Infinite-sized DC Comics universes

[Antvasima]

I don't even know what's going on anymore.

See here please:

https://vsbattles.com/threads/dc-versus-vsbw-dawn-of-infinite-justice.137199/post-4823612

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[Transcending]

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I personally think it's fine to apply for Post-Crisis.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the reply.

 

[KLOL506]

I have no clue what even is going on here anymore.

I'm pulling out of the race.

As I have reiterated before, I have no wish to engage with this thread anymore.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, I lost track and not sure what's going on. I remember a proposal for DC universe being infinite, but made sure to make some feats outliers.

 

[LuciferDC099]

I agree with post-cisis universes being infinite, but we need some more evidence about post-flashpoint universes. In Green Lantern vol 5 universe was depicted as finite but it was contradicted in Snyder's JLA run where it was stated that universe is infinite.

Regarding scalings, i think we should create a seperate CRT for it.

 

[Firestorm808]

What do we have from Snyder JLA run for New 52?

 

[Confluctor]

Snyder never did JLA tho. JLA in new 52 was done by Hitch and Johns

 

[LuciferDC099]

Sorry i meant JL (2018). In JL (2018) annual 1 it was stated that universe is infinite and it's expanding.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you to everybody who are helping out here.

 

[Transcending]

I found another scan for DC universes being infinite(think it's Post-Flashpoint):

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

So should we apply this change then? We need some good plans regarding how this will affect different characters though.

 

[Firestorm808]

I found another scan for DC universes being infinite(think it's Post-Flashpoint):

The image comes from https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/DC_Adventures_Universe

However, the writers of this book have never written any comics at all.

Also, do we consider this scan as support for infinite space?

 

[Transcending]

The image comes from https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/DC_Adventures_Universe

However, the writers of this book have never written any comics at all.

But it's still an official guide.

 

[Firestorm808]

But it's still an official guide.

Per site rules, guides are only supplementary to the source material.

 

[Transcending]

Per site rules, guides are only supplementary to the source material.

But I am not trying to use the scan as the main evidence, I am just trying to use it to support JL 2018's scan.

 

[Antvasima]

Per site rules, guides are only supplementary to the source material.

This is correct, yes. Thank you for helping out.

 

[Firestorm808]

Wait a minute. It's not even a comic guide. It's for an RPG. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Adventures

Also, "Green Ronin ran into a major problem when, shortly after the release of DC Adventures, DC Comics suddenly rebooted their entire comic book universe with The New 52, instantly making the material in DC Adventures obsolete." [Shannon Appelcline (2014). Designers & Dragons: The '00s. Evil Hat Productions.]

 

[Firestorm808]

But I am not trying to use the scan as the main evidence, I am just trying to use it to support JL 2018's scan.

From my previous post, it's actually not even a comic guide.

Even if we were to count it, it was written for Post-Crisis, as shown by the table of contents.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the information. I do not think that it can be used then.

 

[Transcending]

Even if we were to count it, it was written for Post-Crisis, as shown by the table of contents.

I am fine with it being counted for Post-Crisis, as I said in my original post:

I found another scan for DC universes being infinite(think it's Post-Flashpoint):

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody remind us about what we currently need to do here please?

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Can somebody remind us about what we currently need to do here please?

I believe what is left was compiling all the statements for Post-Crisis Universe being infinite for a finalized list and deciding if Rebirth Universes are infinite.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Help with that would obviously be appreciated then.

 

[Confluctor]

I thought Post Crisis was fine? Just looking for post flashpoint?

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

I thought Post Crisis was fine? Just looking for post flashpoint?

PC was accepted, I just don't think a comprehensive list was made for every statement.

Also could someone post the evidence for the Rebirth Universe being infinite? I know there's the teacher statement and JL annual statement, but is that it?

 

[Confluctor]

Haven't found any others yet, but don't have a lot of time to actively search for them

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Okay so from what I got:

Pre-Crisis:

• Infinite Vastness - DC Comics Presents #28
• Darkness of space is infinite and eternal - Tales of the Green Lantern Corps #1
• Narrator says endless/limitless space - Superman #397
• Superman later says there's infinite space - Superman #397
• Infinite Cosmos - Superman #91
• Infinite Universe - Justice League of America #80
• Limitless cosmos and time - Arion Lord of Atlantis #1

Post-Crisis:

• Cyborg Supes calls it an Infinite Void - Superman #78
• Orion states it's Infinite - The New Gods #18
• Kal's parents call it endless - Superman: The Last God of Krypton
• A GL who became one with the universe and calls it infinite - The Green Lantern Corps #219
• Trigon calls it endless - The New Teen Titans Vol 2 #5
• Hfuhruhurr - someone who traveled the vast cosmos -The Adventures of Superman Vol 1 #452
• The Tribunal states Infinite Cosmos and Time - Superman #106
• Lar Grand states infinite space despite finite life - New Gods #30
• Libra states infinite space - Final Crisis: Secret Files #1
• The big bang being infinite - Action Comics #782
• Infinite Wonder - Superman #65

(Authors, dates, etc. for most of the statements can be found here)

Rebirth:

• Narrator - Justice League (2018) Annual #1
• A Teacher - Sideways #1

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out, Ehnkr.

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

So, how is everyone feeling about Infinite Sized Pre-Crisis and Rebirth Universes? Imo, Pre-Crisis definitely has enough evidence, but Rebirth is a bit underwhelming. There's still a few scans though, so I'm open to Infinite sized Rebirth Universes if others agree.

Also, how do we plan on implementing infinite Universes in justifications? Will we link to every scan individually, or should be link to a blog with all the statements in it?

 

[LordTracer]

or should be link to a blog with all the statements in it?

I think this would be the better option.

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Will start working on a blog then. Should I hyperlink all the scans in a bullet-point list, or should I insert the images like POTM's DC Cosmology blog, for example)?
Edit: Made

 

[LordTracer]

Edit: Made

Looks good

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Looks great imo.

What else is left to do?

 

[NHTkenshin2]

So um, what will happen to the scaling now

 

[LordTracer]

So um, what will happen to the scaling now

Re-read the OP, it explains it.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Re-read the OP, it explains it.

I have already, i am saying what are we going to do with that scaling, this pretty much upgrades most to infinite speed which should have problems

 

[LordTracer]

I have already, i am saying what are we going to do with that scaling, this pretty much upgrades most to infinite speed which should have problems

Edit; since some people are having issues with this, let me clarify for the last time; NO, it DOESN'T mean heralds get infinite speed or high 3A AP. Unless they have consistent feats or statements that are meant to be on this level and doesn't cause scaling issues.