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Since Omnipresent/Nigh-Omnipresent beings who have Temporal Omnipresence/Nigh-Omniprescence have to be proven to have Immeasurable speed Reactions, Activation times, Thought Process, Attack Speeds, and Movement. I am going to make this thread for Nasuverse BB.
The case I am presenting is that her Reactions, and Thought Process should be Immeasurable speed. Possibly even her haxes/Abilities as well? I suppose if their thought based haxes like most of her kit. It might not matter..
I want to say this though. I do NOT want to be debate any tiering like 2-A, or Low 1-C on this thread if that is possible. If someone believes there is evidence somewhere to argue a higher tier. Please, create a new CRT. I'd like this to be strictly about the Immeasurable speed stuff please.. Thank you..
Regarding the scaling. I think a "Possibly" rating or no rating at all should be given
Kiara should NOT scale because of direct scaling to BB. She should get a "possibly" rating scaling from the playable servants.
Kiara absorbed a weakened BB. Whom was exhausted from Fighting the Mooncell mentally, and physically fighting the Playable servants, and THIS BB had her connection to the Mooncell cut off. This BB is different from the one Rin was talking about in such extensive detail. Also, Kiara had to launch a shady sneak attack to Absorb BB The Video and Time frame is in the link here
The playable servants should only get a "Possibly" Rating.
Here is why I think this.
They did fight BB physically, but the Issue reading the section again is that BB mentally was fighting off the control of the Mooncell. So BB was fighting a double battle. She also didn't want to hurt the main character. She tried to make out the words "Run away" but she couldn't fully say it because of her internal fight against the mooncell.
The case I am presenting is that her Reactions, and Thought Process should be Immeasurable speed. Possibly even her haxes/Abilities as well? I suppose if their thought based haxes like most of her kit. It might not matter..
I want to say this though. I do NOT want to be debate any tiering like 2-A, or Low 1-C on this thread if that is possible. If someone believes there is evidence somewhere to argue a higher tier. Please, create a new CRT. I'd like this to be strictly about the Immeasurable speed stuff please.. Thank you..
Rin :: What is it, then. You have something you want to ask me?
[>] …what’s the observed universe?…no, nothing.
Rin :: The observed universe…? Ah, I mentioned that in my explanation, I guess. “There’s no passage of time here. If it were a loop we might still have hope…” was that it? A time loop is when time goes in a circle. It means you return to the past, so theoretically you could alter not only known situations, but also unknown ones. But we don’t have dreams like that here. Because no matter what happens the “result” can’t be changed. The far side of the moon is a world made of imaginary numbers. There’s a concept of time here, but the way it works is different from the real thing. You would call it the difference between “recognized time” and “recorded time,” I guess. See, right now we’re standing here talking, and that’s the present, right? But, …one, two, three, and. Right. So now the previous me…what I said three seconds ago has become the “past.” Even though we’re still in the middle of the “same conversation.” That’s the flow of time according to your cognizance. Humans divide time and space into past, present, and future according to their own cognizance. That’s the very simple physical law of observed space. As we can’t see what will come after the present, there fluctuations in related parties can change the future. It’s too late now, but the real world and the near side of the moon are both operated as this observed universe. You understand so far?
…somehow. It sounds like “time according to cognizance” is the world we live in. According to human perception, the “past” is always being updated from the “present.” From the present, we observe the “future” that will come eventually. And we can’t perceive these three states simultaneously.
Rin :: On the other hand, the laws of the recorded universe are different. The perception of the recorded universe is over many dimensions…think of it as a higher dimensional existence. From this higher dimension, the third dimension looks like a flat scroll. Er, if the three-dimensional world is a world drawn in a book, and then if you jumped inside the book and came out outside the book, something like that? And then you’re able to look down on any point in your past, present, and future from when you were inside the book, as a record — that’s the higher dimensional perspective. You get it? Under these circumstances, all time inside the book becomes equivalent. Since you can always turn to whatever time you want to. There’s no past or future. It’s the same as that. This is imaginary number space, a higher dimensional information space made from light. The far side of the moon is fundamentally operated according to the laws of the recorded universe, not the observed universe. We are foreign bodies…no, guests. Creatures of the the observed universe that have been thrown into the recorded universe. Whereas the Moon Cell’s Core is a concurrent world simulator where all possibilities are calculated and the past, present, and future all exist at the same time. In other words, it belongs to the recorded universe. BB has become that Moon Cell. She’s obtained a higher dimensional perspective. So — BB can handle the past and the future simultaneously. The moment BB reached the core, she obtained the power to select and determine the future. The Moon Cell, when used to be only the eyes of god, by combining with the AI BB, has become the brain of god. I don’t know how many hours in the future it is, but at any rate BB has reached the Moon Cell. That fact alone is completely immovable. Having thus become a being of the recorded universe, BB, able to make things true retroactively, became aware of “this present moment.” …your head gets mixed up thinking about it though. So as soon as she became the Moon Cell, BB was able to convey “this present moment” even to her past self. …So, BB knew from the beginning. That no matter what we wouldn’t make it in time.
“Pursuing her so we can somehow make it.” That act itself was pointless. The fact that BB would reach the Core was determined from the start. Were we fighting in order to fail…?
Time to dissect the above quote
"There’s a concept of time here, but the way it works is different from the real thing. You would call it the difference between “recognized time” and “recorded time,” I guess. See, right now we’re standing here talking, and that’s the present, right? But, …one, two, three, and. Right. So now the previous me…what I said three seconds ago has become the “past.” Even though we’re still in the middle of the “same conversation.” That’s the flow of time according to your cognizance. Humans divide time and space into past, present, and future according to their own cognizance. That’s the very simple physical law of observed space"
- This one is pretty simple. Rin explains to us how "Time" in the real world, and the Near Side of The Moon Works. It works the same way as we know it, but the important part of that sentence is the bolded part. The Concept of Time on the Far Side of The Moon operates different. Non-liner Time.
"From this higher dimension, the third dimension looks like a flat scroll. Er, if the three-dimensional world is a world drawn in a book, and then if you jumped inside the book and came out outside the book, something like that? And then you’re able to look down on any point in your past, present, and future from when you were inside the book, as a record"
- This is where we start getting into the Good stuff. BB's Mind is appears to treat time (Past, Present, and Future) as a spatial dimension. Her mind is able to look down and perceive past, present, and future all at once at the same time. A reality-fiction difference to time (Past, Present, Future). Take note of the analogy used by Rin where Time (Past, Present, and Future) is compared to the likes of a flat fabric. Her mind trivializes Time (Past, Present, and Future) as if its a lower spatial dimension hence the comparison of a 3rd dimension.
"Under these circumstances, all time inside the book becomes equivalent. Since you can always turn to whatever time you want to."
- To BB all of Time (Past, Present, and Future) is the same. An Anywhere, and Anywhen.
"Whereas the Moon Cell’s Core is a concurrent world simulator where all possibilities are calculated and the past, present, and future all exist at the same time"
- BB, as a being who literally became the Mooncell, can process the past, present, and future in her mind in parallel and simultaneously. She can even calculate all possibilities which are infinite, but realized possibilities maybe finite.
"BB has become that Moon Cell. She’s obtained a higher dimensional perspective. So — BB can handle the past and the future simultaneously."
- Most of these are pretty clear cut to me. Past, present and future being processed simultaneously/all at the same time/etc.
"BB, able to make things true retroactively, became aware of “this present moment.” …your head gets mixed up thinking about it though. So as soon as she became the Moon Cell, BB was able to convey “this present moment” even to her past self. … So, BB knew from the beginning. That no matter what we wouldn’t make it in time"
- Keep in mind; This is about her mind. Which can convey thoughts to her herselves in past, present, and future. Even make things true retroactively.
"BB :: Logical break on sixth layer of impeding walls, “404 light years.” One block remaining until the Angelica Cage, the Moon Cell Core — Just a little longer until I really reach the core…Even if all the outside area is corroded it will be meaningless…The Moon Cell is a recording devise that utilizes light. Made by a culture far different from the human culture of consumption, a kind of operation that doesn’t depend on materials — By nature, there is no concept of observation based on the passage of time here. Past, present, future, all are processed in parallel. The SE.RA.PH and the Holy Grail War are nothing more than virtual spaces made by the core to document human beings more accurately. Even if I control the far side of the moon, as long as the core is here that great principle won’t change…therefore…I must reach the core. Break the world’s walls, destroy the world’s cornerstone. I must turn against everything, or my wish will never be fulfilled. If don’t, I can save [static] —"
- This is just iterating the same thing. Past, Present, and Future are being processed in parallel.
"Having obtained the power of the original goddess, BB successfully digitized the “nothingness” before life was born. This made her a master of imaginary number space, where time and space are both uncertain. No matter how much time hacking the Moon Cell requires, BB achieved it by placing herself in the concept of “infinite time.”"
- She placed herself in the concept of infinite/unlimited time.
Cursed Cutting Crater: Spirit Particle Fabricated Trap. The formal name of this stage. This place, which used to be only an imaginary number space for storing malignant information, was established as real number space in past, present, and future, by the fact of BB’s arrival at the Moon Cell Core. By her hands it was reconstructed as “the far side of the moon,” where Masters can exist.
- Pretty simple, transformed a location in past, present, and future all at the same time.
Regarding the scaling. I think a "Possibly" rating or no rating at all should be given
Kiara should NOT scale because of direct scaling to BB. She should get a "possibly" rating scaling from the playable servants.
Kiara absorbed a weakened BB. Whom was exhausted from Fighting the Mooncell mentally, and physically fighting the Playable servants, and THIS BB had her connection to the Mooncell cut off. This BB is different from the one Rin was talking about in such extensive detail. Also, Kiara had to launch a shady sneak attack to Absorb BB The Video and Time frame is in the link here
The playable servants should only get a "Possibly" Rating.
Here is why I think this.
They did fight BB physically, but the Issue reading the section again is that BB mentally was fighting off the control of the Mooncell. So BB was fighting a double battle. She also didn't want to hurt the main character. She tried to make out the words "Run away" but she couldn't fully say it because of her internal fight against the mooncell.
Entry 152: Fight to the end
Moon Cell Core: Phenomena Decision Tree BB :: Visitors confirmed. Present — we have no plans for guests. Past — no visitors have come. Future — we see no necessity for visitors. W…
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