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Immeasurable Speed BB (Nasuverse)

Since Omnipresent/Nigh-Omnipresent beings who have Temporal Omnipresence/Nigh-Omniprescence have to be proven to have Immeasurable speed Reactions, Activation times, Thought Process, Attack Speeds, and Movement. I am going to make this thread for Nasuverse BB.

The case I am presenting is that her Reactions, and Thought Process should be Immeasurable speed. Possibly even her haxes/Abilities as well? I suppose if their thought based haxes like most of her kit. It might not matter..

I want to say this though. I do NOT want to be debate any tiering like 2-A, or Low 1-C on this thread if that is possible. If someone believes there is evidence somewhere to argue a higher tier. Please, create a new CRT. I'd like this to be strictly about the Immeasurable speed stuff please.. Thank you..

Rin :: What is it, then. You have something you want to ask me?

…no, nothing.
[>] …what’s the observed universe?

Rin :: The observed universe…? Ah, I mentioned that in my explanation, I guess. “There’s no passage of time here. If it were a loop we might still have hope…” was that it? A time loop is when time goes in a circle. It means you return to the past, so theoretically you could alter not only known situations, but also unknown ones. But we don’t have dreams like that here. Because no matter what happens the “result” can’t be changed. The far side of the moon is a world made of imaginary numbers. There’s a concept of time here, but the way it works is different from the real thing. You would call it the difference between “recognized time” and “recorded time,” I guess. See, right now we’re standing here talking, and that’s the present, right? But, …one, two, three, and. Right. So now the previous me…what I said three seconds ago has become the “past.” Even though we’re still in the middle of the “same conversation.” That’s the flow of time according to your cognizance. Humans divide time and space into past, present, and future according to their own cognizance. That’s the very simple physical law of observed space. As we can’t see what will come after the present, there fluctuations in related parties can change the future. It’s too late now, but the real world and the near side of the moon are both operated as this observed universe. You understand so far?

…somehow. It sounds like “time according to cognizance” is the world we live in. According to human perception, the “past” is always being updated from the “present.” From the present, we observe the “future” that will come eventually. And we can’t perceive these three states simultaneously.

Rin :: On the other hand, the laws of the recorded universe are different. The perception of the recorded universe is over many dimensions…think of it as a higher dimensional existence. From this higher dimension, the third dimension looks like a flat scroll. Er, if the three-dimensional world is a world drawn in a book, and then if you jumped inside the book and came out outside the book, something like that? And then you’re able to look down on any point in your past, present, and future from when you were inside the book, as a record — that’s the higher dimensional perspective. You get it? Under these circumstances, all time inside the book becomes equivalent. Since you can always turn to whatever time you want to. There’s no past or future. It’s the same as that. This is imaginary number space, a higher dimensional information space made from light. The far side of the moon is fundamentally operated according to the laws of the recorded universe, not the observed universe. We are foreign bodies…no, guests. Creatures of the the observed universe that have been thrown into the recorded universe. Whereas the Moon Cell’s Core is a concurrent world simulator where all possibilities are calculated and the past, present, and future all exist at the same time. In other words, it belongs to the recorded universe. BB has become that Moon Cell. She’s obtained a higher dimensional perspective. So — BB can handle the past and the future simultaneously. The moment BB reached the core, she obtained the power to select and determine the future. The Moon Cell, when used to be only the eyes of god, by combining with the AI BB, has become the brain of god. I don’t know how many hours in the future it is, but at any rate BB has reached the Moon Cell. That fact alone is completely immovable. Having thus become a being of the recorded universe, BB, able to make things true retroactively, became aware of “this present moment.” …your head gets mixed up thinking about it though. So as soon as she became the Moon Cell, BB was able to convey “this present moment” even to her past self. …So, BB knew from the beginning. That no matter what we wouldn’t make it in time.

“Pursuing her so we can somehow make it.” That act itself was pointless. The fact that BB would reach the Core was determined from the start. Were we fighting in order to fail…?

  • Time to dissect the above quote
"There’s a concept of time here, but the way it works is different from the real thing. You would call it the difference between “recognized time” and “recorded time,” I guess. See, right now we’re standing here talking, and that’s the present, right? But, …one, two, three, and. Right. So now the previous me…what I said three seconds ago has become the “past.” Even though we’re still in the middle of the “same conversation.” That’s the flow of time according to your cognizance. Humans divide time and space into past, present, and future according to their own cognizance. That’s the very simple physical law of observed space"


  • This one is pretty simple. Rin explains to us how "Time" in the real world, and the Near Side of The Moon Works. It works the same way as we know it, but the important part of that sentence is the bolded part. The Concept of Time on the Far Side of The Moon operates different. Non-liner Time.


"From this higher dimension, the third dimension looks like a flat scroll. Er, if the three-dimensional world is a world drawn in a book, and then if you jumped inside the book and came out outside the book, something like that? And then you’re able to look down on any point in your past, present, and future from when you were inside the book, as a record"

  • This is where we start getting into the Good stuff. BB's Mind is appears to treat time (Past, Present, and Future) as a spatial dimension. Her mind is able to look down and perceive past, present, and future all at once at the same time. A reality-fiction difference to time (Past, Present, Future). Take note of the analogy used by Rin where Time (Past, Present, and Future) is compared to the likes of a flat fabric. Her mind trivializes Time (Past, Present, and Future) as if its a lower spatial dimension hence the comparison of a 3rd dimension.


"Under these circumstances, all time inside the book becomes equivalent. Since you can always turn to whatever time you want to."

  • To BB all of Time (Past, Present, and Future) is the same. An Anywhere, and Anywhen.


"Whereas the Moon Cell’s Core is a concurrent world simulator where all possibilities are calculated and the past, present, and future all exist at the same time"

  • BB, as a being who literally became the Mooncell, can process the past, present, and future in her mind in parallel and simultaneously. She can even calculate all possibilities which are infinite, but realized possibilities maybe finite.


"BB has become that Moon Cell. She’s obtained a higher dimensional perspective. So — BB can handle the past and the future simultaneously."

  • Most of these are pretty clear cut to me. Past, present and future being processed simultaneously/all at the same time/etc.


"BB, able to make things true retroactively, became aware of “this present moment.” …your head gets mixed up thinking about it though. So as soon as she became the Moon Cell, BB was able to convey “this present moment” even to her past self. … So, BB knew from the beginning. That no matter what we wouldn’t make it in time"

  • Keep in mind; This is about her mind. Which can convey thoughts to her herselves in past, present, and future. Even make things true retroactively.


"BB :: Logical break on sixth layer of impeding walls, “404 light years.” One block remaining until the Angelica Cage, the Moon Cell Core — Just a little longer until I really reach the core…Even if all the outside area is corroded it will be meaningless…The Moon Cell is a recording devise that utilizes light. Made by a culture far different from the human culture of consumption, a kind of operation that doesn’t depend on materials — By nature, there is no concept of observation based on the passage of time here. Past, present, future, all are processed in parallel. The SE.RA.PH and the Holy Grail War are nothing more than virtual spaces made by the core to document human beings more accurately. Even if I control the far side of the moon, as long as the core is here that great principle won’t change…therefore…I must reach the core. Break the world’s walls, destroy the world’s cornerstone. I must turn against everything, or my wish will never be fulfilled. If don’t, I can save [static] —"

  • This is just iterating the same thing. Past, Present, and Future are being processed in parallel.


"Having obtained the power of the original goddess, BB successfully digitized the “nothingness” before life was born. This made her a master of imaginary number space, where time and space are both uncertain. No matter how much time hacking the Moon Cell requires, BB achieved it by placing herself in the concept of “infinite time.”"

  • She placed herself in the concept of infinite/unlimited time.


Cursed Cutting Crater: Spirit Particle Fabricated Trap. The formal name of this stage. This place, which used to be only an imaginary number space for storing malignant information, was established as real number space in past, present, and future, by the fact of BB’s arrival at the Moon Cell Core. By her hands it was reconstructed as “the far side of the moon,” where Masters can exist.


  • Pretty simple, transformed a location in past, present, and future all at the same time.











Regarding the scaling. I think a "Possibly" rating or no rating at all should be given

Kiara should NOT scale because of direct scaling to BB. She should get a "possibly" rating scaling from the playable servants.


Kiara absorbed a weakened BB. Whom was exhausted from Fighting the Mooncell mentally, and physically fighting the Playable servants, and THIS BB had her connection to the Mooncell cut off. This BB is different from the one Rin was talking about in such extensive detail. Also, Kiara had to launch a shady sneak attack to Absorb BB The Video and Time frame is in the link here

The playable servants should only get a "Possibly" Rating.

Here is why I think this.

They did fight BB physically, but the Issue reading the section again is that BB mentally was fighting off the control of the Mooncell. So BB was fighting a double battle. She also didn't want to hurt the main character. She tried to make out the words "Run away" but she couldn't fully say it because of her internal fight against the mooncell.

 
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I talk about this on discord, so I agree. The other Playable servants(CCC) would likely scale to her. The question is, would the other 2-A in FGO scale.
 
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Good job! I can definitely see immesurable speed bb getting accepted. If you ask me I definitely agree with this.
 
I talk about this on discord, so I agree. The other Playable servants(CCC) would likely scale to her. The question is, would the other 2-A in FGO scale.
I'm currently a bit skeptical on scaling the playables but I'd have to go back and read the context again to make up my mind

As I'm currently aware, I don't think any other 2-A's would scale.

Though, shouldn't Goetia have immeasurable attack speed with AAS since he incinerated human history in past present and future? Probably best to use different crt for that. Thought I would mention it
 

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Okay, I'm no expert on the series, but I'll break down bit by bit the main points.
  1. The first bit is explaining how time works and mentions time flowing nonlinearly; no feats here but is a good reference point yes.
  2. The second example mentions being able to see each and every period in time like a book; which sounds more like Cosmic Awareness than it does speed. Though mentions of seeing time as like a flat book makes some sense on approaching it/higher dimension. Higher dimensional stuff as in a possible higher temporal dimension could also support Immeasurable
  3. Though point three also mentions being able to casually hop to any time period and physically travel to said destination; Time Travel at least, and possibly Immeasurable of consistent with reactions
  4. Mentions each and every time period as all parallel places, which does sound like perceiving linear time as a spatial dimension yes. Immeasurable does look promising here.
  5. Mentions effecting all time periods simultaneously; seems like AoE or Omnipresence. But reasons above suffice
  6. Past self reaction to something happening in the present is more in like with precognition, but same as side point above.
  7. Being beyond the concept of linear time is further back up but otherwise repeat of part 4. Thus legit.
  8. Concept of infinite or unlimited time sounds more like Infinite than it does Immeasurable, but the other points above suffice.
  9. Again, the same as point 5 about it more so being AoE. But nothing else needing to be repeated.
On in all, due to points 3 and 7 and to some extent 2 and 4 and maybe 1 could suffice for Immeasurable speed. Looks good IMO, but I know other staff have skepticism for this series iirc.
 
Regarding the scaling

Kiara should NOT scale because of direct scaling to BB. She should get a "possibly" rating scaling from the playable servants.


Kiara absorbed a weakened BB. Whom was exhausted from Fighting the Mooncell mentally, and physically fighting the Playable servants, and THIS BB had her connection to the Mooncell cut off. This BB is different from the one Rin was talking about in such extensive detail. Also, Kiara had to launch a shady sneak attack to Absorb BB The Video and Time frame is in the link here

The playable servants should only get a "Possibly" Rating.

Here is why I think this.

They did fight BB physically, but the Issue reading the section again is that BB mentally was fighting off the control of the Mooncell. So BB was fighting a double battle. She also didn't want to hurt the main character. She tried to make out the words "Run away" but she couldn't fully say it because of her internal fight against the mooncell.

 
Okay, I'm no expert on the series, but I'll break down bit by bit the main points.
  1. The first bit is explaining how time works and mentions time flowing nonlinearly; no feats here but is a good reference point yes.
  2. The second example mentions being able to see each and every period in time like a book; which sounds more like Cosmic Awareness than it does speed. Though mentions of seeing time as like a flat book makes some sense on approaching it/higher dimension. Higher dimensional stuff as in a possible higher temporal dimension could also support Immeasurable
  3. Though point three also mentions being able to casually hop to any time period and physically travel to said destination; Time Travel at least, and possibly Immeasurable of consistent with reactions
  4. Mentions each and every time period as all parallel places, which does sound like perceiving linear time as a spatial dimension yes. Immeasurable does look promising here.
  5. Mentions effecting all time periods simultaneously; seems like AoE or Omnipresence. But reasons above suffice
  6. Past self reaction to something happening in the present is more in like with precognition, but same as side point above.
  7. Being beyond the concept of linear time is further back up but otherwise repeat of part 4. Thus legit.
  8. Concept of infinite or unlimited time sounds more like Infinite than it does Immeasurable, but the other points above suffice.
  9. Again, the same as point 5 about it more so being AoE. But nothing else needing to be repeated.
On in all, due to points 3 and 7 and to some extent 2 and 4 and maybe 1 could suffice for Immeasurable speed. Looks good IMO, but I know other staff have skepticism for this series iirc.
Are you able to tag some knowledgable staff members on immeasurable speed when you get the time? Thank you for evaluating the thread btw..
 
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I agree with the upgrades, I do think Kiara should still directly scale due to FGO events concerning her, BB, and the Moon Cell though.
 

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Yeah this is extremely obvious. With how higher dimensions work in Nasu, a lot of things would need to be immeasurable, but that's something for latter CRTs. Good job with this.

I agree with possibly Immeasurable for C.C.C tier 2s.
 

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Yeah, if her consciousness exists within the temporal axis itself and perceives all of the events of the 3-dimensional world as one simultaneous whole which she can shape at will, then Immeasurable looks pretty straightforward to me.
 
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i don't think so
most nasu supporters including 3 mods have agreed with it and it's one of the most blatant Immeasurable speed feats that i've seen
 
Okay, I'm no expert on the series, but I'll break down bit by bit the main points.
  1. The first bit is explaining how time works and mentions time flowing nonlinearly; no feats here but is a good reference point yes.
  2. The second example mentions being able to see each and every period in time like a book; which sounds more like Cosmic Awareness than it does speed. Though mentions of seeing time as like a flat book makes some sense on approaching it/higher dimension. Higher dimensional stuff as in a possible higher temporal dimension could also support Immeasurable
  3. Though point three also mentions being able to casually hop to any time period and physically travel to said destination; Time Travel at least, and possibly Immeasurable of consistent with reactions
  4. Mentions each and every time period as all parallel places, which does sound like perceiving linear time as a spatial dimension yes. Immeasurable does look promising here.
  5. Mentions effecting all time periods simultaneously; seems like AoE or Omnipresence. But reasons above suffice
  6. Past self reaction to something happening in the present is more in like with precognition, but same as side point above.
  7. Being beyond the concept of linear time is further back up but otherwise repeat of part 4. Thus legit.
  8. Concept of infinite or unlimited time sounds more like Infinite than it does Immeasurable, but the other points above suffice.
  9. Again, the same as point 5 about it more so being AoE. But nothing else needing to be repeated.
On in all, due to points 3 and 7 and to some extent 2 and 4 and maybe 1 could suffice for Immeasurable speed. Looks good IMO, but I know other staff have skepticism for this series iirc.
Do you think it is okay to apply what is agreed upon for just BB?

Ultima seems to have agreed and Duedate seemd sold on it.
 
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Yeah, but this is only inside the virtual reality/pocket dimension of the mooncell, and even then you do fight BB in a straightforward way so she does move in linear time and has no actual feats of omnipresence.
 
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Yeah, but this is only inside the virtual reality/pocket dimension of the mooncell, and even then you do fight BB in a straightforward way so she does move in linear time and has no actual feats of omnipresence.
Most of her speed feat was in far side who is not really a part of the "virtual" reality of moon cell
And what you want to tell by straightforward way?

She litteraly have feat, description and show being omnipresent don't know how you can even tell that. Same for linear time
 
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Most of her speed feat was in far side who is not really a part of the "virtual" reality of moon cell

And what you want to tell by straightforward way?

She litteraly have feat, description and show being omnipresent don't know how you can even tell that

The mooncell is just a crystal in the moon that behaves like a quantum computer and can be accessed by people in a "physical" way, because it is a computer several things are only possible within it like FTL movement and BB abilities which she has since she hacked the computer. Which is probably why she fears EA since it punches trough the virtual reality/pocket dimension.

In the end the servants get a power up and use FTL travel, meaning they aren't teleporting or already present everywhere or any of that, they fight and defeat BB. The full extent of her seeing past present and future is her sending info to herself in the past, she never showcase infinite battle reaction or movement speed or to manifest everywhere at the same time.
 
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The mooncell is just a crystal in the moon that behaves like a quantum computer and can be accessed by people in a "physical" way, because it is a computer several things are only possible within it like FTL movement and BB abilities which she has since she hacked the computer. Which is probably why she fears EA since it punches trough the virtual reality/pocket dimension.

In the end the servants get a power up and use FTL travel, meaning they aren't teleporting or already present everywhere or any of that, they fight and defeat BB. The full extent of her seeing past present and future is her sending info to herself in the past, she never showcase infinite battle reaction or movement speed or to manifest everywhere at the same time.
Far side is not himself part of the moon cell but part of the imaginary number space it just exist within moon cell, for the rest you just describ mostly the near side who have nothing to do with the OP.

The ftl travel (mftl+) was for most not from the power up for what i remember like Gil is just using vehicle, even without that all the mystic code servant was able to go through the infinity time of BB too, she can manifest everywhere in time if she want it's tell in the OP, for the infinity battle or reaction she have alredy made herself in infinity time before even merging with moon cell
 
The mooncell is just a crystal in the moon that behaves like a quantum computer and can be accessed by people in a "physical" way, because it is a computer several things are only possible within it like FTL movement and BB abilities which she has since she hacked the computer. Which is probably why she fears EA since it punches trough the virtual reality/pocket dimension.

In the end the servants get a power up and use FTL travel, meaning they aren't teleporting or already present everywhere or any of that, they fight and defeat BB. The full extent of her seeing past present and future is her sending info to herself in the past, she never showcase infinite battle reaction or movement speed or to manifest everywhere at the same time.
1.) She doens't fear Ea.
Its gilgamesh who fears her

2.) Mooncell being just a crystal is irrelevant here. How people access it is irrelevant to this discussion.


3.) You just ignored evidence and statements. and you tried to force your interpretation upon them which the the statements disprove your interpretation.

4.) This thread is about her consciousness and mind which is her process of thought, reactions, and the activation and speed of her hax
not her base movements, or weather or not she is omnipresent or so. Debating if she is omnipresent, or not is irrelevant. The overall point of the thread is to show Immeasurable speed reactions, thought process, activation and speed of her hax.
 
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Far side is not himself part of the moon cell but part of the imaginary number space it just exist within moon cell, for the rest you just describ mostly the near side who have nothing to do with the OP.

The ftl travel (mftl+) was for most not from the power up for what i remember like Gil is just using vehicle, even without that all the mystic code servant was able to go through the infinity time of BB too, she can manifest everywhere in time if she want it's tell in the OP, for the infinity battle or reaction she have alredy made herself in infinity time before even merging with moon cell

The side is irrelevant, as all virtual reality/pocket dimension.

The speed itself isn't relevant, it's the fact they actually physically move from one place to the next, that's linear time.


1.) She doens't fear Ea.
Its gilgamesh who fears her

2.) Mooncell being just a crystal is irrelevant here. How people access it is irrelevant to this discussion.


3.) You just ignored evidence and statements. and you tried to force your interpretation upon them which the the statements disprove your interpretation.

4.) This thread is about her consciousness and mind which is her process of thought, reactions, and the activation and speed of her hax
not her base movements, or weather or not she is omnipresent or so. Debating if she is omnipresent, or not is irrelevant. The overall point of the thread is to show Immeasurable speed reactions, thought process, activation and speed of her hax.

1)She does fear EA, she locked Gilgamesh away because she was scared of him.

2) It is relevant in that the character needs that setting to use this skills, a strong character will just escape the mooncell and nuke the moon, like Arcueid did by playing around.

3) I mean Rin explains something that sounds neat but BB showed no practical use for it, the only thing she did was send info to her past self.

4) Well her fighting speed is whatever the other servants that fought her where +, while her hax is instant if she does react to the opponents.
 
The side is irrelevant, as all virtual reality/pocket dimension.

The speed itself isn't relevant, it's the fact they actually physically move from one place to the next, that's linear time.




1)She does fear EA, she locked Gilgamesh away because she was scared of him.

2) It is relevant in that the character needs that setting to use this skills, a strong character will just escape the mooncell and nuke the moon, like Arcueid did by playing around.

3) I mean Rin explains something that sounds neat but BB showed no practical use for it, the only thing she did was send info to her past self.

4) Well her fighting speed is whatever the other servants that fought her where +, while her hax is instant if she does react to the opponents.
1.) irrelevant regardless to the discussion on Immeasurable reactions, thought process, activation and hax speed.

2.) Fate grand order debunks your argument as BB was causally using her power and manifesting her self outside of it. Extella further disproves this as Altera used the Mooncells own resources to manifest the white titan form on Earth which wrecked a whole pantheon of Gods. Arcueid is a special case as there is a special mechanic in the verse called "Authority(ies)"

3.) Did you miss the other explanations of how the Mooncell and BB view past, present, and future as a spatial dimension looking down upon it as a book in her own mind which allows her to simultaneously process past, present and future all at once, at the same time, etc?

4.) There is other issues regarding scaling other characters. BB was mentally fighting off the mooncells control, but regardless both the Mooncell and BB have achieved a state where Past, Present, and Future are processed in parallel and simultaneously. A state where both trivialize Past, Present, and future as a flat lesser fabric in their mind. So even while they are mentally fighting each other for who will get control they should still be able to process the fight. In other words, the playable characters should only get a "possibly" rating for reacting and countering her thought based hax.
 

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This whole argument against it is kinda weird

She's not Immeasurable because she fears Gilgamesh... who's more powerful than her and has higher authority.

Or because it's virtual space, which doesn't matter as virtual space acts like and carries over progress to the physical world.

Or that "BB doesn't show uses of it", which is straight up a lie, Rin says BB can do things retroactively, which... she does.

Either way this has been accepted by dozens of members and Nasu knowledgebles, as well as 3 staff members.
 
I'd like to have staff approval to edit the affected profiles before applying the upgrades..

Here is what i was thinking

BB:

Speed:
Nigh-Omnipresent throughout space-time (Exists in past, present, and future simultaneously and can view and appear across space-time as if it were a book, absorbed the data of Tiamat, who also exists across space-time), Massively FTL+ otherwise (Comparable to Hakuno's servants), Immeasurable reactions, and abilities (BB can process Past, Present, and Future simultaneously and in parallel with in her mind. Her abilities such as C.C.C, and her abilities she obtained by becoming the Mooncell are thought based.)

the playable characters should get:

possibly Immeasurable (Should be capable of reacting, and countering BB's abilities, and physically harming her)


Obviously there is room for improvement lol. Im just tired and its hard to think right now.
 

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I think something like

Immeasurable reaction speed (Processes the world at a 4 dimensional level, seeing and experiencing every facet of the 3 dimensional world, across the past, present and future, as one and the same, as if it was a book)

One for the playables is good enough.
 
I think something like

Immeasurable reaction speed (Processes the world at a 4 dimensional level, seeing and experiencing every facet of the 3 dimensional world, across the past, present and future, as one and the same, as if it was a book)

One for the playables is good enough.
That sounds good to me. Actually, it sounds FANTASTIC 👌
 
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1.) irrelevant regardless to the discussion on Immeasurable reactions, thought process, activation and hax speed.

2.) Fate grand order debunks your argument as BB was causally using her power and manifesting her self outside of it. Extella further disproves this as Altera used the Mooncells own resources to manifest the white titan form on Earth which wrecked a whole pantheon of Gods. Arcueid is a special case as there is a special mechanic in the verse called "Authority(ies)"

3.) Did you miss the other explanations of how the Mooncell and BB view past, present, and future as a spatial dimension looking down upon it as a book in her own mind which allows her to simultaneously process past, present and future all at once, at the same time, etc?

4.) There is other issues regarding scaling other characters. BB was mentally fighting off the mooncells control, but regardless both the Mooncell and BB have achieved a state where Past, Present, and Future are processed in parallel and simultaneously. A state where both trivialize Past, Present, and future as a flat lesser fabric in their mind. So even while they are mentally fighting each other for who will get control they should still be able to process the fight. In other words, the playable characters should only get a "possibly" rating for reacting and countering her thought based hax.

that's the point, BB fears characters that don't see past present and future at the same time, because all the good it ever did to her was to send information to her past self. I don't see how that means infinite reaction speed, is more like fancy precognition.

The gacha game actually shows why the mooncell is important to these things, the moon can manifest things but not a single character is as strong in the real world as it is in the computer.

Things like autorithies are aplicable in vs matches, the act is Arcueid just cut open space time and got in and out of the mooncell, that in the real world is just a computer.


This whole argument against it is kinda weird

She's not Immeasurable because she fears Gilgamesh... who's more powerful than her and has higher authority.

Or because it's virtual space, which doesn't matter as virtual space acts like and carries over progress to the physical world.

Or that "BB doesn't show uses of it", which is straight up a lie, Rin says BB can do things retroactively, which... she does.

Either way this has been accepted by dozens of members and Nasu knowledgebles, as well as 3 staff members.

Yeah but BB changes things by sending info to her past self, but that doesn't really help her when she is already fighting someone because it's the same as precognition, you still can speedblitz her and beat her with conventional speed as that what the servants do, else she wouldn't fear Gilgamesh regardless of autorities of the strength of EA.
 
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The side is irrelevant, as all virtual reality/pocket dimension.

The speed itself isn't relevant, it's the fact they actually physically move from one place to the next, that's linear time.




1)She does fear EA, she locked Gilgamesh away because she was scared of him.

2) It is relevant in that the character needs that setting to use this skills, a strong character will just escape the mooncell and nuke the moon, like Arcueid did by playing around.

3) I mean Rin explains something that sounds neat but BB showed no practical use for it, the only thing she did was send info to her past self.

4) Well her fighting speed is whatever the other servants that fought her where +, while her hax is instant if she does react to the opponents.
The side is revelant since far side is not virtual place, far side is imaginary number space, it's litteraly the place we use for deplacement in fgo and the place where tiamat and temple of goetia are.

You can physically move to one place from next with a non linear time you know?

Not her that fear him, it was moon cell, she litteraly even consider their fight as a game,

Nuke the moon will do nothing to moon cell, the moon is litteraly an illusion made moon cell in Extra

She did some feat and even without they didn't have contraction since the one that fight here are people that was give the power to fight here.
 

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What the other staff members here accepted above can probably be applied.
 
I don't think (being far stronger than BB) sounds like a good justification for a speed rating to me

But that just my opinion I guess.
 
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