Immortality (Type 2) Revision

[Monarch_Laciel]

Type 2 Immortality as it has been explained to me several times essentially means "can survive attacks that should be lethal, regardless of Regenerationn". For example, the Magical Girls from the Puella Magi verse can survive damage up to and including decapitation, not because they can regenerate from these injuries (though they can heal themselves), but because the damage simply isn't lethal to them.

However, the name and definition of Type 2 imply that it is impossible to have both Type 2 Immortality and Type 3 / Regenerationn. However, if Type 2 is indeed simply the ability to "not die from wounds that should kill a normal human", then this implication is incorrect, and it is possible to have both Type 2 Immortality and Regenerationn / Type 3

For example, a being with Type 2 and Regenerationn could regenerate if their head was cut off, but they would also still survive if their head was cut off by a Regenerationn negating weapon, whereas a being with only Type 3 would die if they suffered a lethal wound from a Regenerationn negating weapon.

So, I believe that the definition of Type 2 immortality should be changed. This would not be a large or disruptive change, as it would continue to have the current requirements of type 2. So, my proposed definition is:

"2: Immortality independent of Regenerationn: Characters with this degree of immortality can survive injuries that would otherwise be lethal to a normal person, without needing to heal from it."

I'm not happy with the name, so input would be appreciated on that if this is accepted.

 

[Promestein]

Sounds good to me, even if the name could be better.

 

[Eficiente]

I agree.

Also this character has Immortality type 2 without having Immortality type 1, is that possible?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with this as well, it should be possible for someone to have 2 and 3, but it is still specified that an Immortality Type 2 character can survive their head or organs being removed without the need to regenerate from it.

 

[Promestein]

@Eficente Yes.

 

[DMUA]

Yeah, this is much better.

 

[SchroKatze]

I agree

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

How do people feel about "Undying" as the name?

 

[Kaltias]

Undying is too close to Undead which is type 7.

I dunno about a better name tho

 

[SchroKatze]

"Durable Immortality"?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Not exactly durable, they still take damage.

"Survivable Immortality" maybe?

 

[DMUA]

Just stick with Immortality independent of Regenerationn

 

[Warren_Valion]

Independent Immortality?

 

[DMUA]

If it ain't broke don't fix it. Name's good as is.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

I recommend calling it "Physical immortality" or something to a similar effect.

Straight to the point, covers the whole aspect regarding survivability, doesn't sound stupid.

 

[DMB_1]

How about: "Immortality -we couldn't come up with a name for it-"

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

@MrKing's idea does sound good, except several of these abilities are technically a form of physical immortality.

 

[Eficiente]

This needs more attention.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I guess I'll highlight.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I think a good distiniction is that Type 3 Immortals are kept alive due to their Regenerationn were as Type 2 Immortals are kept alive regardless of injury they may face. It would be possible to have both, but it would be hard to tell the difference unless a character sustained injuries that surpass their regenerative capabilities yet are able to remain alive.

Example: Can regenerate limbs and organs at best, yet can remain alive as minced meat even if they cannot restore themselves

 

[Newendigo]

What about "Painless Immortality"? Sounds good right?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Pretty sure being able to survive something does preclude someone from feeling pain from said thing

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that this makes sense, but it would be extremely hard to know if a character with immortality through Regenerationn also has immortality independent of Regenerationn, as we would not see it demonstrated in the vast majority of cases.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

I'm not good in naming things, but how about "Lethal Immortality"?

I mean, it's matches with the definition of the said Inmortality.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I suppose that this makes sense, but it would be extremely hard to know if a character with immortality through Regenerationn also has immortality independent of Regenerationn, as we would not see it demonstrated in the vast majority of cases.

Perhaps not, but I still believe the distinction should be made.

Ban for example can survive wounds that should be lethal to him, even without his Regenerationn healing them. Darquesse can keep herself alive even with a destroyed heart even without healing herself.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Perhaps "Resilient Immortality" would work

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Perhaps "Resilient Immortality" would work

^This is an actually good name.

 

[Kaltias]

@Ant

Well there are cases like Dio Brando, who can survive being blown up thanks to type 3 (High-Mid regen), but also has type 2 because he can survive as a head only (Regenerating from that is Low-High)

In general i'd say that someone who regenerates gets type 3, then if they also show type 2 it can be added, it simply shouldn't be assumed.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

snip

ayy good example

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Perhaps "Resilient Immortality" would work

I like this.

 

[Antvasima]

@Monarch & Kaltias

Okay.

Btw: I am also fine with "Resilient Immortality".

 

[TriforcePower1]

Perhaps "Resilient Immortality" would work

This name is ok for me

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Yeah, "Resilient Immortality" is pretty much the best name we can give it.

 

[ByAsura]

I concur.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

So if the name and description are acceptable to everyone, I'll make the changes now?

 

[RRTheEndMan]

How about: "Immortality -we couldn't come up with a name for it-"

That would amuse newcomers EDIT: I was joking obviously

 

[Antvasima]

That is probably fine. Remember to remove the highlight for this thread afterwards.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Changes have been made.