Infinite (Sonic) sun feat potential calc and speculation

[Mephistus]

So, gonna wall o text a bit about Infinite's feat at the end of Sonic Forces. Its currently accepted that the sun he created was a mini-one on the deviant art calc here:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Numbersguy/Infinite_makes_light

which sounds like nonesense since if we take Eggboi at his word on stuff, the phantom ruby can make copies of existing things and that at the speed it falls at/moves at when its created would be sub-rel to relativistic going by the small distance it falls after its created here in this gif I made you can see the distance it moves downward at presuming its Sol sized:

https://youtu.be/mE-p58myf8Y?t=1603

https://makeagif.com/gif/my-boy-sen...rces-gameplay-playthrough-05-numbnexus-YccKHO

For what its worth, the object in question is refered to as "The Sun" by tons of guys. The thing should be the real dealio equivalent as far as I'm aware with the current arguement against it being a limited overhead visual with the sun's curvature.

The kinetic energy behind it would be multiple large planet levels of busting or higher if we supposed its real life size and scaled the distance it moved downward to get a speed via scaling off its curvature/diameter size.

Rather than bothering to scale the velocity of the sun in the first place and have the consensus that its not sun sized. I figure I'll ask the opinion of the peanut gallery peeps here that can tell if what I'm claiming is bs or not if we can agree upon this interpretation.. XD If not, at least I didn't waste time doing a calc that doesnt mean too much in the long run for sonic's top tiers which are already continental busters by statements.

Also, somehow their planet was supposed to stay intact after this attack fried the surface, so area of effect wise might be that this "attack" glances off the planet at any rate due to Infinite controlling it to hit that way or something lol. The full kinetic energy of the object should apply to the ruby's max output if we do assume its actually celestial sized though, since its a higher mass object and its stated to be falling toward their planet from space and not their planet falling toward the Sun due to gravity, the Sun was probs getting moved artificially afaict.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

From what I know, the sun is what was going to reduce the planet to "nothing but ashes" so Eggman could build his Eggman Empire over it.

 

[ShakeResounding]

What Shadow said. It seems like it would've been a controlled sort of output so Eggman wouldn't die lol

I'm unsure on the other stuff. Maybe ask some calc group members?

 

[Mephistus]

Well mainly want to get a consensus if we can assume the sun is akin to the literal real one size wise. Context wise infinite makes copies of pre-exisitng things that according to Shadow, have the same mass.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

The reason Eggman wouldn't die from it is because Infinite has the ability to select what targets he wants to affect with his powers. That's the whole shtick behind the Phantom Ruby, what appears to be an illusion becomes reality for anyone subject to its power. Infinite didn't want to kill Eggman since he works for him, which is why Eggman made no attempt to get away from it as he'd be unaffected by it.

 

[Mephistus]

Well that helps, so essentially we can handwave why the planet stays partially intact assuming the sun crashin is RL size.

Nevermind temperature issues messing with stuff only Infinite wants it to since the RL sun being that close would turn most any being alive into cinder like on Mercury.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Well mainly want to get a consensus if we can assume the sun is akin to the literal real one size wise. Context wise infinite makes copies of pre-exisitng things that according to Shadow, have the same mass.

The problem with this is that if it was a mini-sun but had the mass of the real one, it would be physically impossible and thus become a black hole as it would be way smaller than the Schwarzschild radius for an object with the sun's mass.

 

[Mephistus]

and yeah that's why it "should" be equivalent in size to the real one if it has the same mass and not mini. The deviant art calc reasoned that if it was mini, it would have proportional sun density. Visually I think it conforms as best as possible with the way its in the sky being an overhead shot ala past the clouds/atmosphere and it being in space before impact/fly by. But that's just my opinion if we take it as being an equivalent copy.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Nah, it's definitely a mini-sun. You see the curvature while it's just above a skyscraper. If it was a real sun, you wouldn't see any curve as the sun's diameter is over 100x greater than Earth's.

 

[Mephistus]

https://youtu.be/mE-p58myf8Y?t=1925

Like at this timestamp the curvature is absolutely forked and almost flat for the sun. XD

You're prolly right, there's also to have to that sort of visual shot it would need to be far away in deep space were it RL sized, the player character is still reasonably within the atmosphere when he makes contact with the sun here (red dot being him): https://youtu.be/mE-p58myf8Y?t=1936

Can't fit a sun-sized object within our atmosphere lol.

Main thing I guess I was trying to point out too either way even if it was a mini sun or not, we can scale the visual movement we see on screen and taking that over the velocity it would have whilst acceleration during its fall due to gravity from its height above the tower as a low end. Pixel scaling is tedious tho.

The original calc just goes off GPE.

It taking forever to fall from that height of only a few kilometers in the sky if it is a mini sun is a serious cinematic time sin with all the dialogue going on during that.

The expansion of the sun could also be calculated via kinetic energy, assuming it was mini, it wouldn't be FTL kinetic energy. the sun expanded in like a second, crossing the radius of our sun at that speed is like 2.3 times faster than light. Using the mini suns' radius its like 1.5 times sound speed for the expansion of the mass outwards, the kinetic energy is ~1.67943E+17 joules in that case so lol not very impressive.

Also there is sort of the implication at least in the english version by Eggbois words that the sun was gonna go "boom" and explode apart when it struck the planet so that might be another possible thing to calc.

 

[ShakeResounding]

@Mephistus Do you think the results would even be noteworthy? Not trying to say it wouldn't because I have no idea how to calc, I'm just curious.

 

[Spinoirr]

Well then

 

[BlastX]

From what I heard from someone who evaluates calcs (executor I think they where called) it won't give any meaningful results

 

[Mephistus]

@ShakeResounding

just town-city busting level if we take it as a mini sun which isnt really worth the time put into it to calc and rather just slap the 6-A rating on it since its supposed to surface wipe. If we take it as a real sun then things get interesting.

this dudeo got it around city busting for heating the smol object to sun surface temperature:

https://vsdebating.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mr._Bambu/Sonic_Calc:_Infinite_Creates_a_Su

GPE of it dropping and hitting the ground (which is sort of indirect if we scale it to Infinite's AP) was town busting.