What's an "insignificant" dimension?

[DavidTPPM]

when a 4D object is uncountably infinite it doesn't become 5D. it just goes on and on in an uncountable manner that they are considered infinitely going without end
for the most case this is often assumed aleph 1 (but it is not the entire thing about uncountable infinite is that it just keeps going even if you list down all possible numbers its basically a infinite that will remain infinite even if you add more sets and such)

I didn't say an uncountably infinite 4D object becomes 5D.

regular infinite is aleph 0
and an infinite set of aleph 0 is aleph 1

Aleph 1 is basically an infinite amount of set of Aleph 0
which makes aleph 0 a smaller infinite and aleph 1 the bigger infinite.
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Yeah I pretty much already knew that, that didn't really tell me anything

 

[DavidTPPM]

Your question is “What is an insignificant dimension?” which in this case, mean dimensions of smaller size. Not sure why this requires a overly complicated answer being used here tbh

Yeah but the issue is "what's considered a smaller dimension"? Or rather how small does a dimension have to be to become insignificant and why?

 

[DavidTPPM]

by significant i think it means not infinitesimal,

What's an infinitesmal dimension then? And why would it matter if it's size is almost 0 compared to other 5D structures? Compared to a 4D structure it should still be uncountably infinitely bigger.

two 2 dimensional spaces stacked on each other make it an insingificant 3D space (as it is still infinitesimal),

No they don't. Two 2D spaces stacked on top of each other NEED a 3D space to exist without overlapping but those two 2D spaces don't create a 3D space.

If you have two 2D papers with infinite length and depth but 0 height you could stack any amount of them on top of each other and height would remain 0. It won't become "infinitesmal 3D" because even an infinity * 0 is still 0.
Meaning even a 3D space with even just 1/100000 of a nanometer of height could contain an uncountably infinite amount of these infinite 2D papers.

you can say 0D space is extended infinitesimally/insignificantly in all possible dimensions i think, if it helps you understand

Ngl that really doesn't help. As far as I understand it, a 0D space is just nothing. It basically can't even exist.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

infinity * 0 is still 0.

wrong
The product of infinity and zero is an indeterminate form, meaning that its value cannot be determined exactly
in layman terms undefined and thus unusable but we know it exist hence insignificant

 

[Napoleondevious]

What's an infinitesmal dimension then? And why would it matter if it's size is almost 0 compared to other 5D structures? Compared to a 4D structure it should still be uncountably infinitely bigger.

No they don't. Two 2D spaces stacked on top of each other NEED a 3D space to exist without overlapping but those two 2D spaces don't create a 3D space.

If you have two 2D papers with infinite length and depth but 0 height you could stack any amount of them on top of each other and height would remain 0. It won't become "infinitesmal 3D" because even an infinity * 0 is still 0.

Ngl that really doesn't help. As far as I understand it, a 0D space is just nothing. It basically can't even exist.

youre literally describing a qualitative superiority, a 2D space isnt '0' in a 3D hypothetical axis, its infinitesimal, if it was truly inexistent the whole dimensional system is built upon addition of literal nothingness ? a 0D space isnt non existent, its the thing we use to describe a coordinate within a space, again if it was non existent it would lack dimensional qualities, so dimensions magically posseses BDE type 1 now ? and type 2? outer dimensions fr

 

[Digital_Franz]

What? Autojr space?

Shit. Typing error. The space around the universe I meant.

What does that even mean?
Istg my main question was "what's considered significant" and people keep telling me something needs prove of being significant without anyone actually telling me what's considered significant and why

And I told you what is considered significant. If you can't prove it's significant then it's insi. That's all.

by significant i think it means not infinitesimal, two 2 dimensional spaces stacked on each other make it an insingificant 3D space (as it is still infinitesimal), youd need uncountably many of them to make it non infinitesimal iirc
this is why uncountable STC scale to low 1C because stacking them up will fill this gap to overcome this insingificance

you can say 0D space is extended infinitesimally/insignificantly in all possible dimensions i think, if it helps you understand

 

[DavidTPPM]

wrong
The product of infinity and zero is an indeterminate form, meaning that its value cannot be determined exactly
in layman terms undefined and thus unusable but we know it exist hence insignificant

You basically just said it's unusable but we use it…?

And that's very out of context. Yes infinity*0 is generally indeterminate because it depends on how the infinity interacts with the 0. But adding an infinite amount of 0s on top of each other can't logical give you a different number than 0 because all you're doing is 0+0+0+… which cannot yield a different result than 0.
So stacking planes with 0 height on top of each other has no way of ever reaching a non 0 height and becoming a 3D being.

 

[DavidTPPM]

youre literally describing a qualitative superiority, a 2D space isnt '0' in a 3D hypothetical axis, its infinitesimal, if it was truly inexistent the whole dimensional system is built upon addition of literal nothingness ?

No the HEIGHT of a 2D space IS 0, otherwise it would be 3D. The 3rd dimension in a 2D object isn't infinitesimal it straight up isn't a thing.

a 0D space isnt non existent, its the thing we use to describe a coordinate within a space, again if it was non existent it would lack dimensional qualities, so dimensions magically posseses BDE type 1 now ? and type 2? outer dimensions fr

So it's not a space but a concept used to describe a single point. You said it "extends infinitesimaly" when it just doesn't. It literally doesn't have any directions to expand to, otherwise it wouldn't be 0 dimensional.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Shit. Typing error. The space around the universe I meant.

But that space isn't being affected with every tier 2 feat. What?

And I told you what is considered significant. If you can't prove it's significant then it's insi. That's all.

You said it has to be infinite to be "significant" and I told you that doesn't make any sense to me and you just didn't say anything about it afterwards.

 

[Digital_Franz]

But that space isn't being affected with every tier 2 feat. What?

It affects this space actually. The energy that destroys a space-time continuum disperses and affects this space but without feats it is Low 2-C. The energy that destroys more than one universe also affects this space but everything goes from 2-C to 2-A.

You said it has to be infinite to be "significant" and I told you that doesn't make any sense to me and you just didn't say anything about it afterwards.

Showing that it is infinite on this length is the only way because except for a statement (that an author will never give if he does not do powerscaling because he does not even know what it is), it is impossible to show that it is significant on its 5th axis.

 

[DavidTPPM]

It affects this space actually. The energy that destroys a space-time continuum disperses and affects this space but without feats it is Low 2-C. The energy that destroys more than one universe also affects this space but everything goes from 2-C to 2-A.

It "dispersing" through a higher dimensional space doesn't mean it's affecting the space itself.
By that logic we would give tier 2 rating to anyone who moves through a portal as well.

Showing that it is infinite on this length is the only way because except for a statement (that an author will never give if he does not do powerscaling because he does not even know what it is), it is impossible to show that it is significant on its 5th axis.

So you don't even know what makes a dimension significant.
Because when I asked why, you said it has to be infinite but suddenly it doesn't have to be infinite (since that wouldn't make any sense) it's just that it's the only way you know to prove it's significant.

But what are you proving? What makes it significant?

 

[Digital_Franz]

It "dispersing" through a higher dimensional space doesn't mean it's affecting the space itself.
By that logic we would give tier 2 rating to anyone who moves through a portal as well.

It does. For the one moving through the portal, no energy affects an entire space-time continuum so I don't really see the connection with what I said.

So you don't even know what makes a dimension significant.

It is significant when it is long enough on its 5th axis. I talked about it here in my first posts.

Because when I asked why, you said it has to be infinite but suddenly it doesn't have to be infinite (since that wouldn't make any sense) it's just that it's the only way you know to prove it's significant.

I said since you can't show that it's significantly long, show directly that it's infinite.

But what are you proving? What makes it significant?

Because it's necessary. As I said, a dimension doesn't need to be significantly long on its 5th axis to contain multiple space-time continuums. Many of us here yapped here about that.

 

[DavidTPPM]

It does. For the one moving through the portal, no energy affects an entire space-time continuum so I don't really see the connection with what I said.

Yeah and for the one affecting 2 spacetime continuums in a 5D container no energy is affecting the entire container.

It is significant when it is long enough on its 5th axis. I talked about it here in my first posts.

And I'm still asking, what IS "long enough" and why/how can it not be long enough?

Because it's necessary. As I said, a dimension doesn't need to be significantly long on its 5th axis to contain multiple space-time continuums. Many of us here yapped here about that.

I'm not asking why it's necessary to prove it I'm asking WHAT ARE YOU PROVING.
So far not a single person of the "many that yapped here" has told me what makes a dimension "long enough" and how can a dimension not be long enough.

I appreciate the effort regardless but my question has not really been answered yet

 

[deonment]

An insignificant dimension is one that has no proof of actually being infinite in size, because higher dimensions do not necessarily have to be infinite in size, see Compactification, where Dimensions are compactified to the Planck Length in total size. This is what is typically known as an insignificant dimension, and we typically assume the lowest necessary extent for stuff, so we do not assume that potential higher dimensions in fiction are fully formed because most of the stuff that would require the existence of one would still work with it being even 1 millimeter (Because fun fact, even if you have an infinite amount of space-times displaced throughout a higher dimensional axis in a higher construct, the construct would still be infinitesimally 5D, and thus could be displaced across the axis which String Theory deals with, and thus not even close to low 1-C)

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

You basically just said it's unusable but we use it…?

yes that's why it doesn't grant a tier unless you factor in the idea of higher infinities or uncountable infinite.
We know it exist but it being indeterminate meaning it has no specific value and if the value is not specific we can't just say
oh this is significant size without further proof.

I'm honestly lost at what you really want to know whether it is why small dimension is =/= large dimension
or whether it is to know why is this the standard
cause I'm pretty sure many here already answered satisfactorily in the former
cause the latter point of interest is honestly anyone's guess but it is most likely to follow uniformity which I also explained way earlier

 

[Vietthai96]

Insignificant dimension is just a thing born from this site as a mean to prevent verse get their rating inflated. For example, a room sized space-time is still uncountable infinitely more than infinite-sized space alone due to time being infinite will mutiplied the room sized space at uncountable infinite amount, that mean as long as you can destroy space-time, no matter how small space is you still can get low 2-c via math alone. Thus insignificant dimension thing was born to prevent this kind of situation, which require space-time to be universal in size at least to get low 2-c, this is to make sure that you not get low 2-c before you can at least reach 3-A first, and then this applied to higher tier too

I saw some comment about you are not 5D or 4D or something if dimensions is not significant enough. You need to know that, you are N-dimensional as long as you have N amount of dimensional axes, the different between insignificant and signficant is only relevant when you want to put tier into these dimensions. For example space-time is 4D no matter how small it is, but it will not get tier Low 2-C as long as it size is no significant, such as being universal sized or infinite, same with 5D, 6D, etc.......string theory is considered as 10 to 26 dimensional depend on what kind of theory we talking about, but it being High 1-C to 1-B depend if these dimensions are compactified or not. That is the thing

 

[Digital_Franz]

I saw some comment about you are not 5D or 4D or something if dimensions is not significant enough. You need to know that, you are N-dimensional as long as you have N amount of dimensional axes, the different between insignificant and signficant is only relevant when you want to put tier into these dimensions. For example space-time is 4D no matter how small it is, but it will not get tier Low 2-C as long as it size is no significant, such as being universal sized or infinite, same with 5D, 6D, etc.......string theory is considered as 10 to 26 dimensional depend on what kind of theory we talking about, but it being High 1-C to 1-B depend if these dimensions are compactified or not. That is the thing

Literally my point which was explained again by Dao as you did. He wants everything 5-D to be Low 1-C and doesn't care about the size on the 5th axis

 

[Digital_Franz]

Yeah and for the one affecting 2 spacetime continuums in a 5D container no energy is affecting the entire container.

Yes but the space that is affected is undeniably 5-D.

And I'm still asking, what IS "long enough" and why/how can it not be long enough?

To expand at least as a universe on that axis. How? I took the example with a 1 cm somewhere. In fact it does not need to be very long to contain the space-time continuum.

I'm not asking why it's necessary to prove it I'm asking WHAT ARE YOU PROVING.

The length on the 5th axis.

So far not a single person of the "many that yapped here" has told me what makes a dimension "long enough" and how can a dimension not be long enough.

Dao, me and the others

I appreciate the effort regardless but my question has not really been answered yet

Insignificant dimension is just a thing born from this site as a mean to prevent verse get their rating inflated. For example, a room sized space-time is still uncountable infinitely more than infinite-sized space alone due to time being infinite will mutiplied the room sized space at uncountable infinite amount, that mean as long as you can destroy space-time, no matter how small space is you still can get low 2-c via math alone. Thus insignificant dimension thing was born to prevent this kind of situation, which require space-time to be universal in size at least to get low 2-c, this is to make sure that you not get low 2-c before you can at least reach 3-A first, and then this applied to higher tier too

I saw some comment about you are not 5D or 4D or something if dimensions is not significant enough. You need to know that, you are N-dimensional as long as you have N amount of dimensional axes, the different between insignificant and signficant is only relevant when you want to put tier into these dimensions. For example space-time is 4D no matter how small it is, but it will not get tier Low 2-C as long as it size is no significant, such as being universal sized or infinite, same with 5D, 6D, etc.......string theory is considered as 10 to 26 dimensional depend on what kind of theory we talking about, but it being High 1-C to 1-B depend if these dimensions are compactified or not. That is the thing

There is this and then the post I linked in my first post that you didn't read (it is very interesting because you will understand).

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Insignificant dimension is just a thing born from this site as a mean to prevent verse get their rating inflated. For example, a room sized space-time is still uncountable infinitely more than infinite-sized space alone due to time being infinite will mutiplied the room sized space at uncountable infinite amount, that mean as long as you can destroy space-time, no matter how small space is you still can get low 2-c via math alone. Thus insignificant dimension thing was born to prevent this kind of situation, which require space-time to be universal in size at least to get low 2-c, this is to make sure that you not get low 2-c before you can at least reach 3-A first, and then this applied to higher tier too

I saw some comment about you are not 5D or 4D or something if dimensions is not significant enough. You need to know that, you are N-dimensional as long as you have N amount of dimensional axes, the different between insignificant and signficant is only relevant when you want to put tier into these dimensions. For example space-time is 4D no matter how small it is, but it will not get tier Low 2-C as long as it size is no significant, such as being universal sized or infinite, same with 5D, 6D, etc.......string theory is considered as 10 to 26 dimensional depend on what kind of theory we talking about, but it being High 1-C to 1-B depend if these dimensions are compactified or not. That is the thing

Dimensional reduction - Wikipedia

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That isn’t necessarily true.

You see here, we got dimensional reduction as well as compactifaction. It wasn’t made up out of nowhere as even Compactifaction can technically applies to any theory as far as I am aware and not just strictly string theory as well.

Compactification (physics) - Wikipedia

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[Vietthai96]

Dimensional reduction - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

That isn’t necessarily true.

You see here, we got dimensional reduction as well compactifaction. It wasn’t made up out of nowhere as even Compactifaction can technically applies to any theory as far as I am aware and not just strictly string theory as well.

Compactification (physics) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I didn't say compactified dimensions is string theory only, i just mention it cause it is more common and an easy example

 

[HammerStrikes219]

I didn't say compactified dimensions is string theory only, i just mention it cause it is more common and an easy example

Fair enough there.

 

[Ezaru]

I am fairly sure that it is literally just arbitrary

Like, destroying any 4D object should put you above infinite 3D

But we just, don't scale it that way