I'm doing this for chaos - Grimmon vs Misogi Kumagawa

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

We should stop praying for him

He is getting stronger and has escaped the hospital

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

So, has the Kumagawa spam started up again?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I kinda don't wanna spam him for once. I like him as a chill dude that is generally accepted as OP without everyone taking his head and putting it up every character with a possible counter to him's ass

It will also make people dislike him like Medaka

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Oh yeah, btw

@Dragonmasterxyz

Could you open Kumagawa's profile? I need to add 2 matches to it

 

[Seventy96]

Starting distance: 10m

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Ok great. Inconclusive it is then

 

[Seventy96]

Grimmon: 5 (The God Of Procrastinatio ShadowWarrior1999 Xtasyamphetamine ABoogieYesSir Schnee One )

Misogi: O


Thunder McQueen: 1 (Iapitus The Impaler )

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

All of the votes for Grimmon are just based on that he will mind hax but in no way accounts for that Kumagawa is just as likely to pull out his stuff right off the bat too. They are do not account for all the information and are therefore invalid

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Switching to the inconclusive then.

 

[Schnee_One]

All of the votes for Grimmon are just based on that he will mind hax but in no way accounts for that Kumagawa is just as likely to pull out his stuff right off the bat too. They are do not account for all the information and are therefore invalid

Err

They're actually 100% right since that was exactly what would happen with SBA range which is what it was.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

At which point it would have been a stomp. The range was changed so it is not the case

They were right if the fight was at a distance that it wasn't a real fight

 

[Schnee_One]

That has nothing to do with what I said at all however

"They do not account for all the information" and "Likely to pull out his stuff off the bat too" are absolutely correct under SBA range.

The only reason they're not accounted for are because the rules were changed, not for the reasons you stated

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

The latter part does, however.

Either way, the votes are invalid

 

[Seventy96]

Grimmon: 4 (The God Of Procrastinatio ShadowWarrior1999 ABoogieYesSir Schnee One )

Misogi: O


Thunder McQueen: 2 (Iapitus The Impaler Xtasyamphetamine )

 

[Schnee_One]

No it doesn't, under SBA range, Grimmon mindhaxes.

So yes, it was valid

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

At SBA range, its a stomp, so they are only valid under a stomp match

 

[Schnee_One]

So what?

They're 100% correct under that range,

Anyway, enough derailing, what exactly happens with the range now? Does Misogi just blitz him and use bookmaker or is there another thing he does

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Anyway, the point of what I was saying is that Grimmon doesn't have 4 votes

At this range, he goes for

1) Time Stop Book Maker Blitz

2) Screw Spawn

3) Book Maker Spawn

or, to a lesser likelyhood

4) Time Stop Blitz with Normal Screws, but it comes out to the same thing as 2

Basically just comes down to is who lands their stuff first on the quick draw, so its inconclusive

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Are they all thought based?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

All Fiction, which is what he uses to Time Stop Blitz, is. Screw Spawn and Book Maker Spawn are also both thought based.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Scans plz

 

[Schnee_One]

Does Bookmaker null stuff or is there more to it?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

First off, its stated on his profile. Here is an example of him using screw spawn with a thought. Here is him stating that he can use All Fiction with a thought. I can provide examples of him using it without lifting a finger if you want. If you want an example of him spawning Book Maker, look no further than Leg Eating forest. Behold him spawning an entire room full of screws, and then spawning one straight through both his target and himself

 

[Schnee_One]

Him doing it with a thought I can get behind.

I'm just wondering if. And this is probably a rather irrelevant point tbh, but would the screws just outright kill Grimmon through sheer AP alone?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Does Bookmaker null stuff or is there more to it?

It brings the target completely down to Kumagawa's level. Stats, Mentality, Intelligence, Skill, Personality, etc. But there is a bit more to it then that. Having a Minus is inherently toxic to the user, and having such a negetive personality is destructive. Taking on a minus personality and mentality is enough to incapacitate from the shock. It also seals and nulls their abilities as well. Usually it would come down to a stalemate, but Kumagawa still has All Fiction

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I'm just wondering if. And this is probably a rather irrelevant point tbh, but would the screws just outright kill Grimmon through sheer AP alone?

The normal screws probably could, but spawning them directly into someone bypasses durability as well. The Book Maker screws deal little to no real damage tho, just to clarify. Someone could reasonably survive for extended periods of time with a Book Maker screw straight through multiple of their organs. Its more the sealing that matters

 

[Schnee_One]

Hmm....

So does he usually lead with bookmaker screw after time Stop?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

He often goes to blitz them with a book maker screw. It is one of his most common leads, along with the ones already mentioned

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Inconclusive.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Inconclusive FRA

 

[Schnee_One]

He often goes to blitz them with a book maker screw. It is one of his most common leads, along with the ones already mentioned

So wait

Misogi blitzes, bookmakers Grimmon

Grimmon then mindhaxes as Misogi hasn't nulled 2A mindhax?

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

He gets oneshotted though.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

What if Grimmon mindhaxes first?

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

They both have thought based abilities though, it seems inconclusive.

 

[Schnee_One]

He gets oneshotted though.

But Bookmaker doesn't do damage

Depending on the answer, I have a surprise

 

[Schnee_One]

What if Grimmon mindhaxes first?

That's irrelevant?

BTW Grimmon uses Chronos DSR as well on occasion, so in that case Misogi wins if Grimmon doesn't mindhax

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

So wait

Misogi blitzes, bookmakers Grimmon

Grimmon then mindhaxes as Misogi hasn't nulled 2A mindhax?

Book Maker is also not normal sealing. Just because you theoretically could use something, it also prevents you. He can seal and null style users despite them, for all purposes in this case, are immune to being nulled because they aren't "powers." It deprives tham of the capacity, intelligence, strength, skill, focus, mentality, will, etc. to use a technique.

And aside from that, Grimmon would get incapacitated from the shock of Book Maker anyway. He lacks the precedence to be able to deal with a Minus mentality. He will either pass out, or at best, go comatose

 

[Schnee_One]

In that case, Misogi wins

Grimmon doesn't always lead with mindhax, he leads with Cronus DSR as well from 10 meters away. I can bring scans if necessary,

50/50 of he does, Misogi wins if he doesn't

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Oh, alright then. I guess Imma change my vote to Kumagawa

 

[Schnee_One]

....

I just debunked your reasons for Incon didn't I