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Universes are parallel in DC. Post Flashpoint isn't a different canon, its just history being altered. So the post crisis one would still apply
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Infinite-sized DC Comics universes
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Justice League Annual 1 (2018) is Post-Flashpoint.
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I am iffy with using that scan, mainly because the same issue said the universe had a finite border.
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A border of an infinite universe doesn't have to be infinite
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It's talking about source wall, which is not a normal wall/end/edge
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. Then I have no problem.
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IIRC you can reach the Source Wall via travel or teleportation in 3-D Space.
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I'm only talking about the Source Wall in its form in 3-D Space. IIRC, it can be reached by standard travel.
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There are a few instances which is m remembering, one being Superman using boom tube. The other is Supergirl and Superboy trapping prime - I will recheck if they used a device. And another is Hal meeting the giant dude there post krona gauntlet. And I think he reached there off panel, so hard to say if he did it normally or reached it via a special ability. Kyle going there is a different story as white lantern, he was operating a higher level compared to normal people and whatnot.
Anything else I missed?
Anything else I missed?
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Do we have other statements besides the 5 from Prince's original blog? If so, can you link them so I can try to source them?
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At the moment, these are Post-Flashpoint Sources.
- Green Lantern Annual Vol 5 #2, December 2013 | Lights Out Event
- The Guardians, Relic, and Kyle travel to the source wall.
- Referred to as the border of the universe.
- According to the Guardians, the Source Wall encircles the universe in every direction. It was the same in the previous version of the Universe according to Relic.
- Green Lantern Vol 5 #35, December 2014 | Godhead Event
- There are space coordinates for the Source Wall according to Kilowog. The sample place the incident with Relic and Kyle took place. The Green Lanterns then fly there.
- Green Lantern Vol 5 #37, February 2015 | Godhead Event
- Hal and Black hand fly from Earth to the Source Wall Space Coordinates where they were supposed to meet with Sinestro and Boom Tube to New Genesis.
- Green Lantern Vol 5 #43, October 2015
- Hal and his ship fly to "the farthest reaches of existence," the Source Wall to talk to Relic.
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Nice infinite speed feats
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Not really, since these are based on finite coordinates in space.
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Where does it say finite coordinates
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As I just stated, the Wall is depicted as the finite 3-D end of the universe in the given GL series. It's not an infinite distance to get there.
Also, you can't use infinity to practically determine a location on a 3-D Axis.
Also, you can't use infinity to practically determine a location on a 3-D Axis.
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could you elaborate?
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The idea of a universe with infinite 3-D space in all directions is not compatible with the idea of the Source Wall being the border of the universe, encircling the universe's 3-D space in every direction and preventing continued movement.
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That sounds entirely possible, it would just mean the source wall is infinite too
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What do you mean by that?
It's either you keep traveling empty 3-D space for all time never getting stopped by a barrier or something to support infinite 3-D space, or you travel far enough that you get stopped by the wall. You can't have both.
Many beings have traveled to and got trapped in the Source Wall.
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I already explained why infinity can have an end, so its possible for it to be infinite but surrounded by an end or a barrier
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Can you please reiterate your explanation? You haven't really answered how you can travel an infinite 3-D distance and still be stopped by a 3-D Wall.
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Ok, there's an infinite number of numbers from 1.0 to 2.0, and they have an end (2.0)
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I am well aware of the idea of sets of infinities, but that doesn't really apply to this case since the wall in question exists in the same 3-D units of space travel and not an infinite dimension of space higher.
Recall the episode of Futurama with a universe in a box. If you are in the infinite 3-D Universe inside the box, you will never reach the borders of the box when traveling in that universe. To see the box, you need to leave the 3-D space of the universe and enter the 4-D space where the box exists. This is not the case with the Source Wall.
Recall the episode of Futurama with a universe in a box. If you are in the infinite 3-D Universe inside the box, you will never reach the borders of the box when traveling in that universe. To see the box, you need to leave the 3-D space of the universe and enter the 4-D space where the box exists. This is not the case with the Source Wall.
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It doesn't need to be a higher dimension, its possible to have a greater infinity which is still 3D. In fact, this has been mentioned in DC before
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You are aware that the comic is talking about the general infinite energy of the big bang. The comic even explains the universe's space expansion in finite amounts using light-years.
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I used that to prove there can be 2 infinites in DC. Not that I even needed to, because thats real world logic.
It says it expanded that much at the beginning, which has nothing to do with the whole universe being finite in size now
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I don't remember atm but will try to find them.
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But it's inconsistent. Source Walls consistently depicted as higher-dimensional walls that cover entire spacetime continuums not just 3-D space.
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no its just a wall that covers the universe
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Universes are 4-D, and they're kept apart and stationary by Source Walls according to Countdown, so Source Walls should be 4-D too.
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As I mentioned earlier, it exists on multiple dimensions including universes.
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I'm talking about universal Source Walls that seperate universes in the Local Multiverse.
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Let's start over, and break it down piece by piece since we are still gathering information throughout DC Comic History.
Based on the sources I provided earlier, would you agree that Green Lantern Vol 5 treats the universal Source Wall as something anyone can encounter in 3-D space, preventing them from traveling any further in space?
I don't know about other comic series, but this is just what GL is doing during New 52.
Let's start over, and break it down piece by piece since we are still gathering information throughout DC Comic History.
Based on the sources I provided earlier, would you agree that Green Lantern Vol 5 treats the universal Source Wall as something anyone can encounter in 3-D space, preventing them from traveling any further in space?
I don't know about other comic series, but this is just what GL is doing during New 52.
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Yes, i agree that in that comic Source Wall was depicted as a 3-D construct that is located at the end of the universe.
In Countdown (Post-Crisis) a Monitor stated that each universe in the Local Multiverse exists on its own vibrational plane (which means that they're talking about spacetime continuums, not just about 3-D spaces), and they're kept seperate and stationary by a Source Wall that surrounds each of them.
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Kyle Rayner's scan doesn't contradict infinite space.
I will relook at the coordinates one later
I will relook at the coordinates one later
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Source Wall is actually beyond infinite.
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Pretty sure universal source wall. Real source wall looks different. This clearly has the Promethean Giants on it.
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I think the scan could help then. Having a border beyond infinity covering an infinite universe makes sense.
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