universe does not mean it makes up the temporal axis as well without further context. It’s same as “the dark matter makes up this universe”. Would just mean spatially without further context.
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That's not the case tho. Ledgerdomain is made of Mana, Dark matter is just the most abundant thing in the universe.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
The reason why I don’t agree is that Mana making up the universe does not mean it makes up the temporal axis as well without further context. It’s same as “the dark matter makes up this universe”. Would just mean spatially without further context.
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Yeah, that's literally what I had in mind lmao.
Yeah but you’d need to prove that this includes time axis as well.
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And this.
 
I don't have an idea but isn't mana/magic is against Technology, i mean they are always stated to be different and can't work with each other so data addition feels weird for Ledgerdomain
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
The reason why I don’t agree is that Mana making up the universe does not mean it makes up the temporal axis as well without further context. It’s same as “the dark matter makes up this universe”. Would just mean spatially without further context.
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Mana is multi-dimensional doesn't that make it 4D?
 
Data Manipulation is the ability to manipulate computer data for a variety of purposes. While seemingly limited to hacking and misinformation, various characters can make use of it on other planes as they themselves are made of data and can thus manipulate their own forms or those of others in the virtual or physical plane.

Can you elaborate on how mana is able to manipulate computer information?
 
Firestorm808 said:
Data Manipulation is the ability to manipulate computer data for a variety of purposes. While seemingly limited to hacking and misinformation, various characters can make use of it on other planes as they themselves are made of data and can thus manipulate their own forms or those of others in the virtual or physical plane.

Can you elaborate on how mana is able to manipulate computer information?
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It's a bit of technicality, but the idea is, computer programs have life, and thus Mana, even Gwen and Ben can function within a video game and have it's laws applied to them.

And since Mana is the Manipulation of life energy, that would apply to it.
 
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