Im acctually losing my mind

[Agnaa]

If it's over a finite timeframe why not?

I mean obviously no one is scaling Edo Tensei casters from Naruto to Universal+, but is there a reason besides incredulity?

Because it makes sense that if you can create a bucket that refills infinitely, in like, an instant, you would have infinite energy

Generally because those sorts of things aren't presented as there being a blob of infinite energy/mass somewhere that's being drained, and only not running out due to the infinite block to pull from. Rather, it's typically more because the things one would expect to take energy inexplicably don't exhaust any. We could imagine reasons for this (recovering the finite energy needed at any moment somehow, or it simply being some supernatural alteration of reality such that it doesn't take any energy), but it's generally just because of common fictional presentations.

 

[Ezaru]

Generally because those sorts of things aren't presented as there being a blob of infinite energy/mass somewhere that's being drained, and only not running out due to the infinite block to pull from. Rather, it's typically more because the things one would expect to take energy inexplicably don't exhaust any. We could imagine reasons for this (recovering the finite energy needed at any moment somehow, or it simply being some supernatural alteration of reality such that it doesn't take any energy), but it's generally just because of common fictional presentations.

So basically it's treated as hax?

That makes sense

The energy example doesn't really work here, the rice literally replaces itself so it has to be like, infinite rice

But I see why it wouldn't be accepted even if it is techincally universal, for the same reason destroying a small space time or small 4d object isn't considered uncountably infinite/2-C

 

[Saqphire]

Generally because those sorts of things aren't presented as there being a blob of infinite energy/mass somewhere that's being drained, and only not running out due to the infinite block to pull from. Rather, it's typically more because the things one would expect to take energy inexplicably don't exhaust any. We could imagine reasons for this (recovering the finite energy needed at any moment somehow, or it simply being some supernatural alteration of reality such that it doesn't take any energy), but it's generally just because of common fictional presentations.

So you'd be saying that the salt would be infinite in the sense that it's infinitely regenerating from an infinite source, but the salt itself isn't infinite all the time (and thus the god of salt wouldn't produce it at an infinite output) ? If so then yeah I'm definitely disagreeing with the God of Salt part of the CRT

 

[Agnaa]

So you'd be saying that the salt would be infinite in the sense that it's infinitely regenerating from an infinite source, but the salt itself isn't infinite all the time (and thus the god of salt wouldn't produce it at an infinite output) ? If so then yeah I'm definitely disagreeing with the God of Salt part of the CRT

Pretty much.

 

[Woomica]

bump

 

[DivinumAeterna]

"But havria was killed by a sword" even do this seems like an anti feat, it is stated that the sword was similar in power to her

Question: why did you reverse the order of the sources? Because this manipulates the context of the statements in your favor: Wanyan is the one wrong about the sword belonging to Havria (misinterpreting its nature in her fanatic mania), when in reality as Zhongli stated it's just a sword that was used in Havria's murder, not stated to have any special properties whatsoever. So yes, it IS an anti-feat, getting killed by a normal sword. Which, you know, is in line with her being the weakest.

 

[Puppet43]

Wanyan is the one wrong about the sword belonging to Havria (misinterpreting its nature in her fanatic mania), when in reality as Zhongli stated it's just a sword that was used in Havria's murder,

Zhongli never contradicts her statment of the sword having similar power to her, just that it wasnt her sword

not stated to have any special properties whatsoever

if a weapon destroys a character able to destroy a planet and tank that, we can deduce the sword is above Planet lvl or has Durability Negation

 

[DivinumAeterna]

Zhongli never contradicts her statment of the sword having similar power to her, just that it wasnt her sword

You're just assuming that the sword has a similar power to her, to which there is no basis. The logic should be "ordinary until proven otherwise", not the other way around... So no, you shouldn't be able to upscale the sword to 2-C on the basis that it killed a character who you assume to be 2-C without it being expressly stated that the sword is that powerful. As far as in-story suggestions go, Havria's durability was so bad she got killed by a regular people's weapon.

 

[Agnaa]

if a weapon destroys a character able to destroy a planet and tank that, we can deduce the sword is above Planet lvl or has Durability Negation

If it's non-ordinary weapon, sure. But if it's an ordinary weapon, we then have to weigh the character's feats that are above the level of that weapon, against their anti-feats, where being vulnerable to that weapon would be an anti-feat. If they've got more above, then sure, the weapon would be strong. But otherwise, the character would be weak.

 

[Puppet43]

You're just assuming that the sword has a similar power to her,

Im not assuming, is straight up confirmed

The logic should be

The logic is X ap > y Dura = y ap

As far as in-story suggestions go, Havria's durability was so bad she got killed by a regular people's weapon.

You say this as if we havent see human weaponry in Genshin fighting gods (Shouki no Kami, Khaenriah WHOLE point, Noelle weapon's who is stated to crack mountains)

If it's non-ordinary weapon, sure.

Then is the same case as here, as is never contradicted the statment of "The sword has a power comparable to that of Havria" and that is to say that Zhongli went in a rampage debunking every misconception the Fangirl had over Havria, like saying she was a strong god, the sword was her weapon and even show her havria's corpse

 

[DivinumAeterna]

Im not assuming, is straight up confirmed

I don't see a point in addressing any of your other mentioned arguments if you're acting in bad faith and avoiding citing the sources of these supposed confirmations aside from "trust me bro it's a 2-C AP sword because Khaenri'ah did it!!!" (nevermind that Khaenri'ah is the most technologically advanced nation in Teyvat with actual feats and statements to back up their weapons unlike the toothpick used to kill Havria). Just count me as disagree, please.

 

[Woomica]

Bump, infinite salt high 3-A stuff seems rejected and continue arguing it seems circular, should we get input of nahida 2-C stuff?

 

[GarrixianXD]

Like I said before, I completely disagree with the proposals provided by the OP. 2-C for Nahida would not work at all since the individual spaces created by the Samsara aren't remotely Universal sized, and not to mention iirc, it all occurred in a dream.

 

[Puppet43]

the individual spaces created by the Samsara aren't remotely Universal sized, and not to mention iirc, it all occurred in a dream.

the tier 2 description doesnt say anything about universe size but quote

Characters or objects that can significantly affect, create and/or destroy small multiverses composed of two to a thousand separate space-time continuums, or an equivalent.

It doesnt say that the space contaning those multiple STC has to be universal size

 

[Puppet43]

I don't see a point in addressing any of your other mentioned arguments if you're acting in bad faith and avoiding citing the sources of these supposed confirmations aside from "trust me bro it's a 2-C AP sword because Khaenri'ah did it!!!"

I never say that the sword has Khaenri'ah Origins, thats some StrawMan there
Could you tell me an example where im evading the evidence in this argument?

 

[Agnaa]

the tier 2 description doesnt say anything about universe size but quote

It doesnt say that the space contaning those multiple STC has to be universal size

It's still a requirement, despite being absent from that brief description.

You can see it mentioned in the Creation Feats page.

 

[Puppet43]

You can see it mentioned in the Creation Feats page.

Could you link the page for Pocket Reality?

 

[Agnaa]

Could you link the page for Pocket Reality?

This is the page for that, look at the third section.

 

[Hixkaryana]

This is gonna end with zero upgrades