Ben 10: Update, Fixing and Additions part 3

[Robo432343]

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Alien X:

• Nonexistent Physiology; Nature Type 1; Aspect Type 3 - He doesn't have a mind, but the one who controls it is Serena and Bellicus who are abstract beings/non-existent

bro where does it say "Serena and Bellicius are nonexistent"

 

[Firestorm808]

More Abilities for mana

• Accelerated Development: Training - Physical Statistics, Abilities & Intelligence; Any sapient species can potentially learn to manipulate mana through study and practice.
  • Disagree.
  • Accelerated Development is the ability to raise one's statistics and/or abilities at a much faster pace than a normal character in the setting is able to.
• Resistance to Explosion, Acid, Ice, Fire, Magma Manipulation: with Mana field and shields, unaffected by Explosion, Acid, Fire, Magma and Ice.
  • Fine
• Clairvoyance and Enhanced Senses: Up to at least 6-D, likely 25-D: Mana users can track things and search for their locations over the universe.
  • Okay with: Interdimensional Range for Clairvoyance, Enhanced Sight, and Extrasensory Perception
• Necromancy: Using spells, they could bring the dead back to life.
  • Seems more like telekinesis. They don't seem alive.
• Anodite Physiology: Resistance to Extreme Cold, Cosmic Radiation and Extrasensory Perception: Mana users couldn't track Anodites (Ben 10: Ultimate Alien, "Girl Trouble"). Anodite can freely travel though space and she didn't show any negative reaction towards the constant radiation of space and it's chillness which reaches at least -276.
  • I suppose

Abilities for Characters
Spoiler: Abilities

• Gwen:
  • Resistance to Sound Manipulation & Durability Negation via Sound; Survived a Sound blast from Ultimate Kevin, which can ignore conventional durability.
    • I suppose
  • Psychometry: Analysed the entire area instantly and found everyone who were present there instantly.
    • Okay.
  • (Anodite) Shockwave Generation and Sealing Negation: Created shockwaves powerful enough to break the Dragon's Seal.
    • Shockwave Generation is fine
    • Sealing Negation is debatable in this example
• Alien X:
  • Nonexistent Physiology; Nature Type 1; Aspect Type 3 - He doesn't have a mind, but the one who controls it is Serena and Bellicus who are abstract beings/non-existent and he live in FOC, a place that is nowhere to be found where he lives outside nothing space (Space Beyond/Omniverse).
    • Disagree
  • Enhanced LawManipulation/Logic Manipulation: Created a paradox of contradiction by allowing two versions of the Elena that would represent the same entity to coexist in the same timeline with completely different backgrounds and personalities i.e. both p and ~p being true at the same time, causing a paradox within the timeline not being able to reconcile the contradiction, and as a result, it would begin to fracture.
    • No laws or logic was manipulated. It clearly shows that
  • Soul Manipulation: Created every anodite while recreating the universe.
    • For god-like entities, we need explicit examples of the manipulations. Otherwise, all god-like entities get all the manipulations that exist in their creation by default.
  • Soul Destruction: Can destroy all of existence includes Anodite a spirits made of mana. (This should also be added for Annihilarrgh, Paradox and Chrono Navigator as can destroy entire universe includes Anodites)
    • I suppose that goes with the EE?

Note: When Anodites release their true forms they first need to destroy a physical body, then release their souls which are Anodites. When Gwen was separating her soul from her body using astral projection, her Anodite form appeared to us which shows us that Anodites are the souls of mana users.

Charmcaster (Alpha Rune)
Spoiler: Alpha Rune Abilities
Charmcaster should get all of Anodite's abilities, Charm of Bezel's abilities and boosts in all of her abilities thanks to the Alpha Rune which gives you all of the mana/magic power in universe:

• Enhanced Probability Manipulation: Has power of charm of luck, which can increase her probability to win or can create favourable conditions
• Greater Enhanced Statistics Amplification: Has power of keystone of bezel and all abilities of mana, which can enhance the power x10.
• Greatly Enhanced Fire Manipulation: Has power of charm of fire and all abilities of mana, which can enhance manipulate fire.
• Enhanced Anodite Powers: Has all abilities of Anodite.
• Regeneration (Mid, up to Low-Godly), Healing & Resurrection: Has power of Charm of Reincarnation, which can returns its host to life or makes them recover from physical wounds and injuries, and regain consciousness if the user is unconscious. Has power of anodites.
• Greatly Enhanced Electricity Manipulation: Has power of Charm of Electricity and all powers of mana, which create, generate, control, and manipulate all forms of electrical energy at will.
• True Flight & Greatly Enhanced Telekinesis: Has power of Charm of Telekinesis, which has a ability to fly through the air at incredible speeds and also have great telekinetic control and manipulation over multiple objects or people all at once.
• Greatly Enhanced Reality Warping: Has power of anodites and all charm of bezel, which can alter reality. Has the Alpha Rune, which grants him absolute control over Legerdomain.
• Abstract Existence: Type 2 - Alpha Rune is source and embodiment of mana, he has control over mana/magic itself, without him, Legerdomain would be destroy.

Disagree. Having power and being able to manipulate it in specific ways are two different things.

 

[REX9097]

• Necromancy: Using spells, they could bring the dead back to life.
  • Seems more like telekinesis. They don't seem alive.

You can see the octopuses attacking on a vendor, and even the first octopus that attacked him before everyone else was clings to his head.

• • (Anodite) Shockwave Generation and Sealing Negation: Created shockwaves powerful enough to break the Dragon's Seal.
• • • Shockwave Generation is fine
    • Sealing Negation is debatable in this example

Gwen literally would have canceled Dagon's seal, Vilgax confirmed this by saying how long will it take.

• • Enhanced LawManipulation/Logic Manipulation: Created a paradox of contradiction by allowing two versions of the Elena that would represent the same entity to coexist in the same timeline with completely different backgrounds and personalities i.e. both p and ~p being true at the same time, causing a paradox within the timeline not being able to reconcile the contradiction, and as a result, it would begin to fracture.
    • No laws or logic was manipulated. It clearly shows that

He literally states that Celestialsapiens can changing the entire universe and he also states that X is capable of manipulating reality, which must include laws.

• • • For god-like entities, we need explicit examples of the manipulations. Otherwise, all god-like entities get all the manipulations that exist in their creation by default.

Can you elaborate further?

• • • I suppose that goes with the EE?

Note: When Anodites release their true forms they first need to destroy a physical body, then release their souls which are Anodites. When Gwen was separating her soul from her body using astral projection, her Anodite form appeared to us which shows us that Anodites are the souls of mana users.

We can put this like this:

Existence Erasure & Soul Destruction (Alien X could one day destroy all of existence[6], including Anodite, a free spirits made of mana)

 

[Firestorm808]

You can see the octopuses attacking on a vendor, and even the first octopus that attacked him before everyone else was clings to his head.

Gwen literally would have canceled Dagon's seal, Vilgax confirmed this by saying how long will it take.

He literally states that Celestialsapiens can changing the entire universe and he also states that X is capable of manipulating reality, which must include laws.

Can you elaborate further?

We can put this like this:

1. It's iffy for me. Will refer to another's opinion.
2. My issue is that the Forever Knights were able to crack the seal with a laser, which allowed an entity to escape. Can the Seal be broken by physically breaking the stone or literally negating the magic behind the stone? IE, through Hax, the stone would be intact, but the magical seal is now inert. What is the cause and effect here?
3. Had AX manipulated the laws and logic to be something new, there wouldn't have been a paradox in the first place. The point of the story is that Ben caused something that is against the natural order that needs to be corrected. No laws or logic were changed.
4. If some entity created Earth and everything on it, they wouldn't get Earth, Fire, Water, Air, Magma, etc manipulation by default. Instead, we can probably use the change in appearance as some form of Soul Manip.
5. Something like that.

 

[REX9097]

Disagree. Having power and being able to manipulate it in specific ways are two different things.

Alpha Rune literally mentions that he is can using all magic, and is the main source of mana in the entire universe and also able to absorb all mana including anodite.

 

[REX9097]

1. My issue is that the Forever Knights were able to crack the seal with a laser, which allowed an entity to escape. Can the Seal be broken by physically breaking the stone or literally negating the magic behind the stone? IE, through Hax, the stone would be intact, but the magical seal is now inert. What is the cause and effect here?

Forever Knights didn't do this, it was Dagon. Dagon freed himself where he was able to cancel seal, Gwen was also capable of this, it was mentioned that she would cancel the seal but the stone was a activates the magic of seal and cancel the seal causes its destruction so that when Dagon canceled the seal a stone crashed with him.

1. Had AX manipulated the laws and logic to be something new, there wouldn't have been a paradox in the first place. The point of the story is that Ben caused something that is against the natural order that needs to be corrected. No laws or logic were changed.

So that's is limited Logic Manipulation or likely Logic Manipulation?

1. If some entity created Earth and everything on it, they wouldn't get Earth, Fire, Water, Air, Magma, etc manipulation by default. Instead, we can probably use the change in appearance as some form of Soul Manip.

So limited Soul Manipulation?

1. It's iffy for me. Will refer to another's opinion.

Possibly Necromancy?

 

[REX9097]

bro where does it say "Serena and Bellicius are nonexistent"

He literally said that Serena and Bellicus are contiousness which means that they are abstract reification of whatever property or aspect.

 

[Vietthai96]

abstraction isn't mean nonexistent, and literally, they are still exists as consciousness, Also when consciousness is automatically abstract??

 

[REX9097]

abstraction isn't mean nonexistent, and literally, they are still exists as consciousness, Also when consciousness is automatically abstract??

"Abstract" mean that it is existing in thought or as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence, this is what NEP (Nature: Type 1) means

1. Material Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a conventional sense. In terms of binary, this would be a 0, where existence is 1 and nonexistence is 0. In simple terms, that means that the characters simply lack the aspect, in the same way that a stone lacks a soul.

Also when consciousness is automatically abstract??

"Here consciousness itself is not typically treated as a substantive entity but merely the abstract reification of whatever property or aspect is attributed by the relevant use of the adjective “conscious”"

 

[Vietthai96]

"Abstract" mean that it is existing in thought or as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence, this is what NEP (Nature: Type 1) means

no, not on this site at least, either you are stated to be nonexistent or not, or unless, you are the very concept of nonexistent

"Here consciousness itself is not typically treated as a substantive entity but merely the abstract reification of whatever property or aspect is attributed by the relevant use of the adjective “conscious”"

seriously, no offense, you linked a Plato study not going to change anything, the verse itself need to elaborate on this

 

[Firestorm808]

Forever Knights didn't do this, it was Dagon. Dagon freed himself where he was able to cancel seal, Gwen was also capable of this, it was mentioned that she would cancel the seal but the stone was a activates the magic of seal and cancel the seal causes its destruction so that when Dagon canceled the seal a stone crashed with him.

So that's is limited Logic Manipulation or likely Logic Manipulation?

So limited Soul Manipulation?

Possibly Necromancy?

1. Do we have the clips for each of those instances?
   1. The Forever Knights did weaken the seal with a laser.
   2. What was the Gwen Quote?
   3. Vilgax was energy blasting the stone seal to destroy it.
2. Why limited? What was changed to support this?
3. Something like that?
4. Not sure.

 

[REX9097]

1. Do we have the clips for each of those instances?
   1. The Forever Knights did weaken the seal with a laser.
   2. What was the Gwen Quote?
   3. Vilgax was energy blasting the stone seal to destroy it.

1. Of course, here, here and here
   1. They didn't weaken it, but they tried to cancel the seal and they weren't able to do that, unlike Gwen, who was confirmed to be able to cancel it. It was also proven that the seal has nothing to do with a stone, as Gwen was performing a ritual to cancel the seal and was going to do that, but Kevin stopped her before she canceled it.
   2. You can see it here.
   3. Did he say he could cancel it? As he was trying to keep it up and wasn't even able to do this, and Dagon replaced Vilgax with Gwen.

1. Why limited? What was changed to support this?

I am asking if it is limited or not. Alien X is capable of changing the universe which works with the laws of physics.

1. Not sure.

So how do you want us to put it? Do you want us to put it "possibly" or you just Disagree?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I'm agreeing with Firestorm so far.

 

[Firestorm808]

I'm agreeing with Firestorm so far.

Did the octopi seem alive to you in that scene?

 

[Firestorm808]

I am asking if it is limited or not. Alien X is capable of changing the universe which works with the laws of physics.

I can acknowledge that they can create ANLG universes with laws of Physics, yes. ANLG universes can vary in their laws. Whether they have been shown to change existing laws is up for debate.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Did the octopi seem alive to you in that scene?

No, it looked like they were being moved with telekinesis. Their eyes were still sunken as well.

 

[Lort15]

No, it looked like they were being moved with telekinesis. Their eyes were still sunken as well.

could you check your own profile posts please?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

could you check your own profile posts please?

I saw your post, I'll get to it later.

 

[Lort15]

I saw your post, I'll get to it later.

thank you so much

 

[REX9097]

Did the octopi seem alive to you in that scene?

No, it looked like they were being moved with telekinesis. Their eyes were still sunken as well.

The octopus' eyes don't need to be sunken, as we see that they attacked seller without Charmcaster raising her hands, she just cast a spell without moving them, and we also see another scene where Charmcaster made homarus come back to life and attack two people who took her things, and Gwen cast a spell that made spoons become alive and attack the worker.