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Ben 10: Update, Fixing and Additions part 3

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More Abilities for mana
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Note: When Anodites release their true forms they first need to destroy a physical body, then release their souls which are Anodites. When Gwen was separating her soul from her body using astral projection, her Anodite form appeared to us which shows us that Anodites are the souls of mana users.
Charmcaster (Alpha Rune)
Charmcaster should get all of Anodite's abilities, Charm of Bezel's abilities and boosts in all of her abilities thanks to the Alpha Rune which gives you all of the mana/magic power in universe:
  • Enhanced Probability Manipulation: Has power of charm of luck, which can increase her probability to win or can create favourable conditions
  • Greater Enhanced Statistics Amplification: Has power of keystone of bezel and all abilities of mana, which can enhance the power x10.
  • Greatly Enhanced Fire Manipulation: Has power of charm of fire and all abilities of mana, which can enhance manipulate fire.
  • Enhanced Anodite Powers: Has all abilities of Anodite.
  • Regeneration (Mid, up to Low-Godly), Healing & Resurrection: Has power of Charm of Reincarnation, which can returns its host to life or makes them recover from physical wounds and injuries, and regain consciousness if the user is unconscious. Has power of anodites.
  • Greatly Enhanced Electricity Manipulation: Has power of Charm of Electricity and all powers of mana, which create, generate, control, and manipulate all forms of electrical energy at will.
  • True Flight & Greatly Enhanced Telekinesis: Has power of Charm of Telekinesis, which has a ability to fly through the air at incredible speeds and also have great telekinetic control and manipulation over multiple objects or people all at once.
  • Greatly Enhanced Reality Warping: Has power of anodites and all charm of bezel, which can alter reality. Has the Alpha Rune, which grants him absolute control over Legerdomain.
  • Abstract Existence: Type 2 - Alpha Rune is source and embodiment of mana, he has control over mana/magic itself, without him, Legerdomain would be destroy.
Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus (Same opinion as Infinitinet), @Planck69 (Same opinion as Infinitinet), @Firestorm808, @ActuallySpaceMan42 (Same opinion as Firestorm)
Disagree: @Firestorm808 (Alpha Rune)
Neutral:
 
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No. What? Why?
  • Resistance to Explosion, Acid, Ice, Fire, Magma Manipulation: with Mana field and shield, unaffected by Explosion, Acid, Fire, Magma and Ice.
Evidence.
No evidence of higher dimensions here. She likely just looked over the 3 dimensional space.

Agreed after correction.
Agreed.
  • Anodite Physiology: Resistance to Extreme Cold, Cosmic Radiation and Extrasensory Perception: Mana users can't couldn't track Anodites (Ben 10: Ultimate Alien, "Girl Trouble"). Anodite can freely travel though space and she didn't show any negative reaction towards the constant radiation of space and it's chillness which reaches at least -276.
Agreed.
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No evidence of resistance which would effect the way she reacts to it, not merely survive it.
Agreed.
No evidence of this.

Agreed after correction.
No. No evidence of this.
Agreed.
    • Soul Manipulation: Created every anodite while recreating the universe.
Agree.
    • Regeneration Negation (up to Low-Godly): Superior to Annihilarrgh and Chrono Navigator, which can destroy all of existence includes Anodite. (This should also be added for Annihilarrgh, Paradox and Chrono Navigator)
Disagree.
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Charmcaster (Alpha Rune)
Charmcaster should get all of Anodite's abilities, Charm of Bezel's abilities and boosts in all of her abilities thanks to the Alpha Rune which gives you all of the mana/magic power in universe:
  • Enhanced Probability Manipulation: Has power of charm of luck, which can increase her probability to win or can create favourable conditions
  • Greater Enhanced Statistics Amplification: Has power of keystone of bezel and all abilities of mana, which can enhance the power x10.
  • Greatly Enhanced Fire Manipulation: Has power of charm of fire and all abilities of mana, which can enhance manipulate fire.
  • Enhanced Anodite Powers: Has all abilities of Anodite.
  • Regeneration (Mid, up to Low-Godly), Healing & Resurrection: Has power of Charm of Reincarnation, which can returns its host to life or makes them recover from physical wounds and injuries, and regain consciousness if the user is unconscious. Has power of anodites.
  • Greatly Enhanced Electricity Manipulation: Has power of Charm of Electricity and all powers of mana, which create, generate, control, and manipulate all forms of electrical energy at will.
  • True Flight & Greatly Enhanced Telekinesis: Has power of Charm of Telekinesis, which has a ability to fly through the air at incredible speeds and also have great telekinetic control and manipulation over multiple objects or people all at once.
  • Greatly Enhanced Reality Warping: Has power of anodites and all charm of bezel, which can alter reality. Has the Alpha Rune, which grants him absolute control over Legerdomain.
  • Abstract Existence: Type 1 - Alpha Rune is source and embodiment of mana, he has control over mana/magic itself, without him, Legerdomain would be destroy.
Disagree. The rune has no relationship to alien life forms otherwise iirc.
 
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  • Regeneration Negation (up to Low-Godly): Superior to Annihilarrgh and Chrono Navigator, which can destroy all of existence includes Anodite. (This should also be added for Annihilarrgh, Paradox and Chrono Navigator)
Im not sure abouy that part. Its like trying to give Soul Destruction to people who destroy afterlives, so I'll be neutral on that part. I seemingly agree with the rest
 
No. What? Why?

Evidence.
Have you watched a video in order to say proof?
No evidence of higher dimensions here. She likely just looked over the 3 dimensional space.
Have you checked cosmology?
No evidence of resistance which would effect the way she reacts to it, not merely survive it.
It was literally unaffected, as it wasn't affected by Sonic Blast, unlike the characters who fainted or had a great deal of pain, causing her death (also ahere are many characters who get resistance thanks to survival like Goku)
No evidence of this.
Watch a clip or explain what you mean, because Gwen literally would have canceled Dagon's seal and she caused shockwaves.
No. No evidence of this.
Yes, we hope for your review of Cosmology. FOC is entirely unreachable/inaccessible by anything and even Space Beyond, which is literally an empty void and outside of an entire universe.
Disagree. The rune has no relationship to alien life forms otherwise iirc.
They are not "Alien Life Forms" they are literally magic beings as Anodite are spirits made of mana and use magic/mana in their power, as for the Charm of Bezel, they are magical tools that have magic abilities.
 
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I agree with Infinitinet

Though I could ping @Firestorm808 as he is good with Ben 10 stuff.
I'm sure you forgot that Anodite's full power depends on mana, and Review what has been said here to understand what is being explained
Have you watched a video in order to say proof?

Have you checked cosmology?

It was literally unaffected, as it wasn't affected by Sonic Blast, unlike the characters who fainted or had a great deal of pain, causing her death (also ahere are many characters who get resistance thanks to survival like Goku)

Watch a clip or explain what you mean, because Gwen literally would have canceled Dagon's seal and she caused shockwaves.

Yes, we hope for your review of Cosmology. FOC is entirely unreachable/inaccessible by anything and even Space Beyond, which is literally an empty void and outside of an entire universe.

They are not "Alien Life Forms" they are literally magic beings as Anodite are spirits made of mana and use magic/mana in their power, as for the Charm of Bezel, they are magical tools that have magic abilities.
 
Have you watched a video in order to say proof?
I watched all the videos?
It was literally unaffected, as it wasn't affected by Sonic Blast, unlike the characters who fainted or had a great deal of pain, causing her death (also ahere are many characters who get resistance thanks to survival like Goku)
I would not call being sent flying and being out of it enough to be grabbed "unaffected."
Watch a clip or explain what you mean, because Gwen literally would have canceled Dagon's seal and she caused shockwaves.
I missed part of the video, but sure.
Yes, we hope for your review of Cosmology.
Seen it already.
FOC is entirely unreachable/inaccessible by anything and even Space Beyond, which is literally an empty void and outside of an entire universe.
Irrelevant.
They are not "Alien Life Forms" they are literally magic beings as Anodite are spirits made of mana and use magic/mana in their power, as for the Charm of Bezel, they are magical tools that have magic abilities.
False advertising, they are from the planet Anodyne and thus still alien life forms. Regardless the relationship between them and charmcaster is null.
 
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Did mama increase their training or smth? Did another character develop magic abilities, combat and Iq like Gwem did, it took years for her and even Charmcaster said it took years for her to develop magic. Disagree.
Alien X:
As far as I know, Belecus/Serena/Ben exist as a contiousness. Mind in NIP refers to contiousness rather than a brain.
  • Regeneration Negation (up to Low-Godly): Superior to Annihilarrgh and Chrono Navigator, which can destroy all of existence includes Anodite. (This should also be added for Annihilarrgh, Paradox and Chrono Navigator)
X and Celestialsapiens can erase all of existence on their own. Regeneration Negation (Low-Godly) is fine. Anything lower can simply be beaten by EE on a multiversal/transtemporal range, both of with X has.
Im not sure abouy that part. Its like trying to give Soul Destruction to people who destroy afterlives, so I'll be neutral on that part. I seemingly agree with the resability.
This makes sense and Anodite's are spirits, right? Soul destruction also counters Low Godly regen for those who rely on the existence of their souls but characters can regen from other means like their contiousness, other characters or items, etc.
Charmcaster (Alpha Rune)
Charmcaster should get all of Anodite's abilities, Charm of Bezel's abilities and boosts in all of her abilities thanks to the Alpha Rune which gives you all of the mana/magic power in universe:
  • Enhanced Probability Manipulation: Has power of charm of luck, which can increase her probability to win or can create favourable conditions
  • Greater Enhanced Statistics Amplification: Has power of keystone of bezel and all abilities of mana, which can enhance the power x10.
  • Greatly Enhanced Fire Manipulation: Has power of charm of fire and all abilities of mana, which can enhance manipulate fire.
  • Enhanced Anodite Powers: Has all abilities of Anodite.
  • Regeneration (Mid, up to Low-Godly), Healing & Resurrection: Has power of Charm of Reincarnation, which can returns its host to life or makes them recover from physical wounds and injuries, and regain consciousness if the user is unconscious. Has power of anodites.
  • Greatly Enhanced Electricity Manipulation: Has power of Charm of Electricity and all powers of mana, which create, generate, control, and manipulate all forms of electrical energy at will.
  • True Flight & Greatly Enhanced Telekinesis: Has power of Charm of Telekinesis, which has a ability to fly through the air at incredible speeds and also have great telekinetic control and manipulation over multiple objects or people all at once.
  • Greatly Enhanced Reality Warping: Has power of anodites and all charm of bezel, which can alter reality. Has the Alpha Rune, which grants him absolute control over Legerdomain.
  • Abstract Existence: Type 1 - Alpha Rune is source and embodiment of mana, he has control over mana/magic itself, without him, Legerdomain would be destroy.
Disagree with regeneration. Just because characterA has the abilities of characterB doesn't mean they have their physiology. Charmy was even envious regarding Gwen being made of mama. Where does the Mid regen arg come from?

Agree with everything else.
 
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I watched all the videos?
Have you seen any of Mana Field or Mana Shield affected by explosion, ice, fire, magma and acid.
I would not call being sent flying and being out of it enough to be grabbed "unaffected."
sent flying does not mean that she was affected, she was only pushed and not affected. If she fainted or died, this means that she was affected, but nothing happened that is mentioned here.
Irrelevant.
I didn't understand exactly what you want to make it clear to you.
False advertising, they are from the planet Anodyne and thus still alien life forms. Regardless the relationship between them and charmcaster is null.
What "False advertising" here? Just because they are from the planet "Anodyne" does not mean they are aliens. Verdona described to us that Anodites are spirits made of mana. They are also not aliens since the Omnitrix itself cannot copy their DNA, as Anodite lack a DNA unlike aliens. Literally stated Alpha Rune controls all mana and includes the power of anodite.
 
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Did mama increase their training or smth? Did another character develop magic abilities, combat and Iq like Gwem did, it took years for her and even Charmcaster said it took years for her to develop magic. Disagree.
WOG explaining that they can literally train to use mana which gives them magical abilities and increases their power as we see (Mana has UES) and increases their understanding of mana/life-energy.
As far as I know, Belecus/Serena/Ben exist as a contiousness. Mind in NIP refers to contiousness rather than a brain.
Serena and Bellicus are contiousness yes but they are literally considered abstract beings/non-existent and for that reason they get Nonexistent Physiology; Nature Type 1 (Serena and Bellicus due to abstract beings/non-existent) ; Aspect Type 3 (Alien X his mind is abstract beings/non-existent)
Disagree with regeneration. Just because characterA has the abilities of characterB doesn't mean they have their physiology.
Fiar
Where does the Mid regen arg come from?
Due to abilities of Reincarnation, which can recover from physical wounds and injuries.
 
REX9097 said:

Regeneration Negation (up to Low-Godly), Soul Destruction: It can destroy entire existences, including Anodites, who are spirits made of mana. (This should also be applied to Annihilarrgh, Paradox, and the Chrono Navigator, since it can destroy the entire universe, including Anodites.)

A viable alternative to include Regeneration Negation (Low-Godly) would be to add the following:

'''Possibly [[Regeneration Negation]]''' ([[Low-Divine level]]): [[Ghostfreak]] is a ghost in a way, so erasing him would grant this level. Additionally, it could erase the Ledgerdomain, from where all the Mana in the universe flows, and Mana is essentially life energy and the soul. Moreover, it has been confirmed by MOA that decisive Celestialsapiens can indeed harm non-decisive Celestialsapiens.
 
[[Ghostfreak]] is a ghost in a way, so erasing him would grant this level.
Ghostfreak has Regeneration (High), and even is not really ghost
Additionally, it could erase the Ledgerdomain, from where all the Mana in the universe flows, and Mana is essentially life energy and the soul. Moreover, it has been confirmed by MOA that decisive Celestialsapiens can indeed harm non-decisive Celestialsapiens.
His ee bypasses mid godly regen, that's not negating
 
jgms2008 said:
Additionally, it could erase the Ledgerdomain, from where all the Mana in the universe flows, and Mana is essentially life energy and the soul. Moreover, it has been confirmed by MOA that decisive Celestialsapiens can indeed harm non-decisive Celestialsapiens.
Its EE ignores mid-divine regeneration, that’s not negation.


Yes, but wouldn't the part about decisive Celestialsapiens being able to harm non-decisive Celestialsapiens count for something, since Alien X has Low-Godly Regeneration?
No that's not how regeneration works, You can still get harmed by a character even if you have regeneration, regeneration is regenerating your body,particles etc... After they being destroyed or badly injured
 
Ben_10_Stick_Nodes:

(No, that's not how regeneration works. You can still get harmed by a character even if you have regeneration. Regeneration is regenerating your body, particles, etc., after they have been destroyed or badly injured.)

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Ahh, got it now. Sorry if I said something wrong.
 
(To be honest, I agree with almost everything in this post except this:

(Abstract Existence: Type 1 - Alpha Rune is the source and embodiment of mana. He has control over mana/magic itself; without him, Ledgerdomain would be destroyed.)

As far as I remember, Abstract Existence Type 1 is defined as existing purely as an abstraction. These characters do not have a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to directly affect the abstraction itself, because any physical manifestations are merely avatars. It's clear that the Alpha Rune is a physical object that can be used/affected and grabbed. Also, the Alpha Rune should have Resurrection since the Alpha Rune resurrected Lord Transly.
 
(To be honest, I agree with almost everything in this post except this:

As far as I remember, Abstract Existence Type 1 is defined as existing purely as an abstraction. These characters do not have a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to directly affect the abstraction itself, because any physical manifestations are merely avatars. It's clear that the Alpha Rune is a physical object that can be used/affected and grabbed. Also, the Alpha Rune should have Resurrection since the Alpha Rune resurrected Lord TrTransly
Honestly, Type 2 makes more sense but with the condition of it being the source of the abstraction rather than relying on the existence of an abstraction.
 
(To be honest, I agree with almost everything in this post except this:



As far as I remember, Abstract Existence Type 1 is defined as existing purely as an abstraction. These characters do not have a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to directly affect the abstraction itself, because any physical manifestations are merely avatars. It's clear that the Alpha Rune is a physical object that can be used/affected and grabbed. Also, the Alpha Rune should have Resurrection since the Alpha Rune resurrected Lord Transly.
Oh, I put Type 1 instead of Type 2. What is being pointed out here is that if the Alpha Rune disappears, the Ledgerdomain is destroyed, and this is why they need each other, when the Alpha Rune disappears, the Legerdomain disappears, and the same thing with the universe, when the universe changes, the nature of mana (which is the Alpha Rune) changes.
 
REX9097 said:

I put Type 1 instead of Type 2. What is being pointed out here is that if the Alpha Rune disappears, Ledgerdomain is destroyed, and that's why they need each other. When the Alpha Rune disappears, Ledgerdomain disappears, and the same thing happens with the universe; when the universe changes, the nature of mana (which is the Alpha Rune) changes.

Response: Hmm, that makes sense, but still, Abstract Existence Type 2 seems to fit better than Type 1.
 
Question:Why hasn't anyone created a profile for the Alpha Rune, like there are profiles for the Omnitrix, Annihilarrgh, Chronosapien Time Bomb, etc., but not for the Alpha Rune?
 
I'm largely of the same opinion as Infinitenet.
 
I watched all the videos?

I would not call being sent flying and being out of it enough to be grabbed "unaffected."

I missed part of the video, but sure.

Seen it already.

Irrelevant.

False advertising, they are from the planet Anodyne and thus still alien life forms. Regardless the relationship between them and charmcaster is null.
?
 
I watched all the videos?

I would not call being sent flying and being out of it enough to be grabbed "unaffected."

I missed part of the video, but sure.

Seen it already.

Irrelevant.

False advertising, they are from the planet Anodyne and thus still alien life forms. Regardless the relationship between them and charmcaster is null.
Will you continue the discussion?
Have you seen any of Mana Field or Mana Shield affected by explosion, ice, fire, magma and acid.

sent flying does not mean that she was affected, she was only pushed and not affected. If she fainted or died, this means that she was affected, but nothing happened that is mentioned here.

I didn't understand exactly what you want to make it clear to you.

What "False advertising" here? Just because they are from the planet "Anodyne" does not mean they are aliens. Verdona described to us that Anodites are spirits made of mana. They are also not aliens since the Omnitrix itself cannot copy their DNA, as Anodite lack a DNA unlike aliens. Literally stated Alpha Rune controls all mana and includes the power of anodite.
 
Disagree with the whole AE thing, is Mana even something abstract for you to get AE1 or AE2???
 
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