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Infinite and Endless

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Both Infinite and endless use each other in their definitions funnily.

But yeah I still feel endless should be by default same as infinite, but it should be taken with a grain of salt, instead of taking it as " large but finite" and then giving it benefit of the doubt
Yes but that's kind of the issue. If infinite shares all definitions of countless/endless/etc, and those would include "a very large degree", then each word SHOULD have the same definition. The problem is that it could easily be an exaggeration, and that includes infinite. So how would you prove a direct statement of destroying infinite universes or hierarchies if infinite could also just mean a really big finite number. Either you accept it all as infinite or you don't.
 
Yes but that's kind of the issue. If infinite shares all definitions of countless/endless/etc, and those would include "a very large degree", then each word SHOULD have the same definition. The problem is that it could easily be an exaggeration, and that includes infinite. So how would you prove a direct statement of destroying infinite universes or hierarchies if infinite could also just mean a really big finite number. Either you accept it all as infinite or you don't.
Infinite is assigned to some that is not finite, endless means something that is not finite. But yes the endless should be given more context.
 
Think of the entire hierarchy as the infinite Dimensional place. But within the hierarchy you can't find one
by your logic everything in the verse scale to high 1-B?even 3-D beings since they're part of hierarchy?
 
by your logic everything in the verse scale to high 1-B?even 3-D beings since they're part of hierarchy?
Don't strawman. He means that the totality of the hierarchy is High 1-B. It's just that no god scales since there's no "last number" for them to scale to.

And really, just reiterating "but this thread said so!" isn't an argument

Anyone who argues that there's an infinitieth dimension doesn't understand how the tier and basic mathematics work.
 
Don't strawman. He means that the totality of the hierarchy is High 1-B. It's just that no god scales since there's no "last number" for them to scale to.
The problem here is,the last dimension will be infinite-th higher dimensional place and such thing doesn’t exist at all that’s why no god scale to it
And really, just reiterating "but this thread said so!" isn't an argument
because this old thing was discussed countless times in the past,I can bring even more thread that talked about endless is different with infinite.Also that thread has many explanations so why I can’t use it?

If there is any official thread that accepted endless=infinite then I will not talk about this problem
 
So why we still have infinite dimensional being in this wiki?
They affect the totality of an infinite dimensional structure or infinite levelled hierarchy. Either by creating, destroying or embodying it. Sometimes they transcend infinite levels even.

If you find a character on the wiki at that tier via being of "the last dimension" then that would be news to me.
 
Yes but that's kind of the issue. If infinite shares all definitions of countless/endless/etc, and those would include "a very large degree", then each word SHOULD have the same definition. The problem is that it could easily be an exaggeration, and that includes infinite. So how would you prove a direct statement of destroying infinite universes or hierarchies if infinite could also just mean a really big finite number. Either you accept it all as infinite or you don't.
Maybe it has more to do with how we interpret language itself, both writer and reader.
Infinite ""sounds"" more sophisticated and mathematical compared to """"flowery"""" endless.
 
Infinite is explicit. Endless can be interpreted and used in multiple ways more easily. It's that simple.
 
They affect the totality of an infinite dimensional structure or infinite levelled hierarchy. Either by creating, destroying or embodying it. Sometimes they transcend infinite levels even.
I mean even if there is a god that can affect entire hierarchy it’s still 1B because endless was never accepted as infinite this site
Also the existence of infinite-th D /infinite dimensional place was accepted before(by multiple staffs in that thread too) but because I’m bad at explanation so I will not talk about it
 
I mean even if there is a god that can affect entire hierarchy it’s still 1B because endless was never accepted as infinite this site
Also the existence of infinite-th D place was accepted before(by multiple staffs in that thread too) but because I’m bad at explanation so I will not talk about it
If it goes on forever then it's infinite. I can't speak for the site's decision but that much I'm sure of.
 
I mean even if there is a god that can affect entire hierarchy it’s still 1B because endless was never accepted as infinite this site
Also the existence of infinite-th D /infinite dimensional place was accepted before(by multiple staffs in that thread too) but because I’m bad at explanation so I will not talk about it
The size of the Hierarchy is the reason why High 1-B and above are the only AP that can solos the verse. No 1-B can solo the verse except the character is Smurf.
 
Magi is a perfect example of the confusion we have between endless and infinite.
 
The size of the Hierarchy is the reason why High 1-B and above are the only AP that can solos the verse. No 1-B can solo the verse except the character is Smurf.
again,there is no quote that directly said the hierarchy is infinite in size,if you want to say endless=infinite then I can give you countless threads that rejected this idea(2-A kamen rider for example),I mean,you can't use something that's not accepted
 
again,there is no quote that directly said the hierarchy is infinite in size,if you want to say endless=infinite then I can give you countless threads that rejected this idea(2-A kamen rider for example),I mean,you can't use something that's not accepted
Let's discuss about this some other time. The entire hierarchy is accepted as infinite on this wiki. You can see on Magi gods profile in the justification. There is a scan from the manga that also mention infinite gods.
 
Actually it will be downgraded if someone makes a CRT
It wouldn't be downgraded. Every description point to the hierarchy of gods being infinite. Even the thread link you posted pretty much agree it was infinite. Let's take this discussion else where as it is becoming a Magi thread
 
It wouldn't be downgraded. Every description point to the hierarchy of gods being infinite. Even the thread link you posted pretty much agree it was infinite. Let's take this discussion else where as it is becoming a Magi thread
Pretty sure there is not any other statement said that it’s infinite instead of the scan above(the link I posted said it’s countless but for some reasons you read it as infinite?) but if you don’t want to talk more about it then fine,I will leave here
 
Pretty sure there is not any other statement said that it’s infinite instead of the scan above(the link I posted said it’s countless but for some reasons you read it as infinite?) but if you don’t want to talk more about it then fine,I will leave here
I don't know how to explain things to you. You can make a question and answer thread on the topic
 
Infinite is explicit. Endless can be interpreted and used in multiple ways more easily. It's that simple.
Infinite is just the mathematical term. It's still heavily prone to hyperbole. It would be like I said I have 5 million trash bags in the house, or then afterwards saying I have a lot of trash bags. It's the same thing, both are exaggerated, but one is just an actual number. You can still say something like "The sea is infinite" or "There's infinite grains in the sand" and it'll still just be hyperbole. Infinite and endless mean the exact same thing, both in real terms and in exaggeration. Infinite is the mathematical number, while endless describes what that number entails.
 
Infinite is just the mathematical term. It's still heavily prone to hyperbole. It would be like I said I have 5 million trash bags in the house, or then afterwards saying I have a lot of trash bags. It's the same thing, both are exaggerated, but one is just an actual number. You can still say something like "The sea is infinite" or "There's infinite grains in the sand" and it'll still just be hyperbole. Infinite and endless mean the exact same thing, both in real terms and in exaggeration. Infinite is the mathematical number, while endless describes what that number entails.
Obviously context is important but Infinite is more likely to be legitimate than Endless.
 
Obviously context is important but Infinite is more likely to be legitimate than Endless.
and why is that? Just because it's a number doesn't mean it's more likely to be legitimate, especially if they mean the exact same thing.
 
and why is that? Just because it's a number doesn't mean it's more likely to be legitimate, especially if they mean the exact same thing.
It's more explicit if from a reliable source than endless, that's it. I and general wiki consensus are more likely to take it seriously than a use of endless.
 
and why is that? Just because it's a number doesn't mean it's more likely to be legitimate, especially if they mean the exact same thing.
Like I said, the number line is "endless" but infinte isn't on the number line. This can create a big divide if you say his power is infinte to his power is endless replace power with energy depending on the context of the verse, and it could mean endless stamina or high 3-A
 
Infinite is just the mathematical term. It's still heavily prone to hyperbole. It would be like I said I have 5 million trash bags in the house, or then afterwards saying I have a lot of trash bags. It's the same thing, both are exaggerated, but one is just an actual number. You can still say something like "The sea is infinite" or "There's infinite grains in the sand" and it'll still just be hyperbole. Infinite and endless mean the exact same thing, both in real terms and in exaggeration. Infinite is the mathematical number, while endless describes what that number entails.
All examples you provided have nothing to do with sizes of cosmology, that's where it matters most, that's where its used more seriously.
All examples you used have least reason to be infinite.

Most of us can recognize where and which adjectives are genuine or hyperbolic.
 
All examples you provided have nothing to do with sizes of cosmology, that's where it matters most, that's where its used more seriously.
All examples you used have least reason to be infinite.

Most of us can recognize where and which adjectives are genuine or hyperbolic.
They do. The point is that me saying the universe or multiverse is infinite could be hyperbole, just like how you guys say endless universe/multiverse is hyperbole. You can't have one but ditch the other when it all means the same thing regardless.
Like I said, the number line is "endless" but infinte isn't on the number line. This can create a big divide if you say his power is infinte to his power is endless replace power with energy depending on the context of the verse, and it could mean endless stamina or high 3-A
The definition endless, is the same as what infinite means. You can replace "endless" with "infinite" at any point, and the definitions of both words in multiple sources prove my point. You can say the number line is "infinite". There is no real difference, and if there is with the number line then I'd love to see a source.
It's more explicit if from a reliable source than endless, that's it. I and general wiki consensus are more likely to take it seriously than a use of endless.
But that's not evidence at all. Popularity isn't an argument but i guess it doesn't matter anyway.
 
They do. The point is that me saying the universe or multiverse is infinite could be hyperbole, just like how you guys say endless universe/multiverse is hyperbole. You can't have one but ditch the other when it all means the same thing regardless.
My comment was strictly about how infinite is used in various contexts.

As far as endless and infinite is concerned, I wish both could be taken seriously on equal terms, but thats all it is , a wish. Nothing tangible. 🤧
 
The definition endless, is the same as what infinite means. You can replace "endless" with "infinite" at any point, and the definitions of both words in multiple sources prove my point. You can say the number line is "infinite". There is no real difference, and if there is with the number line then I'd love to see a source.
Read the second paragraph, it describes the number line as infinitely long. I wonder why that is, could it be that infinite and endless are the same thing?!
 
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