Infinite-sized DC Comics universes

[Antvasima]

I am afraid that I am currently not sure what we should do here.

However, infinite speed seems like a too high value to assign to most of the DC Comics superheroes.

Couldn't the part of the universe that contains physical matter be finite, whereas the whole totality empty space is infinite?

 

[Confluctor]

However, infinite speed seems like a too high value to assign to most of the DC Comics superheroes.

Nobody is slapping high 3a and infinite speed on heralds. They aren't the centre of every revision.

Again, as I clearly pointed out in my original post, only those with sufficient feats can get this. Heck, most of the lanterns won't have infinite speed either.

Because their universe crossing usually means 3600 sectors only.

Not that I am arguing for it, but ultimately, what is the issue with lanterns having infinite speed at peak? People like Hal has 2c to 2a ap at peak, same with Dura, wahts so unbelievably unrealistic about him having mftl and infinite speed at peak?

Couldn't the part of the universe that contains physical matter be finite, whereas the whole totality empty space is infinite?

If you can prove it, sure. But the problem is, there isn't.

In any case, whatever happens, the 3600 and a bit more can be at least 200 trillion in size, so lanterns would usually scale to this in terms of speed. But the universe itself is infinite.

 

[Confluctor]

In short, only those heralds who have shown legitimate feats could scale. But mostly, it's for non-heralds. Cause honestly **** the heralds. Sick of seeing them be the centre of everything

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Its weird how Antvasima only disagrees with stuff so heralds can't get upgraded lmao

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is probably fine then.

Its weird how Antvasima only disagrees with stuff so heralds can't get upgraded lmao

I am just trying to keep the scaling somewhat realistic in relation to their reasonably consistently displayed scales of power.

 

[Transcending]

This thread cannot die- bump

 

[Antvasima]

So what are the conclusions here so far?

 

[Firestorm808]

We're still in the information collection stage. At this point in time, we know New 52 Green Lantern stories use a finite universe with their feats.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for helping out.

 

[Hellbeast]

We're still in the information collection stage. At this point in time, we know New 52 Green Lantern stories use a finite universe with their feats.

Hmm so the New 52 universe is finite?

 

[Transcending]

Bump

 

[Confluctor]

Leaving aside N 52 for now, we agree that post crisis is infinite, right?

 

[Firestorm808]

We are still collecting info for post crisis.

 

[Confluctor]

Regarding what exactly?

 

[NHTkenshin2]

I am pretty sure we have everything here

 

[Transcending]

I think PC universes are pretty explicitly and consistently infinite.

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody write a tally for which members that think what here please?

 

[Transcending]

Can somebody write a tally for which members that think what here please?

Agree with universes being infinite- @Transcending, @Hellbeast, @XXKINGXX69, @Ehnkr2beboh, @CowHeadGod, @LuciferDC099, @Stefano4444, @Hasty12345, @Antvasima, @Maverick_Zero_X

Disagree-

 

[Firestorm808]

Agree with universes being infinite- @Transcending, @Hellbeast, @XXKINGXX69, @Ehnkr2beboh, @CowHeadGod, @LuciferDC099, @Stefano4444, @Hasty12345, @Antvasima

Disagree- @Eficiente, @Firestorm808, @Maverick_Zero_X

I actually haven't given my opinion regarding post crisis yet.

 

[KLOL506]

I have no clue what even is going on here anymore.

I'm pulling out of the race.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Agree with universes being infinite- @Transcending, @Hellbeast, @XXKINGXX69, @Ehnkr2beboh, @CowHeadGod, @LuciferDC099, @Stefano4444, @Hasty12345, @Antvasima

Disagree- @Eficiente, @Firestorm808, @Maverick_Zero_X

Actually I agree with infinite universes.

 

[Eficiente]

Leaving aside N 52 for now, we agree that post crisis is infinite, right?

Regarding what exactly?

If it's random info that can come up, give it time, it's comics and this is big.

 

[Hellbeast]

I think PC universes are pretty explicitly and consistently infinite.

I can agree with that as well

 

[Transcending]

Agree with universes being infinite- @Transcending, @Hellbeast, @XXKINGXX69, @Ehnkr2beboh, @CowHeadGod, @LuciferDC099, @Stefano4444, @Hasty12345, @Antvasima, @Maverick_Zero_X

Disagree- @Eficiente

Updated the list!

 

[Eficiente]

I also don't give solid opinions yet until we have all the context, in this case whatever amount we deem good enough.

 

[Firestorm808]

Here's the current list of Post-Crisis (1986 - 2011) Infinite Universe size statements

• Green Lantern Corps Vol 1 #219, December 1987 | Steve Englehart
  • "The universe really is infinite."
• Superman Vol 2 #28, February 1989 | Roger Stern
  • "Limitless void"
• Adventures of Superman Vol 1 #452, March 1989 | Dan Jurgens
  • "The secrets to our infinite universe."
• New Gods Vol 3 #18, July 1990 | Mark Evanier, Paris Cullins
  • "The universe is infinite, Scott Free."
• New Gods Vol 3 #19, August 1990 | Mark Evanier
  • "Space is infinite."
• Superman Vol 2 #65, March 1992 | Dan Jurgens
  • "The universe is an unimaginably vast reach of infinite wonder."
• Superman Vol 2 #78, June 1993 | Dan Jurgens
  • "Buried in the infinite void."
• Superman: The Last God of Krypton, 1999 | Walt Simonson
  • "Endless reaches of the universe"
  • "Endless void"
• Final Crisis: Secret Files Vol 1 #1, February 2009 | Len Wein
  • "Infinite vastness of space."

Let me know if you found more to be added.

 

[LuciferDC099]

Here's the current list of Post-Crisis (1986 - 2011) Infinite Universe size statements

• Green Lantern Corps Vol 1 #219, December 1987 | Steve Englehart
  • "The universe really is infinite."
• Adventures of Superman Vol 1 #452, March 1989 | Dan Jurgens
  • "The secrets to our infinite universe."
• New Gods Vol 3 #18, July 1990 | Mark Evanier, Paris Cullins
  • "The universe is infinite, Scott Free."
• New Gods Vol 3 #19, August 1990 | Mark Evanier
  • "Space is infinite."
• Superman Vol 2 #78, June 1993 | Dan Jurgens
  • "Buried in the infinite void."
• Superman: The Last God of Krypton, 1999 | Walt Simonson
  • "Endless reaches of the universe"
  • "Endless void"
• Final Crisis: Secret Files Vol 1 #1, February 2009 | Len Wein
  • "Infinite vastness of space."

Let me know if you found more to be added.

I think it's enough to prove that post-crisis universes are infinite. What do you think?

 

[Firestorm808]

I think it's enough to prove that post-crisis universes are infinite. What do you think?

I would like to know if we have anything from Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, or Mark Waid if possible.

 

[LuciferDC099]

I would like to know if we have anything from Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, or Mark Waid if possible.

Final Crisis: Secret Files isn't written by Morrison but it's connected to his Final Crisis story. I'll try to find something from Geoff and Mark.

 

[Antvasima]

Agree with universes being infinite- @Transcending, @Hellbeast, @XXKINGXX69, @Ehnkr2beboh, @CowHeadGod, @LuciferDC099, @Stefano4444, @Hasty12345, @Antvasima, @Maverick_Zero_X

Disagree-

Here's the current list of Post-Crisis (1986 - 2011) Infinite Universe size statements

• Green Lantern Corps Vol 1 #219, December 1987 | Steve Englehart
  • "The universe really is infinite."
• Adventures of Superman Vol 1 #452, March 1989 | Dan Jurgens
  • "The secrets to our infinite universe."
• New Gods Vol 3 #18, July 1990 | Mark Evanier, Paris Cullins
  • "The universe is infinite, Scott Free."
• New Gods Vol 3 #19, August 1990 | Mark Evanier
  • "Space is infinite."
• Superman Vol 2 #65, March 1992 | Dan Jurgens
  • "The universe is an unimaginably vast reach of infinite wonder."
• Superman Vol 2 #78, June 1993 | Dan Jurgens
  • "Buried in the infinite void."
• Superman: The Last God of Krypton, 1999 | Walt Simonson
  • "Endless reaches of the universe"
  • "Endless void"
• Final Crisis: Secret Files Vol 1 #1, February 2009 | Len Wein
  • "Infinite vastness of space."

Let me know if you found more to be added.

Thank you for helping out. That seems sufficiently conclusive to me at least.

Should we wait a bit for further input before starting to apply this revision, and does anybody have any planned schematics for how we should modify our character profile page statistics afterwards?

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Should we outright make everyone infinite speed?
or make a “Massively FTL+, possibly Infinite" rating?

 

[Transcending]

Should we outright make everyone infinite speed?
or make a “Massively FTL+, possibly Infinite" rating?

Possibly.

 

[Confluctor]

Should we outright make everyone infinite speed?
or make a “Massively FTL+, possibly Infinite" rating?

NO!

Seriously, that's too big of a topic to be even remotely discussed here. Also rear OP

 

[NHTkenshin2]

ok

 

[Antvasima]

So do you have a plan of approach here, Confluctor, and what help do you need from other knowledgeable members?

 

[Confluctor]

Plan of approach for what will happen after infinite sized uni gets accepted?

The basic plan for that is already in the OP. Certain feats, especially of heralds, will need to be evaluated individually - case by case stuff.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I thought that infinite-sized universes had already been accepted going by the responses that I received above, or should we wait for further input?

 

[Confluctor]

I don't even know what's going on anymore.

 

[Antvasima]

See here please:

https://vsbattles.com/threads/dc-versus-vsbw-dawn-of-infinite-justice.137199/post-4823612

 

[CowHeadGod]

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