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"I'm a goon for life, Popo."Y’all are goons
And after that Multiversal Bleach will come XDSuggested keys will be typed out for finalization and review tomorrow, and come the next day if we're still clean they can be applied.
Ha funny, noAnd after that Multiversal Bleach will come XD
Why does Soul King scale only 3B ?Here are the conclusions of this thread typed up nice and neatly, if someone can make sure I made no errors, I'll let this sit for another day before it can be applied.
- Ichigo
- Tier: 3-B, 3-A, possibly Low 2-C with Bankai | 3-B, 3-A, possibly Low 2-C with Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou, higher with Bankai, far higher with Bankai and Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou
- AP: Galaxy level (Cut down the Weakened Soul King, capable of cutting through a casual Soul King Yhwach's darkness, is one of three people alive capable of defeating Hikone's full power, making him among the strongest in the entire verse, and was even fit to replace the Soul King), Universe level, possibly Universe level+ (Killed Soul King Yhwach with a Getsuga Tenshou and again with the Zangetsu that appears from within as Yhwach's power was coming back to him) | Galaxy level (Hollowfication provides a tremendous boost to Ichigo's power), 3-A, possibly Low 2-C with Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou (Pierced Soul King Yhwach's defenses and forced Yhwach to open his Almighty eyes), higher with Bankai (Soul King Yhwach feared Ichigo's Bankai enough to go out of his way not to fight it, instead destroying it with his Almighty), far higher with Bankai and Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou (Both these techniques drastically raise Ichigo's destructive output)
- Striking Strength: Galactic (Comparable to his Attack Power), Universal, possibly Universal+ with Bankai (Comparable to his Attack Power) | Galactic (Comparable to his Attack Power), Universal, possibly Universal+ with Bankai (Comparable to his Attack Power)
- Durability: Galaxy level (Comparable to his Attack Power, blocked an attack from Almighty Yhwach, and is capable of surviving a barrage from a casual Soul King Yhwach), Universe level, possibly Universe level+ with Bankai (Comparable to his Attack Power, Bankai amplifies Ichigo's statistics) | Galaxy level (Comparable to his Attack Power, Hollowfication amplified Ichigo's statistics), Universe level, possibly Universe level+ with Bankai (Comparable to his Attack Power, Bankai amplifies Ichigo's statistics)
- Keys: True Zanpakuto | Merged Hollow Form
- Yhwach
- Tier: At least 3-B | At least 3-B | 3-A, possibly Low 2-C
- AP: At least Galaxy level (Stabbed the Weakened Soul King, burnt True Shikai Ichigo's arm, and claimed to be far superior to the Weakened Soul King) | At least Galaxy level (Stronger than before after absorbing Mimihagi) | Universe level, possibly Universe level+ (Significantly stronger than Senna's explosion, as he is able to remove the barrier between worlds which Senna's explosion was unable to do. Stated numerous times capable of destroying multiple realms and creating a new one, and without his power the world cannot stand. Grew more powerful after absorbing Ichigo's powers and the powers of his Sternritter)
- Striking Strength: At least Galactic (Comparable to his Attack Power) | At least Galactic (Comparable to his Attack Power) | Universal, possibly Universal+ (Comparable to his Attack Power)
- Durability: At least Galaxy level (Comparable to his Attack Power, tanked a Getsuga Tenshou from True Shikai Ichigo) | At least Galaxy level (Comparable to his Attack Power, more durable than before after absorbing Mimihagi) | Universe level, possibly Universe level+ (Comparable to his Attack Power, passively keeps the worlds from collapsing as the new Soul King)
- Keys: Almighty | Mimihagi-Absorbed | Soul King
- Aizen
- Tier: At least 3-B, likely 3-A, possibly Low 2-C
- AP: At least Galaxy level, likely Universe level, possibly Universe level+ (Capable of cutting through Soul King Yhwach's darkness and putting up a decent fight, and is one of three people alive capable of defeating Hikone's full powerm making him among the strongest in the entire verse)
- Striking Strength: At least Galactic, likely Universal, possibly Universal+ (Comparable to his Attack Power)
- Durability: At least Galaxy level, likely Universe level, possibly Universal level+ (Comparable to his Attack Power, withstood Soul King Yhwach's attack that destroyed his chair)
- Keys: Thousand Year Blood War Arc
- Soul King
- Tier: 3-B
- AP: Galaxy level (Passively prevents the collapse of the Bleach universe, which would occur over a maximum of 6 months, albeit it would likely occur much quicker. It should be noted that the Soul King in this state has no agency and cannot feasibly attack)
- Striking Strength: Unknown (Cannot strike due to a lack of arms)
- Durability: Galaxy level (Comparable to his Attack Power)
- Keys: Weakened
- Orihime
- Durability: At least Galaxy level, likely Universe level, possibly Universe level+ with Shun Shun Rikka (Blocked Soul King Yhwach's darkness and protected herself from True Shikai Ichigo's Hollowfication)
Weakened Soul King* and it's because his stability comes out to 3-B, it's the genesis of all the 3-B ratings.Why does Soul King scale only 3B ?
I think you mean Multi-Galaxy level, not Galaxy level.Here are the conclusions of this thread typed up nice and neatly, if someone can make sure I made no errors, I'll let this sit for another day before it can be applied.
- Ichigo
- Tier: 3-B, 3-A, possibly Low 2-C with Bankai | 3-B, 3-A, possibly Low 2-C with Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou, higher with Bankai, far higher with Bankai and Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou
- AP: Galaxy level (Cut down the Weakened Soul King, capable of cutting through a casual Soul King Yhwach's darkness, is one of three people alive capable of defeating Hikone's full power, making him among the strongest in the entire verse, and was even fit to replace the Soul King), Universe level, possibly Universe level+ (Killed Soul King Yhwach with a Getsuga Tenshou and again with the Zangetsu that appears from within as Yhwach's power was coming back to him) | Galaxy level (Hollowfication provides a tremendous boost to Ichigo's power), 3-A, possibly Low 2-C with Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou (Pierced Soul King Yhwach's defenses and forced Yhwach to open his Almighty eyes), higher with Bankai (Soul King Yhwach feared Ichigo's Bankai enough to go out of his way not to fight it, instead destroying it with his Almighty), far higher with Bankai and Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou (Both these techniques drastically raise Ichigo's destructive output)
- Striking Strength: Galactic (Comparable to his Attack Power), Universal, possibly Universal+ with Bankai (Comparable to his Attack Power) | Galactic (Comparable to his Attack Power), Universal, possibly Universal+ with Bankai (Comparable to his Attack Power)
- Durability: Galaxy level (Comparable to his Attack Power, blocked an attack from Almighty Yhwach, and is capable of surviving a barrage from a casual Soul King Yhwach), Universe level, possibly Universe level+ with Bankai (Comparable to his Attack Power, Bankai amplifies Ichigo's statistics) | Galaxy level (Comparable to his Attack Power, Hollowfication amplified Ichigo's statistics), Universe level, possibly Universe level+ with Bankai (Comparable to his Attack Power, Bankai amplifies Ichigo's statistics)
- Keys: True Zanpakuto | Merged Hollow Form
- Yhwach
- Tier: At least 3-B | At least 3-B | 3-A, possibly Low 2-C
- AP: At least Galaxy level (Stabbed the Weakened Soul King, burnt True Shikai Ichigo's arm, and claimed to be far superior to the Weakened Soul King) | At least Galaxy level (Stronger than before after absorbing Mimihagi) | Universe level, possibly Universe level+ (Significantly stronger than Senna's explosion, as he is able to remove the barrier between worlds which Senna's explosion was unable to do. Stated numerous times capable of destroying multiple realms and creating a new one, and without his power the world cannot stand. Grew more powerful after absorbing Ichigo's powers and the powers of his Sternritter)
- Striking Strength: At least Galactic (Comparable to his Attack Power) | At least Galactic (Comparable to his Attack Power) | Universal, possibly Universal+ (Comparable to his Attack Power)
- Durability: At least Galaxy level (Comparable to his Attack Power, tanked a Getsuga Tenshou from True Shikai Ichigo) | At least Galaxy level (Comparable to his Attack Power, more durable than before after absorbing Mimihagi) | Universe level, possibly Universe level+ (Comparable to his Attack Power, passively keeps the worlds from collapsing as the new Soul King)
- Keys: Almighty | Mimihagi-Absorbed | Soul King
- Aizen
- Tier: At least 3-B, likely 3-A, possibly Low 2-C
- AP: At least Galaxy level, likely Universe level, possibly Universe level+ (Capable of cutting through Soul King Yhwach's darkness and putting up a decent fight, and is one of three people alive capable of defeating Hikone's full powerm making him among the strongest in the entire verse)
- Striking Strength: At least Galactic, likely Universal, possibly Universal+ (Comparable to his Attack Power)
- Durability: At least Galaxy level, likely Universe level, possibly Universal level+ (Comparable to his Attack Power, withstood Soul King Yhwach's attack that destroyed his chair)
- Keys: Thousand Year Blood War Arc
- Soul King
- Tier: 3-B
- AP: Galaxy level (Passively prevents the collapse of the Bleach universe, which would occur over a maximum of 6 months, albeit it would likely occur much quicker. It should be noted that the Soul King in this state has no agency and cannot feasibly attack)
- Striking Strength: Unknown (Cannot strike due to a lack of arms)
- Durability: Galaxy level (Comparable to his Attack Power)
- Keys: Weakened
- Orihime
- Durability: At least Galaxy level, likely Universe level, possibly Universe level+ with Shun Shun Rikka (Blocked Soul King Yhwach's darkness and protected herself from True Shikai Ichigo's Hollowfication)
There are few typos, you wrote 3A instead of Universal into Ichigo rating for the AP.
in Aizen AP you wrote “powerm“ instead of power.
Also, I would personally leave out Hikone from the justification of Aizen and True Shikai Ichigo, because it doesn’t change the rating tbf, to not put too much stuff. The scaling from Yhwach is the important thing that give the rating.
The rest Is fine for me.
Thank you for the catch lol. I’ll fix when home.I think you mean Multi-Galaxy level, not Galaxy level.
I think it’s better to just scale off the safe end.It is heavily implied the collapse would be far faster than 6 months
curious, could wsk get a "possibly/likely higher" rating off of this:
It is heavily implied the collapse would be far faster than 6 months
Errors should be fixed.Here are the conclusions of this thread typed up nice and neatly, if someone can make sure I made no errors, I'll let this sit for another day before it can be applied.
- Ichigo
- Tier: 3-B, 3-A, possibly Low 2-C with Bankai | 3-B, 3-A, possibly Low 2-C with Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou, higher with Bankai, far higher with Bankai and Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou
- AP: Multi-Galaxy level (Cut down the Weakened Soul King, capable of cutting through a casual Soul King Yhwach's darkness, is one of three people alive capable of defeating Hikone's full power, making him among the strongest in the entire verse, and was even fit to replace the Soul King), Universe level, possibly Universe level+ (Killed Soul King Yhwach with a Getsuga Tenshou and again with the Zangetsu that appears from within as Yhwach's power was coming back to him) | Multi-Galaxy level (Hollowfication provides a tremendous boost to Ichigo's power), Universe level, possibly Universe level+ with Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou (Pierced Soul King Yhwach's defenses and forced Yhwach to open his Almighty eyes), higher with Bankai (Soul King Yhwach feared Ichigo's Bankai enough to go out of his way not to fight it, instead destroying it with his Almighty), far higher with Bankai and Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou (Both these techniques drastically raise Ichigo's destructive output)
- Striking Strength: Multi-Galactic (Comparable to his Attack Power), Universal, possibly Universal+ with Bankai (Comparable to his Attack Power) | Multi-Galactic (Comparable to his Attack Power), Universal, possibly Universal+ with Bankai (Comparable to his Attack Power)
- Durability: Multi-Galaxy level (Comparable to his Attack Power, blocked an attack from Almighty Yhwach, and is capable of surviving a barrage from a casual Soul King Yhwach), Universe level, possibly Universe level+ with Bankai (Comparable to his Attack Power, Bankai amplifies Ichigo's statistics) | Multi-Galaxy level (Comparable to his Attack Power, Hollowfication amplified Ichigo's statistics), Universe level, possibly Universe level+ with Bankai (Comparable to his Attack Power, Bankai amplifies Ichigo's statistics)
- Keys: True Zanpakuto | Merged Hollow Form
- Yhwach
- Tier: At least 3-B | At least 3-B | 3-A, possibly Low 2-C
- AP: At least Multi-Galaxy level (Stabbed the Weakened Soul King, burnt True Shikai Ichigo's arm, and claimed to be far superior to the Weakened Soul King) | At least Multi-Galaxy level (Stronger than before after absorbing Mimihagi) | Universe level, possibly Universe level+ (Significantly stronger than Senna's explosion, as he is able to remove the barrier between worlds which Senna's explosion was unable to do. Stated numerous times capable of destroying multiple realms and creating a new one, and without his power the world cannot stand. Grew more powerful after absorbing Ichigo's powers and the powers of his Sternritter)
- Striking Strength: At least Multi-Galactic (Comparable to his Attack Power) | At least Multi-Galactic (Comparable to his Attack Power) | Universal, possibly Universal+ (Comparable to his Attack Power)
- Durability: At least Multi-Galaxy level (Comparable to his Attack Power, tanked a Getsuga Tenshou from True Shikai Ichigo) | At least Multi-Galaxy level (Comparable to his Attack Power, more durable than before after absorbing Mimihagi) | Universe level, possibly Universe level+ (Comparable to his Attack Power, passively keeps the worlds from collapsing as the new Soul King)
- Keys: Almighty | Mimihagi-Absorbed | Soul King
- Aizen
- Tier: At least 3-B, likely 3-A, possibly Low 2-C
- AP: At least Multi-Galaxy level, likely Universe level, possibly Universe level+ (Capable of cutting through Soul King Yhwach's darkness and putting up a decent fight, and is one of three people alive capable of defeating Hikone's full power making him among the strongest in the entire verse)
- Striking Strength: At least Multi-Galactic, likely Universal, possibly Universal+ (Comparable to his Attack Power)
- Durability: At least Multi-Galaxy level, likely Universe level, possibly Universal level+ (Comparable to his Attack Power, withstood Soul King Yhwach's attack that destroyed his chair)
- Keys: Thousand Year Blood War Arc
- Soul King
- Tier: 3-B
- AP: Multi-Galaxy level (Passively prevents the collapse of the Bleach universe, which would occur over a maximum of 6 months, albeit it would likely occur much quicker. It should be noted that the Soul King in this state has no agency and cannot feasibly attack)
- Striking Strength: Unknown (Cannot strike due to a lack of arms)
- Durability: Multi-Galaxy level (Comparable to his Attack Power)
- Keys: Weakened
- Orihime
- Durability: At least Multi-Galaxy level, likely Universe level, possibly Universe level+ with Shun Shun Rikka (Blocked Soul King Yhwach's darkness and protected herself from True Shikai Ichigo's Hollowfication)
Edit: Some good bois helped catch some errors lol, they're fixed.
I put it in there as a "hey these guys > the rest of the verse" as it directly states so more or less. Think of it as a deterrent for mrks who are going to try and scale people to the God Tiers.Also, I would personally leave out Hikone from the justification of Aizen and True Shikai Ichigo, because it doesn’t change the rating tbf, to not put too much stuff. The scaling from Yhwach is the important thing that give the rating.
I just hope they don’t say well since Kenpachi’s one of the people who can easily deal with Hikone he should scale lolI put it in there as a "hey these guys > the rest of the verse" as it directly states so more or less. Think of it as a deterrent for mrks who are going to try and scale people to the God Tiers.
Yeah, it will be 1-BBleach ain’t even getting 2-C
Bleach ain’t even getting 2-C
**** Aizen gets tier 0 ig
**** Aizen gets tier 0 ig
Bleach ain’t even getting 2-C
Considering it is her only feat in the arc post prep in Hueco Mundo with Kisuke it literally cannot be an antifeatalthough maybe add Inoue blocking Yhwach's attacks as a potential antifeat
Askin tagging a non-full power TS Ichigo off screen with a surprise hax isn't an antifeat (went over this in depth in the OP if you're curious)A) Askin's added as a potential antifeat.
Arguments from incredulity mean nothing to me, if someone pulls up with the "Orihime seems weak to me" I will laugh and ignoreB) Inoue's seen as a weak character so this might be brought up.
That's a good question tbf. Mimihagi has no tier and is treated solely as hax, Askin influencing Ichigo isn't as valid for Askin as you think (detailed in the OP), Mayuri has godly tech yeah but his seals aren't a hax ability it's developed technology, Nanana affecting Aizen can be chalked up to Aizen having holes in his reiatsu (making him prone to Nanana's hax tbf). The only one with a really valid hax feat is Uryu being the "antithesis" to Yhwach's hax.That said, I'm curious on how NLF will work with bleach characters from now on, considering the huge amounts of haxx they have. Since characters from vastly lower tiers can influence the god tiers with haxx (Mimihagi influencing Yhwach and Uryuu stated by Haschwalth to have the potential to influence Yhwach, Mayuri's seals affecting Aizen (we know they do because NaNaNa Najahkoop knocked Aizen out which would obviously be impossible without them) and Askin influencing Ichigo). Does it even exist or do we have to add to all characters that "they can potentially influence characters up to Tier 3 with their haxx"?
Considering it is her only feat in the arc post prep in Hueco Mundo with Kisuke it literally cannot be an antifeat
I should've probably worded what I was trying to say better. What I meant was that since Askin's "antifeat" is disproven in OP, Inoue's "antifeat" should also be disproven so as to not be used in pointless arguments. I just checked the entire thread though for anything related, and considering I'm really the only one even worried for it to be used in pointless arguments, I was literally doing what I don't want to happen which is kind of funny in hindsight.Askin tagging a non-full power TS Ichigo off screen with a surprise hax isn't an antifeat (went over this in depth in the OP if you're curious)
it's more of that Askin can even touch 3-A characters being super casual. Do we consider that some haxx actually have no limits in the confines of the Verse, and thus potentially outside it?That's a good question tbf. Mimihagi has no tier and is treated solely as hax, Askin influencing Ichigo isn't as valid for Askin as you think (detailed in the OP)
There still is untapped sealing haxx in Bleach as Reiō even if willingly was bound by some kidō, but this is more of a "things that are not 3-A can affect 3-A characters in Bleach, so can other Bleach haxx that aren't 3-A affect 3-A characters?Mayuri has godly tech yeah but his seals aren't a hax ability it's developed technology,
That point was more to bolster the fact that Mayuri seals are pretty good, and to counter any arguments on the lines of "Aizen was being casual, the seals were literally worthless" as opposed to actually bolster NaNaNa and upgrade him or give antifeats.Nanana affecting Aizen can be chalked up to Aizen having holes in his reiatsu (making him prone to Nanana's hax tbf).
I do think other arguments also hold water, but this is definitely the one with the most oomph to actually upgrade Bleach haxx range (yes I'm actually pro of upgrading the verse even more lol)The only one with a really valid hax feat is Uryu being the "antithesis" to Yhwach's hax.
I certainly think that's worthy of it's own thread, considering it is a bit of a derailment of this thread's proposals. My tentative answer is that if a character displays hax that can affect a tier X character then yeah they can affect tier X characters (given the tier X character isn't restricted or restrained in any way).what I'm meaning to ask is do we actually sit down to determine which haxx can work on the god tiers of Bleach and thus by extension 3-A characters?
in that VS pernida could win, yesThis question was more to ask if arguments like Pernida vs Goku (speed equalised, Battle of Gods key but starts in base) can even be taken as valid because technically Pernida should be comparable to Mimihagi (even if the VSBW doesn't tier Mimihagi yet, they should be comparable), and since Pernida is a part of Reiō, his haxx at least should work on 3-A to low 2-C characters, and Goku is probably going to get tagged by his nerves (speed equalised). Thus... Pernida actually has wincons. Since this all checks out, what I'm meaning to ask is do we actually sit down to determine which haxx can work on the god tiers of Bleach and thus by extension 3-A characters?
This question was more to ask if arguments like Pernida vs Goku (speed equalised, Battle of Gods key but starts in base) can even be taken as valid because technically Pernida should be comparable to Mimihagi (even if the VSBW doesn't tier Mimihagi yet, they should be comparable), and since Pernida is a part of Reiō, his haxx at least should work on 3-A to low 2-C characters, and Goku is probably going to get tagged by his nerves (speed equalised). Thus... Pernida actually has wincons. Since this all checks out, what I'm meaning to ask is do we actually sit down to determine which haxx can work on the god tiers of Bleach and thus by extension 3-A characters?
that would be the case if u are talking bout Higher D charactersMy tentative answer is that if a character displays hax that can affect a tier X character then yeah they can affect tier X characters (given the tier X character isn't restricted or restrained in any way).
unless they are Higher D by nature, in which case any lower D hax would not workThis is not the thread to do so, and Hax are not bunded by AP here, if you don't have resistance the tier doesn't matter.
Fair enough.I certainly think that's worthy of it's own thread, considering it is a bit of a derailment of this thread's proposals.
Ah, this is just me not knowing the rules then. I thought No Limit Fallacy was a thing here too, it seems this is the rule of thumb for haxx here:unless they are Higher D by nature, in which case any lower D hax would not work
Thus I stand corrected and won't derail the thread further.that would be the case if u are talking bout Higher D characters
if both are 3D it does not matter if one is tier 9 and the other 3-A
I contacted Elizhaa and asked them to unlock the profiles and then Tyri and I will apply the changes.So this is applicable now?