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Here are the conclusions of this thread typed up nice and neatly, if someone can make sure I made no errors, I'll let this sit for another day before it can be applied.

Edit: Some good bois helped catch some errors lol, they're fixed.
 
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Here are the conclusions of this thread typed up nice and neatly, if someone can make sure I made no errors, I'll let this sit for another day before it can be applied.
Why does Soul King scale only 3B ?
 
There are few typos, you wrote 3A instead of Universal into Ichigo rating for the AP.
in Aizen AP you wrote “powerm“ instead of power.
Also, I would personally leave out Hikone from the justification of Aizen and True Shikai Ichigo, because it doesn’t change the rating tbf, to not put too much stuff. The scaling from Yhwach is the important thing that give the rating.
The rest Is fine for me.
 
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Here are the conclusions of this thread typed up nice and neatly, if someone can make sure I made no errors, I'll let this sit for another day before it can be applied.
I think you mean Multi-Galaxy level, not Galaxy level.
 
curious, could wsk get a "possibly/likely higher" rating off of this:
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It is heavily implied the collapse would be far faster than 6 months
 
There are few typos, you wrote 3A instead of Universal into Ichigo rating for the AP.
in Aizen AP you wrote “powerm“ instead of power.
Also, I would personally leave out Hikone from the justification of Aizen and True Shikai Ichigo, because it doesn’t change the rating tbf, to not put too much stuff. The scaling from Yhwach is the important thing that give the rating.
The rest Is fine for me.
I think you mean Multi-Galaxy level, not Galaxy level.
Thank you for the catch lol. I’ll fix when home.


It is heavily implied the collapse would be far faster than 6 months
I think it’s better to just scale off the safe end.
 
Here are the conclusions of this thread typed up nice and neatly, if someone can make sure I made no errors, I'll let this sit for another day before it can be applied.

Edit: Some good bois helped catch some errors lol, they're fixed.
Errors should be fixed.
 
Also, I would personally leave out Hikone from the justification of Aizen and True Shikai Ichigo, because it doesn’t change the rating tbf, to not put too much stuff. The scaling from Yhwach is the important thing that give the rating.
I put it in there as a "hey these guys > the rest of the verse" as it directly states so more or less. Think of it as a deterrent for mrks who are going to try and scale people to the God Tiers.
 
I put it in there as a "hey these guys > the rest of the verse" as it directly states so more or less. Think of it as a deterrent for mrks who are going to try and scale people to the God Tiers.
I just hope they don’t say well since Kenpachi’s one of the people who can easily deal with Hikone he should scale lol
 
I fixed all the formatting... since by linking everything under the same link it is not possible to link the various profiles that scale to each other, so now people can access to the various profiles by linking the name. Much better.
 
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I agree, although maybe add Inoue blocking Yhwach's attacks as a potential antifeat. I obviously say potential because Inoue's power is haxx that even Aizen acknowledged is to be "trespassing in God's realm", thus possibly comparable to the absolute strongest beings of the verse (and it depends on emotions as opposed to reiryoku) implying it's consistent and not an anitfeat. It would probably be okay to add to the argument as:

A) Askin's added as a potential antifeat.
B) Inoue's seen as a weak character so this might be brought up.

That said, I'm curious on how NLF will work with bleach characters from now on, considering the huge amounts of haxx they have. Since characters from vastly lower tiers can influence the god tiers with haxx (Mimihagi influencing Yhwach and Uryuu stated by Haschwalth to have the potential to influence Yhwach, Mayuri's seals affecting Aizen (we know they do because NaNaNa Najahkoop knocked Aizen out which would obviously be impossible without them) and Askin influencing Ichigo). Does it even exist or do we have to add to all characters that "they can potentially influence characters up to Tier 3 with their haxx"?
 
although maybe add Inoue blocking Yhwach's attacks as a potential antifeat
Considering it is her only feat in the arc post prep in Hueco Mundo with Kisuke it literally cannot be an antifeat

A) Askin's added as a potential antifeat.
Askin tagging a non-full power TS Ichigo off screen with a surprise hax isn't an antifeat (went over this in depth in the OP if you're curious)

B) Inoue's seen as a weak character so this might be brought up.
Arguments from incredulity mean nothing to me, if someone pulls up with the "Orihime seems weak to me" I will laugh and ignore

That said, I'm curious on how NLF will work with bleach characters from now on, considering the huge amounts of haxx they have. Since characters from vastly lower tiers can influence the god tiers with haxx (Mimihagi influencing Yhwach and Uryuu stated by Haschwalth to have the potential to influence Yhwach, Mayuri's seals affecting Aizen (we know they do because NaNaNa Najahkoop knocked Aizen out which would obviously be impossible without them) and Askin influencing Ichigo). Does it even exist or do we have to add to all characters that "they can potentially influence characters up to Tier 3 with their haxx"?
That's a good question tbf. Mimihagi has no tier and is treated solely as hax, Askin influencing Ichigo isn't as valid for Askin as you think (detailed in the OP), Mayuri has godly tech yeah but his seals aren't a hax ability it's developed technology, Nanana affecting Aizen can be chalked up to Aizen having holes in his reiatsu (making him prone to Nanana's hax tbf). The only one with a really valid hax feat is Uryu being the "antithesis" to Yhwach's hax.
 
Considering it is her only feat in the arc post prep in Hueco Mundo with Kisuke it literally cannot be an antifeat

Askin tagging a non-full power TS Ichigo off screen with a surprise hax isn't an antifeat (went over this in depth in the OP if you're curious)
I should've probably worded what I was trying to say better. What I meant was that since Askin's "antifeat" is disproven in OP, Inoue's "antifeat" should also be disproven so as to not be used in pointless arguments. I just checked the entire thread though for anything related, and considering I'm really the only one even worried for it to be used in pointless arguments, I was literally doing what I don't want to happen which is kind of funny in hindsight.
That's a good question tbf. Mimihagi has no tier and is treated solely as hax, Askin influencing Ichigo isn't as valid for Askin as you think (detailed in the OP)
it's more of that Askin can even touch 3-A characters being super casual. Do we consider that some haxx actually have no limits in the confines of the Verse, and thus potentially outside it?
Mayuri has godly tech yeah but his seals aren't a hax ability it's developed technology,
There still is untapped sealing haxx in Bleach as Reiō even if willingly was bound by some kidō, but this is more of a "things that are not 3-A can affect 3-A characters in Bleach, so can other Bleach haxx that aren't 3-A affect 3-A characters?
Nanana affecting Aizen can be chalked up to Aizen having holes in his reiatsu (making him prone to Nanana's hax tbf).
That point was more to bolster the fact that Mayuri seals are pretty good, and to counter any arguments on the lines of "Aizen was being casual, the seals were literally worthless" as opposed to actually bolster NaNaNa and upgrade him or give antifeats.
The only one with a really valid hax feat is Uryu being the "antithesis" to Yhwach's hax.
I do think other arguments also hold water, but this is definitely the one with the most oomph to actually upgrade Bleach haxx range (yes I'm actually pro of upgrading the verse even more lol)

This question was more to ask if arguments like Pernida vs Goku (speed equalised, Battle of Gods key but starts in base) can even be taken as valid because technically Pernida should be comparable to Mimihagi (even if the VSBW doesn't tier Mimihagi yet, they should be comparable), and since Pernida is a part of Reiō, his haxx at least should work on 3-A to low 2-C characters, and Goku is probably going to get tagged by his nerves (speed equalised). Thus... Pernida actually has wincons. Since this all checks out, what I'm meaning to ask is do we actually sit down to determine which haxx can work on the god tiers of Bleach and thus by extension 3-A characters?
 
"it's more of that Askin can even touch 3-A characters"

u know tier 3 is still a 3rd dimensional being right? anyone can affect people that are on the same dimensionality as long as they have resistance to the hax used on them
 
what I'm meaning to ask is do we actually sit down to determine which haxx can work on the god tiers of Bleach and thus by extension 3-A characters?
I certainly think that's worthy of it's own thread, considering it is a bit of a derailment of this thread's proposals. My tentative answer is that if a character displays hax that can affect a tier X character then yeah they can affect tier X characters (given the tier X character isn't restricted or restrained in any way).
 
This question was more to ask if arguments like Pernida vs Goku (speed equalised, Battle of Gods key but starts in base) can even be taken as valid because technically Pernida should be comparable to Mimihagi (even if the VSBW doesn't tier Mimihagi yet, they should be comparable), and since Pernida is a part of Reiō, his haxx at least should work on 3-A to low 2-C characters, and Goku is probably going to get tagged by his nerves (speed equalised). Thus... Pernida actually has wincons. Since this all checks out, what I'm meaning to ask is do we actually sit down to determine which haxx can work on the god tiers of Bleach and thus by extension 3-A characters?
in that VS pernida could win, yes

goku is a 3D being, so any 3D hax can affect him or any other 3D being as long as they dont have resistance to them or the resistances are not 4D and above
 
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This question was more to ask if arguments like Pernida vs Goku (speed equalised, Battle of Gods key but starts in base) can even be taken as valid because technically Pernida should be comparable to Mimihagi (even if the VSBW doesn't tier Mimihagi yet, they should be comparable), and since Pernida is a part of Reiō, his haxx at least should work on 3-A to low 2-C characters, and Goku is probably going to get tagged by his nerves (speed equalised). Thus... Pernida actually has wincons. Since this all checks out, what I'm meaning to ask is do we actually sit down to determine which haxx can work on the god tiers of Bleach and thus by extension 3-A characters?

This is not the thread to do so, and Hax are not bunded by AP here, if you don't have resistance the tier doesn't matter.
 
I certainly think that's worthy of it's own thread, considering it is a bit of a derailment of this thread's proposals.
Fair enough.
unless they are Higher D by nature, in which case any lower D hax would not work
Ah, this is just me not knowing the rules then. I thought No Limit Fallacy was a thing here too, it seems this is the rule of thumb for haxx here:
that would be the case if u are talking bout Higher D characters

if both are 3D it does not matter if one is tier 9 and the other 3-A
Thus I stand corrected and won't derail the thread further.

Well I agree with the overall changes to the AP and tiers of the God Tiers+Orihime then. Since there's nothing more to add on my part this'll be my final comment on this thread.
 
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