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[Frostyyyy12]

Yes but like what I'm saying is they aren't throwing Phlogiston fire balls and such they probably just used it to power tools and for their phlogiston engravings like they do now.

They use that for everything bro. Everything they do is amplified by phlogiston. Their punches likely have them amplifying their body with phlogiston as well. It’s basically their life source at this point. They obviously aren’t throwing fireballs, but those are a different case.

Seriously? Christ I thought I knew Genshin lore. Was it mentioned in an artifact set?

Which point are you referring to? If you mean the one with Xbalanque’s people:

...Their grasp of Phlogiston is still no more refined than the vishaps, yet it is enough to counteract our power — given the right circumstances......If the traitor had not handed the knowledge of fire to another race...

No, even without the power of Phlogiston......He was right all along. The civilization we Dragons created has stagnated for too long. The grasping hands of humanity have ascended the Sacred Mountain and infringed upon our domain, yet we did not sense their climb...
- Iridescent Legacy Part 1

Or the elements part: Nahida says in her second story quest that only elemental beings actually generate elemental energy from themselves. Everything else actually just harnesses it from the surrounding.

Yes but normal humans can't use the elements without an aid.

Phlogiston is an entirely different case compared to the elements. Also, i think ancient people of Nodkrai and later would contend this?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

They use that for everything bro. Everything they do is amplified by phlogiston. Their punches likely have them amplifying their body with phlogiston as well. It’s basically their life source at this point. They obviously aren’t throwing fireballs, but those are a different case.

Which point are you referring to? If you mean the one with Xbalanque’s people:

...Their grasp of Phlogiston is still no more refined than the vishaps, yet it is enough to counteract our power — given the right circumstances......If the traitor had not handed the knowledge of fire to another race...

No, even without the power of Phlogiston......He was right all along. The civilization we Dragons created has stagnated for too long. The grasping hands of humanity have ascended the Sacred Mountain and infringed upon our domain, yet we did not sense their climb...
- Iridescent Legacy Part 1

Or the elements part: Nahida says in her second story quest that only elemental beings actually generate elemental energy from themselves. Everything else actually just harnesses it from the surrounding.

Phlogiston is an entirely different case compared to the elements. Also, i think ancient people of Nodkrai and later would contend this?

Ok so they control Phlogiston that is around but not generate it so like if you took a Natlanese outside Natlan they'd be weaker?

Dawg you hsve my respect as a lore head.

Didn't ancient Nod Krai people have to do eugenics stuff to make people who could utilise Kuuvaki?

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Ok so they control Phlogiston that is around but not generate it so like if you took a Natlanese outside Natlan they'd be weaker?

Yes. That’s something i said to you before actually. When i said that Mavuika would be weaker in Khaenri’ah, this is one of the reasons as to why. She does not have access to the Nightkingdom properly as well.

Didn't ancient Nod Krai people have to do eugenics stuff to make people who could utilise Kuuvaki?

I was specially referring to stuff even beyond that, but i can’t really be bothered to go through that world quest again to bring up the source.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I was specially referring to stuff even beyond that, but i can’t really be bothered to go through that world quest again to bring up the source.

Don't worry about it. I'll take your word for it rn and do my own reading.

 

[Puppet43]

but you do know that energy (rate of doing work) increases with the force applied right? This is the most basic formula ever. All you did was raise your sword, you didn’t try to stab me at full force, and you didn’t try to apply your energy into that.
Then show me when Traveler didn't do this

Do you think Naruto’s punch scales to Naruto’s punch when he’s infusing Chakra into it?

I mean, i can show a scene of Kakashi physicalls being equal to his Chidori/Lightnining Chakra

Traveler’s physicals aren’t shown to do significant damage, they have to gang together with skirk and even then, Skofnunger isn’t as affected.

"Skof not affected" and then is him not able to move an inch because of how many slashes he getting at the same time

He was using his elements against Rerir several times

Where is the evidence?

He also used what is likely shown to be Geo against SnK, and possibly anemo due to how the Wind gathers up.

The gold slashes arent Geo, is the sword effect
This is what a headcanon looks like

his sword strikes have Nightsoul animations.

Nightsouls are explicitily shown to cover bodies entire area

This never happened.

Yeah, just refuse to take any evidence given THAT WHAT A TRUE LARPER DOES

Why do you think Dvalin brought it up, and they let Varka take the final strike

Dvalin's statement doesn't imply anything; it's literally a joke, saying, "Hey, now you can be the hero of Mondstandt." That's why Varka responds with another unserious line: "I'd rather be a knight than a hero." And it's not like "they let him attack the weak point"—in fact, Venti already tried; he was simply the one who got there first.

that can happen

"Can" guys, we present u, POTENTIAL SCALING

Imbuing someone with your energy can also just refer to healing them especially since that’s what happens in the gameplay. Prove that imbuing someone with energy means that they are getting amped stat wise.

Of course, because 2e Traveler is god damn Zhongli lvl, even do he couldnt even face Osial alone, a threath that Zhongli handle alone

If they were actually able to draw upon all its strength, are you saying they were as strong as Canon? Because they weren’t, and the 6.3 event says that Traveler was stronger without the Moon Marrow, showing it wasn’t significant.

Yes i scale Canon to Marrow Traveler, since the Marrows are litterally stated to be the equivalent of a gnosis, containing energy
And by the time of said event, Traveler had Columbina's amp and Skirk had no knowledge of Moon's marrow. Since Nod Krai Annecdotes take place in the middle of Luna I, before getting the marrow. So bassicly she saying he is stronger than Nod Krai self

Mistranslation:

“Mr. Zhongli, how have you been recently? Hmm… not bad? Looks like he’s actually adapting quite well to living as a ‘mortal.’
Damn it… he really had me completely fooled. Only a proper, all-out fight will settle this resentment of mine!
You’re saying… I can’t beat him? Hahaha…”

If its a misstranslation then how is bassicly the same idea of him being no match for Gnosiless Zhongli?
"But the Traveler said it" yeah and Traveler had witness both users at their current peak, Traveler got first hand exp against Tarta and saw what zhongli was capable when facing Adzhada

Were no match for Osial? This is straight headcanon:
“Faced with the terrifying might of the Overlord of the Vortex, you fight bitterly but are ultimately unable to protect the Guizhong Ballistas. The Overlord of the Vortex, however, is also badly wounded. To protect Liyue, Ningguang sacrifices the Jade Chamber, plunging it into the ocean and successfully suppressing the evil god”
- Travel log Summary

Oh yeah lets totally forget the fact that 6 Adeptus needed to amp us in order to thrown a flying house at him, just to SEAL IT
We didn't even outmatch him physically like what they did with Beisht. No, we just SEAL HIM

Traveler started using his sword anywhere after 4.6 and before 5.0.

Could u show me an instance of any Fontaine Arc (4.6 -4.8) cutscene where Traveler uses the new sword?

The fake sky knowledge was already revealed to us back in 1.1 in the Unreconciled Stars event. Moreover, the Traveler is a descender, someone who’s crossed the border of Tevyat, and in the 1.1 event, even Mona mentions the fake sky. Moreover, the Traveler already knew of the Fake Sky, they are the ones who mentioned it first to Mavuika, and she just says that this might be the first proof for it’s existence:

Traveler: About the false sky and the strange fragments...
Mavuika: "False sky"... I have heard this expression before, but I think this was the first proof of its existence

1.1 just works as an introduction to this hypothesis, its when facing Gosoythoth in Natlan that they had evidence to believe such hypothesis. Traveler was asleep in the spaceship. Traveler bringing this is because once more they know there a theory/hypothesis, which even Mavuika knew about. In Skirk quest they straight up know there are fake stars

True, it does, but we have plenty of evidence implying that it takes before Fontaine, so this doesn’t necessarily imply it takes place during Natlan.

Oh yeah a record of us using Pyro is not evidence of us being in the Pyro Nation

How long did we spend in Natlanv

Lantern Rites are confirmed to be new years festivals

Why should this be treated any different? You’re basically saying “They gave us amps in game whenever they gave amps in lore every other time but this time they didn’t”.

1.X fights do not have that property, even in Dvalin fight we have no amp, the only exception is the Osial fight

Wrong, because Bakunawa did not eat Sinner Rhinedottir’s arm:

存在於牠體內的力量，是連當時的黃金和我們深淵教團也無法掌握的力量。那股力量，連時間也能侵蝕…
“The power within its body is a power that even Gold at that time, and we of the Abyss Order, were unable to control. That power could even erode time itself…”

Thats not the scan im talking about

被确认为「黄金」的失控造物，曾攻击并吞食了「黄金」的身体部分。
The uncontrolled creation identified as “Golden” once attacked and devoured parts of the “Golden” entity.

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Btw can we still be in topic of the OG Post? We are diving into things that not matter to this post

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Then show me when Traveler didn't do this

You’re asking me to prove a negative. I’m not burdened to.

I mean, i can show a scene of Kakashi physicalls being equal to his Chidori/Lightnining Chakra

TRULY a larper. That was not his Chidori. That’s Hidan’s Lightning Style that he’s blocking. That’s all.

"Skof not affected" and then is him not able to move an inch because of how many slashes he getting at the same time

Because it’s the combined force of Skirk and Traveler, not just Traveler’s “physicals”. And he immediately gets back on his feet, and fights back. Traveler does significant work when he uses his elements. Do you actually know how UES works?

Where is the evidence?

He used it when saving trying to save Nefer, for instance. Other than that, he did not fight Rerir.

The gold slashes arent Geo, is the sword effect
This is what a headcanon looks like

You’re simply creating a headcanon to fit your narrative. HoYo hasn’t shown some other animation like that. They specifically added the color of Geo to it.

Nightsouls are explicitily shown to cover bodies entire area

That’s a hasty generalisation. Just because it’s been shown to cover the entire body does not mean that every use of it must be so. They’re simply Nightkingdom abilities on someone, and that’s what Traveler does.

Traveler’s Nightsoul animations were present only on sword, which implies he’s not just using normal pyro, he’s using Nightsoul to amp his AP.

Yeah, just refuse to take any evidence given THAT WHAT A TRUE LARPER DOES

“Evidence” and you’re showing a scene which does not show what you describe.

I don’t think it’s hard to discern what’s being shown in the cutscene and what you’re positing.

Dvalin's statement doesn't imply anything; it's literally a joke, saying, "Hey, now you can be the hero of Mondstandt." That's why Varka responds with another unserious line: "I'd rather be a knight than a hero." And it's not like "they let him attack the weak point"—in fact, Venti already tried; he was simply the one who got there first.

Nice ChatGPT copy paste, but the joke is scenario relevant. Dvalin is making the joke. because it’s appropriate for the context. He’s saying this because Varka is stepping up as the hero, and nobody else is. They’re not even involving.

Venti tried hitting the weak point, but failed. Who’s to say he would’ve oneshotted it like Varka if it hit?

"Can" guys, we present u, POTENTIAL SCALING

So, something that would’ve canonically happened if Traveler didn’t arrive and Venti had to fight Dvalin alone, as per Fate as Barbeloth saw it, means that it’s invalid for scaling? Nice non-sequitur.

Of course, because 2e Traveler is god damn Zhongli lvl, even do he couldnt even face Osial alone, a threath that Zhongli handle alone

Because of environmental disadvantage? We learn that this is a very real thing in the latest even as well. What do you expect the Traveler to do? Jump on top of Osial in the middle of the ocean and try to do something? He can be relative (stat wise) to Morax and still be unable to defeat Osial because he doesn’t have the hax advantage or the abilities Morax had.

Morax won against Osial because he could summon large spears that can pin osial to the ground. Traveler does not have this.

Yes i scale Canon to Marrow Traveler, since the Marrows are litterally stated to be the equivalent of a gnosis, containing energy

The Marrows are not said to be equivalent to a gnosis. It’s likened to a Gnosis on the basis of being a symbol of Godhood. That’s literally what Columbina says.

Further, can you prove that the Traveler’s energy output got amped by the Moon Marrow? He’s only described as a storage unit, that does not mean his energy output got increased(he got stronger). He also doesn’t get stronger by absorbing abyssal energy.

Also, since he had Aria’s Moon Marrow, so you’re saying he’d be equal to the strongest Moon Goddess when he’s weaker than a Columbina who’s weakened?

And by the time of said event, Traveler had Columbina's amp and Skirk had no knowledge of Moon's marrow. Since Nod Krai Annecdotes take place in the middle of Luna I, before getting the marrow. So bassicly she saying he is stronger than Nod Krai self

Skirk could sense the Gnosis and the Authority from Neuvillette. She should be just as easily capable of sensing the Moon Marrow and the Light Realm energy within the Traveler. You’re essentially saying the Moon Marrow, who’s as strong as Aria, is weaker than Columbina amped Traveler, which wasn’t much because she couldn’t fully remove the restrictions.

If it’s a misstranslation then how is bassicly the same idea of him being no match for Gnosiless Zhongli?

And how is it saying that? The traveler is just saying that he can’t beat Zhongli. That does not translate to “no match”.

"But the Traveler said it" yeah and Traveler had witness both users at their current peak, Traveler got first hand exp against Tarta and saw what zhongli was capable when facing Adzhada

Incorrect. The voiceline came out in 1.1, which is before he saw Zhongli fight against Azhdaha at his current peak. The Traveler did not have knowledge of Zhongli’s strength. He’s simply assuming.

Oh yeah lets totally forget the fact that 6 Adeptus needed to amp us in order to thrown a flying house at him, just to SEAL IT
We didn't even outmatch him physically like what they did with Beisht. No, we just SEAL HIM

They simply gave us the adeptal energy so that we’d properly destroy the JC. Just the dropping of the JC amped by our power dropped Osial back into the ocean and sealed him back up(with adeptal energy btw).

And this is after Osial already got badly wounded by just 3 Adepti, which i’ve already shown you the scan for. And the Traveler is said to not be weaker than the Adepti by Ganyu.

Could u show me an instance of any Fontaine Arc (4.6 -4.8) cutscene where Traveler uses the new sword?

You’re making the assumption that since the Traveler used his sword in 5.0, that must be when he started. That’s a non-sequitur(the amount you commit is hilarious).

The change happened offscreen. That means that it happened anywhere before 5.0. You’re the one who has to prove that the Traveler only got the sword in 5.0 that means that he must be in Natlan already. The chest at the end also only gives us Hydro Sigils, despite us never once mentioning or visiting Fontaine.

1.1 just works as an introduction to this hypothesis, its when facing Gosoythoth in Natlan that they had evidence to believe such hypothesis. Traveler was asleep in the spaceship. Traveler bringing this is because once more they know there a theory/hypothesis, which even Mavuika knew about. In Skirk quest they straight up know there are fake stars

There’s no “hypothesis”. Mona already confirms it back in 1.1 talking about Fake Stars, and why should they not believe Mona? Scara also says so, and given both of them say so, it would be further evidence for the Traveler. While Traveler was asleep in the spaceship, they had to cross the border to leave the world. So your point makes little to no sense.

The idea that they were not sure and they were just bringing up the hypothesis is just, implicitly headcanon. They could be aware of it, like the fact that the stars are fake, they just haven’t seen a confirmation.

Oh yeah a record of us using Pyro is not evidence of us being in the Pyro Nation

So it was 5E traveler? Gotcha.
The Travel log is plenty of evidence that you haven’t actually addressed. It places her story quest in Fontaine arc.

Lantern Rites are confirmed to be new years festivals

5.4 was Lantern Rite, if the Traveler and Skirk met after 4.8 but before 5.0(which is consistent with the Travel log), there is a marginal difference from Luna 1 and 4.8. Skirk also has a narrower perspective of time due to her age and the fact that she spends most of her time in the Abyss.

Did Skirk tell you how she defines “long time” and “short time”?

1.X fights do not have that property, even in Dvalin fight we have no amp, the only exception is the Osial fight

Not true:
1. Ei’s fight has this.
2. Osial fight has this, as you said.
3. Dvalin fight did not have us getting amped. Because we were not amped in lore.
4. Gosoythoth fight gave us amps through the tribes. Which already has a canonical confirmation.
5. Dottore boss fight has us getting gameplay buffs when Columbina amped us.

Nice try.

Thats not the scan im talking about

That’s not the point. Rhinedottir created Bakunawa at a time when she couldn’t harness transcendent abyssal power. I.e, Bakunawa was created before the Cataclysm; before she became a Sinner.

Bakunawa thus went out of control and ate Rhinedottir’s arm when she wasn’t a Sinner. There’s no scaling here. So where’s the proof that it was Sinner Rhinedottir whose arm it ate?

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Btw can we still be in topic of the OG Post? We are diving into things that not matter to this post

Ping staff, this should get accepted before rejecting 5B archons.

 

[Puppet43]

That’s not the point. Rhinedottir created Bakunawa at a time when she couldn’t harness transcendent abyssal power. I.e, Bakunawa was created before the Cataclysm; before she became a Sinner.

Bakunawa thus went out of control and ate Rhinedottir’s arm when she wasn’t a Sinner. There’s no scaling here. So where’s the proof that it was Sinner Rhinedottir whose arm it ate?

Dude, we know Rhine first contact with abyss was when she became a Sinner, we knew this in Rerir's backstory. The thing with Bakunawa, is that its so uncontrollable unlike Durin and Elynas that even ate her arm
Otherwise where she would hide it?

Not true:
1. Ei’s fight has this.
2. Osial fight has this, as you said.
3. Dvalin fight did not have us getting amped. Because we were not amped in lore.
4. Gosoythoth fight gave us amps through the tribes. Which already has a canonical confirmation.
5. Dottore boss fight has us getting gameplay buffs when Columbina amped us.

• I ask for 1.X fights
• Bro puts 3 fights post 2.0
• Great

Anyways Venti is indeed amping us, since guess what we use his energy to shot Dvalin in his back and corner him in the battlefield

Did Skirk tell you how she defines “long time” and “short time”?

Its us who tell her not a long time has pass. Straight up u cant make the argument of time dilution in Abyss when Traveler sees time as everyone in teyvat

So it was 5E traveler? Gotcha.

Didn't know Pyro was accessible in Fontaine
This is either ragebait or gennually larp

Mona already confirms it back in 1.1 talking about Fake Stars, and why should they not believe Mona? Scara also says so, and given both of them say so, it would be further evidence for the Traveler.

Mona litterally didnt believe said theory, its just when Scara also talks about it that her idea of stars are shaken, but then she litterally says "i disagree" pointing to the fact she didn't believe the Harbinger

While Traveler was asleep in the spaceship, they had to cross the border to leave the world. So your point makes little to no sense.

They didnt go to Teyvat's border to leave, they went to Celestia (File name of the place and 6.5 leaks)

The idea that they were not sure and they were just bringing up the hypothesis is just, implicitly headcanon. They could be aware of it, like the fact that the stars are fake, they just haven’t seen a confirmation.

This topic came once in their jouney of 5 years, just one mention. No one else aside of Scara told them that; and by that point their only relliable source (Mona) was unsure of what the Harbinger said and u somewhat expect me to believe Traveler did in fact just believe the evil guy back in 1.1 even do his trusty source knowledge didnt had much idea?

The change happened offscreen. That means that it happened anywhere before 5.0. You’re the one who has to prove that the Traveler only got the sword in 5.0 that means that he must be in Natlan already.

4.7; still using dull blade (in 4.8 there no a single fight cutscene)
5.0; not using dull blade
Change happend either 4.8 (wouldnt make sense because he was in a child storybook where they didnt use weapons) or 5.0

The chest at the end also only gives us Hydro Sigils, despite us never once mentioning or visiting Fontaine.

Oh so using a change of weapon is "unreliable" but using the rewards of a gameplay chest is somehow trusty and more reliable?

They simply gave us the adeptal energy so that we’d properly destroy the JC. Just the dropping of the JC amped by our power dropped Osial back into the ocean and sealed him back up(with adeptal energy btw).

So they needed a human capable of handeling 6 adeptus energies at the same time without exploding, wow. Its like that the Traveler gimmic, being a power vessel capable of handeling power better than other people

And the Traveler is said to not be weaker than the Adepti by Ganyu.

He is said to be not weaker than Low Adeptus LIKE HERSELF, Ganyu is just a fodder even for adeptus
Shenhe story happends in Liyue Arc. Traveler got barely oneshotted by Beisht, Cloud Retainer and Xiao are implied to handle Beisht if it got out of control

before he saw Zhongli fight against Azhdaha at his current peak. The Traveler did not have knowledge of Zhongli’s strength.

Then he would be assuming based on other Archons like Venti or based on the fact that Osial is multiple times stated to be Morax rival, yet he couldnt do much on his own (and by that time he was equal to Tartaglia)

Skirk could sense the Gnosis and the Authority from Neuvillette. She should be just as easily capable of sensing the Moon Marrow and the Light Realm energy within the Traveler. You’re essentially saying the Moon Marrow, who’s as strong as Aria, is weaker than Columbina amped Traveler, which wasn’t much because she couldn’t fully remove the restrictions.

• Skirk annecdotes takes place before getting Marrow, learn to read
• Currently restriction removed Trav has no much inverse so yeah, Marrow has been the stronger state traveler did get

The Marrows are not said to be equivalent to a gnosis. It’s likened to a Gnosis on the basis of being a symbol of Godhood. That’s literally what Columbina says.
Further, can you prove that the Traveler’s energy output got amped by the Moon Marrow? He’s only described as a storage unit, that does not mean his energy output got increased(he got stronger).

The Moon Marrows are consistently mentioned as the energy source of a Moon Goddess

Also, since he had Aria’s Moon Marrow, so you’re saying he’d be equal to the strongest Moon Goddess when he’s weaker than a Columbina who’s weakened?

• The 3 moon goddess were stated equals by Alice
• When was he shown to be weaker than weakend Columbina? She is the one needing him to replenish her powers

Because of environmental disadvantage? We learn that this is a very real thing in the latest even as well. What do you expect the Traveler to do? Jump on top of Osial in the middle of the ocean and try to do something? He can be relative (stat wise) to Morax and still be unable to defeat Osial because he doesn’t have the hax advantage or the abilities Morax had.

He didnt had any issue jumping towards a tsunami to try to stab Beisht
Ur straight up rage baiting

Nice non-sequitur.

"HELP ME RANDOM FALLACIES, I CANT DEFEND MYSELF PROPERLY AND JUST THROW RANDOM FALLACY NAME TO SEEN ACTUAL SMART"

Nice ChatGPT copy paste

Its google translator. I dont even have a ChatGPT account

Venti tried hitting the weak point, but failed. Who’s to say he would’ve oneshotted it like Varka if it hit?

Because Venti is stronger than Varka? perhaps

“Evidence” and you’re showing a scene which does not show what you describe.

Shhhh i now babe, its kinda hard for u to defend against an actual game cutscene, just do some depth breath

That’s a hasty generalisation. Just because it’s been shown to cover the entire body does not mean that every use of it must be so. They’re simply Nightkingdom abilities on someone, and that’s what Traveler does.

"Hasty generalisation" is when out of 12 Natlan Characters, i show u that 7 of them get their body area completed imbuded by Nightsoul, in any case porcentage would work in my favor

Traveler’s Nightsoul animations were present only on sword, which implies he’s not just using normal pyro, he’s using Nightsoul to amp his AP.

U would need to proof that, lol

HoYo hasn’t shown some other animation like that. They specifically added the color of Geo to it.

• Traveler never used Geo to imbuded his sword
• Traveler Geo is different color than said slash, that just the sword animation, in fact take a look at a not "imbuded" sword, making a same color slash when piercing the floor

He used it when saving trying to save Nefer, for instance. Other than that, he did not fight Rerir.

U said "elements" in plural, he barely used Pyro once
And the heck u mean "he did not fight Rerir?"

• Traveler vs Rerir imperssonating his sister
• Traveler and Weakend Flins vs Shadow Rerir
• Traveler protecting Bina from Rerir
• Rerir vs entire team
• Rerir vs Nefer and Traveler

Traveler does significant work when he uses his elements

Traveler just showcases being capable of stopping Skof , thing he can do with physicals (The bubble is a hax because he got trapped so wont count it)

That was not his Chidori. That’s Hidan’s Lightning Style that he’s blocking.

Mb, last time i saw Naruto was 6 years ago
In the same video we see Kakashi going hand to hand against Hidan, so yeah my point still stands

You’re asking me to prove a negative. I’m not burdened to.

Sounds to me like a skill issue and a "i can't show evidence because there none wawawa"

 

[Puppet43]

Anyways we getting out of topic, could u guys (except Loudest and Insert creative name) tell me ur views on this?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

With the OP? You know I agree. Cross god scaling needs to go. Cross scaling across classifications in general (like scaling Angels to each other too).

 

[Puppet43]

Cross scaling across classifications in general (like scaling Angels to each other too).

I mean either way would get Angel scaling

Spoiler: Leaks 6.5

The world boss is stated to rival Angels and be have mentions of being a cataclysm event for the entire planet. We could theorically scale Skirk and Traveler to 5B

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Sorry but I’m not reading leaks and I don’t think we should scale with leaks

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Dude, we know Rhine first contact with abyss was when she became a Sinner, we knew this in Rerir's backstory. The thing with Bakunawa, is that its so uncontrollable unlike Durin and Elynas that even ate her arm

This is based on literally nothing. Where was it said that her first contact with it was when she became a Sinner?

Bakunawa was created before Rhine became a Sinner. That’s why she was created at a time when Gold couldn’t harness that abyssal power. Which in and of itself means that Rhine had contact with the Abyss before becoming a Sinner.

Otherwise where she would hide it?

Nobody knows where she hid it. Nobody knows where she hid it after becoming a Sinner as well.

I ask for 1.X fights

1.X fights involve things that doesn’t have us getting a lore amp?

Bro puts 3 fights post 2.0

Because they’re the ones that involve us getting an amp, yes. Can you name any examples where we get amped lore wise and don’t get a stat boost?

Anyways Venti is indeed amping us, since guess what we use his energy to shot Dvalin in his back and corner him in the battlefield

He was only amping us with the Thousand Winds before we landed and fought Dvalin at the place we fought him. After that, he’s not shown to be amping the Traveler. Prove Venti was amping us during the boss fight.

Its us who tell her not a long time has pass. Straight up u cant make the argument of time dilution in Abyss when Traveler sees time as everyone in teyvat

That’s even worse. Because Traveler himself says that he didn’t expect Skirk to see so soon, which could just mean that he expected to see her way later, not that their reunion happened very quickly. It was merely in comparison to what they expected. If you expect to meet someone in 5 years but end up meeting them in 2, that’s relatively quick.

Traveler also does not have the same perception of time as others in Genshin. He explicitly highlights it being faster.

Didn't know Pyro was accessible in Fontaine
This is either ragebait or gennually larp

It wasn’t because Traveler doesn’t use Pyro in Skirk story quest at all? You get Pyro materials because Skirk’s story quest realised in Natlan, that’s not relevant for its chronological order.

Mona litterally didnt believe said theory, its just when Scara also talks about it that her idea of stars are shaken,

Mona doesn’t say that she doesn’t believe the theory. She’s saying that Baebeloth mentioned the fake sky a lot when teaching her fate (given the fact that Hydromancy is literally seeing fate by looking at the false stars to see the true fate). She considered them metaphor, but believed Scara and that she said that she likely thought wrong about it being metaphor.

but then she litterally says "i disagree" pointing to the fact she didn't believe the Harbinger

She said “digress”, not disagree. Learn to read. How do you larp so much to the point where you can’t even differentiate digress and disagree?

They didnt go to Teyvat's border to leave, they went to Celestia (File name of the place and 6.5 leaks)

To leave the world, you have to cross the border. And to do that, they went to Celestia. The traveler doesn’t even express surprise or any contention to Scara when he said that either.

This topic came once in their jouney of 5 years, just one mention. No one else aside of Scara told them that; and by that point their only relliable source (Mona) was unsure of what the Harbinger said and u somewhat expect me to believe Traveler did in fact just believe the evil guy back in 1.1 even do his trusty source knowledge didnt had much idea?

Correct, and they have no one else to actually speak this topic about, and Skirk was one of the few, because she does not originate from this world and she in and of herself is an enigma, like the Traveler. Mona wasn’t unsure of what Scara said. You just proved that you couldn’t read. Even Mona started taking what Scara said seriously, why wouldn’t the Traveler?

Also, when exactly did they mention the fake sky. Can you highlight the part? Because it was only Skirk who brought it up, not the traveler.

Change happend either 4.8 (wouldnt make sense because he was in a child storybook where they didnt use weapons) or 5.0

That’s a total non-sequitur fallacy. The traveler doesn’t solely commit to one thing throughout an entire event lmao. And he’s had to draw his sword several times during Simulanka, namely to fight Durin.

In fact, the fact that the Skirk story quest is placed as a part of the Fontaine arc is something you’ve still yet to refute. It’s very consistent. It places it after the story quests you mentioned.

Oh so using a change of weapon is "unreliable" but using the rewards of a gameplay chest is somehow trusty and more reliable?

Yeah? Because the “change” of a weapon you’re referring to has several interpretations and the idea that the Traveler MUST have only gotten prototype rancour after reaching Natlan is in and of itself an assumption.

So they needed a human capable of
handling 6 adeptus energies at the same time without exploding, wow. Its like that the Traveler gimmic, being a power vessel capable of handeling power better than other people

And yet that was just them combining their adeptal energies so that the seal would reform. Mind you, Childe broke the seals and removed the sealing powers of Morax’s spears. The Adepti had already badly wounded Osial, and the Traveler was amped for good measure. You’re not refuting the relativity here.

He is said to be not weaker than Low Adeptus LIKE HERSELF, Ganyu is just a fodder even for adeptus

False. She said that the Traveler is not weaker than the adepti as a whole, not just herself. Nice headcanon, though:

甘雨 : 不会，旅者的实力我已知晓，体内隐藏的力量不逊于我等。
Gan Yu : No, I already know the strength of the traveler, the hidden power within his body is not inferior to ours.

"Ours" here is referring to the adepti. Ganyu says this when asked if the adeptal training that the traveler is about to undergo in her story quest will be difficult for them.

Shenhe story happends in Liyue Arc. Traveler got barely oneshotted by Beisht, Cloud Retainer and Xiao are implied to handle Beisht if it got out of control

The basis that Shenhe’s SQ happens in Liyue also comes from the Travel log’s placement of it in the Liyue arc, which means that it takes place in the Liyue arc, before Inazuma.

All xiao says is that he has a plan if the situation gets out of hand. Even Shenhe says this about Osial. What’s your point exactly? Further, the Traveler did not get oneshotted by Beisht. He got knocked out by being crashed into a mountain hitting the back of his head. That doesn’t require him to have his durability bypassed and he wakes up and helps shenhe fight after.

Then he would be assuming based on other Archons like Venti or based on the fact that Osial is multiple times stated to be Morax rival, yet he couldnt do much on his own (and by that time he was equal to Tartaglia)

That’s purely conjecture. Traveler could be saying this based off simply assuming his strength without using any examples, and Venti was weak enough to need the cast’s help and even admits inferiority to the 1E traveler lmao, and moreover, Traveler only says that Childe can’t beat Morax, not that he’s no match.

He couldn’t do much on his own due to environmental disadvantage. Read, i’ve already addressed this.

Skirk annecdotes takes place before getting Marrow, learn to read

What’s on?

The Moon Marrows are consistently mentioned as the energy source of a Moon Goddess

And that doesn’t mean much. They’re the Moon Goddesses’ energy coalesced, but that doesn’t mean they function like a gnosis (to allow you to draw massive amounts of Kuuvakhi), or allow the Traveler to output all its energy.

The 3 moon goddess were stated equals by Alice

Nice try taking it out of context. That’s just referring to them splitting the power of the Trilune(hax), not their raw strength.

The Eternal Moon was the largest moon, and it’s Kuuvakhi was the one that gave rise to the Oceans’ tides despite the fact that it’s farther away. We can see this in Zibai’s cutscene where the PO shatters the 3 moons.

When was he shown to be weaker than weakend Columbina? She is the one needing him to replenish her powers

After Columbina regained a bit of her powers from the moon marrows, she was said to be at least on the level of the third harbinger. And she was consistently treated as the strongest there.

He didnt had any issue jumping towards a tsunami to try to stab Beisht
Ur straight up rage baiting

Why do you keep making fallacious comparisons? This is a textbook false equivalence. Beisht is not only far nearer, nit also only has one head to deal with. They were far away from Osial from the JC and they were using long distance attacks.

"HELP ME RANDOM FALLACIES, I CANT DEFEND MYSELF PROPERLY AND JUST THROW RANDOM FALLACY NAME TO SEEN ACTUAL SMART"

And you couldn’t even defend yourself against the fallacies. Just trying to mock me doesn’t help you, makes you look worse, saying that you can’t actually address these fallacies.

It’s google translator. I dont even have a ChatGPT account

Sure.

Because Venti is stronger than Varka? perhaps

Based on literally nothing, and Venti gets wounded by a 1E+ traveler level opponent.

Shhhh i now babe, its kinda hard for u to defend against an actual game cutscene, just do some depth breath

Defend against an actual cutscene and yet there’s nothing to defend against? In fact, you haven’t elaborated on why your premise supports your conclusion at all, but it’s just embarrassing.

"Hasty generalisation" is when out of 12 Natlan Characters, i show u that 7 of them get their body area completed imbuded by Nightsoul, in any case porcentage would work in my favor

Hasty generalisation because you’re assuming that since characters have used to amp their entire body with Nightsoul, they must be only able to do that. That’s a hasty generalisation, and why would statistics have any relevance to the point?

Also, you’re wrong. Mavuika likely did the same against Capitano, because she didn’t have nightsoul markers around her body, and yet, it was stated that she went all out against Capitano.

We can see that she did not have the Nightsoul markings, why was she stated to go all out then?

U would need to proof that, lol

The proof being the fact that Traveller has Nightsoul animations on his sword strikes?

Traveler never used Geo to imbuded his sword

And that doesn’t mean he can’t. He can apply any element into his sword.

Traveler Geo is different color than said slash, that just the sword animation, in fact take a look at a not "imbuded" sword, making a same color slash when piercing the floor

They are the same color. And the latter are just sparks, whereas the Traveler’s entire sword is imbued with Golden energy here.

U said "elements" in plural, he barely used Pyro once

I said he used his elements against Rerir, that’s worded as “elements” because he has more than one. This is kinda how English works.

Traveler vs Rerir imperssonating his sister

You mean the one fight in which we get like, one scene and nothing more?

• Traveler and Weakend Flins vs Shadow Rerir

You mean the fight where they parried like, a few slashes at best?

• Traveler protecting Bina from Rerir

Yes, another fight in which most of it was off-screen and was seen from Jahoda’s perspective.

• Rerir vs Nefer and Traveler

Another fight which we get almost zero screentime on a cutscene. Yet another great argument.

All of these can be explained by the Traveler passively amping his body with elemental energy. That doesn’t imply he’s fighting purely physically. You’d need to prove that he is doing so against Dvalin.

Traveler just showcases being capable of stopping Skof , thing he can do with physicals (The bubble is a hax because he got trapped so wont count it)

He does that with Skirk’s support, and only with Elements does he actually do that significantly alone. The bubble has to actually be strong enough so that Skofnunger would get trapped in it.

Mb, last time i saw Naruto was 6 years ago
In the same video we see Kakashi going hand to hand against Hidan, so yeah my point still stands

Stop larping a verse you don’t know about. Characters in Naruto passively amplify their physicals with Chakra, that’s how H2H in the verse even works. They are so physically strong because of their chakra output. Naruto’s Lava Style, Rasenshuriken is in fact, not as strong as Naruto’s normal chakra infused punches. The former cut Madara’s body in two and the latter could barely harm him in a weakened state.

Similarly, a character has an elemental burst, and their normal punches are not as strong as their full power. Again, do you know how UES works?

Hidan is also just fighting physically, by the way.

Sounds to me like a skill issue and a "i can't show evidence because there none wawawa"

So you’re just ducking by shifting the burden onto me? Nice try.

 

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This is based on literally nothing. Where was it said that her first contact with it was when she became a Sinner?

Bakunawa was created before Rhine became a Sinner. That’s why she was created at a time when Gold couldn’t harness that abyssal power. Which in and of itself means that Rhine had contact with the Abyss before becoming a Sinner.

Wasn’t it said Bakunawa was made with transcendant Abyssal power and not the power of Life like the others?

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Wasn’t it said Bakunawa was made with transcendant Abyssal power and not the power of Life like the others?

No, it gets it’s immortality from a transcendent abyssal power, it wasn’t made with it. Rhinedottir at the time could not harness the transcendent Abyssal energy herself. So Bakunawa does not have any scaling to Sinner Rhinedottir, since you can’t prove that it ate Sinner Rhine’s hand.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Yes, but Rhinedottir at the time could not harness the transcendent Abyssal energy herself. So Bakunawa does not have any scaling to Sinner Rhinedottir, since you can’t prove that it ate Sinner Rhine’s hand.

I’m not trying to scale Bakunawa. If it was made with transcendant Abyss power and not Life power then it would’ve most likely been made by Sinner Rhine as she has transcendant Abyss power.

 

[Frostyyyy12]

I’m not trying to scale Bakunawa. If it was made with transcendant Abyss power and not Life power then it would’ve most likely been made by Sinner Rhine as she has transcendant Abyss power.

Idk what you’re not getting:
1. Enjou explicitly says that Rhinedottir was not able to harness the transcendent abyssal power that bakunawa did AT THAT TIME. Which implies it was pre-sinner Rhine.
2. It was not MADE by transcendent abyssal power. It has access to it.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Idk what you’re not getting:
1. Enjou explicitly says that Rhinedottir was not able to harness the transcendent abyssal power that bakunawa did AT THAT TIME. Which implies it was pre-sinner Rhine.
2. It was not MADE by transcendent abyssal power. It has access to it.

Ok then there’s nothing more to be said. @Puppet43 this seems pretty clear cut. Bakunawa isn’t said to be made from the transcendant Abyss power but probably just gained it due to swallowing part of Gold.

 

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Ok then there’s nothing more to be said. @Puppet43 this seems pretty clear cut. Bakunawa isn’t said to be made from the transcendant Abyss power but probably just gained it due to swallowing part of Gold.

Still confused about this. How would it gain transcendent abyssal power if Rhine herself didn’t have that at that time?

 

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Still confused about this. How would it gain transcendent abyssal power if Rhine herself didn’t have that at that time?

I’m thinking she made it pre Sinner status. Went to visit it post Sinner status and it like ate her toe or something

 

[Puppet43]

Sorry but I’m not reading leaks and I don’t think we should scale with leaks

Its archive stuff, archive dont get changes

So you’re just ducking by shifting the burden onto me? Nice try.

I never shifted, it was always yours

Stop larping a verse you don’t know about.

I clearly said i haven't touch the verse in 6 years and i that time i didnt even powerscale

Hidan is also just fighting physically, by the way.

That what i said.
Kakashi could fight Hidan both physically and against its electric chakra

He does that with Skirk’s support, and only with Elements does he actually do that significantly alone

Stated in game that he could do it alone, just decided to back down because he tought that might put in danger both Paimon and Skirk

You mean the one fight in which we get like, one scene and nothing more?

U counting fights based on the ammount of scenes we got? Fr son?
Btw how combinient that Traveler doesnt use a single element once in any of those fights, even do they could kill one/multiple of his friend and put at risk the fate of the entire planet

They are the same color. And the latter are just sparks, whereas the Traveler’s entire sword is imbued with Golden energy here.

U prooving my point son, those are the effects of the sword
Btw if that were Geo shouldnt his clothes change color? LIKE WHAT THEY HAD SHOWN SINCE 1.0?

He can apply any element into his sword.

Dendro, Hydro, Anemo and Geo haven't show so far

The proof being the fact that Traveller has Nightsoul animations on his sword strikes?

Son its not even the same shading

Hasty generalisation because you’re assuming that since characters have used to amp their entire body with Nightsoul, they must be only able to do that. That’s a hasty generalisation

Son, the nightsoul blessings covers the entire body doesnt matter if ur amping ur leg or ur head, its just shown to be entire body shading

Also, you’re wrong. Mavuika likely did the same against Capitano, because she didn’t have nightsoul markers around her body, and yet, it was stated that she went all out against Capitano. We can see that she did not have the Nightsoul markings, why was she stated to go all out then?

Thats because Mavuika doesnt have marks in the Nightsoul blessing, thats Ronova amp

In fact, you haven’t elaborated on why your premise supports your conclusion at all, but it’s just embarrassing.

• Premise: Venti oneshots Abyssal Dvalin
• Game: Arrow Venti hitting Dvalin so hard it litterally went for a nap mid fight

There nothing more to add, because its a fact, not a yes or no question

Based on literally nothing, and Venti gets wounded by a 1E+ traveler level opponent.

Venti > Abyssal Dvalin >= Traveler post bina buff
And saying Dvalin is 1E traveler lvl is gennually just ragebait, because u telling me Pyro Fatui can kill Dvalin?

And you couldn’t even defend yourself against the fallacies. Just trying to mock me doesn’t help you, makes you look worse, saying that you can’t actually address these fallacies.

Im not mocking u, again im stating a factual statment

Why do you keep making fallacious comparisons?

"Fallacious comparison"
- 2 big ahh monsters in the sea that threath to destroy Liyue
Where is the bad comparasion? Oh yeah at the fact u cant accept that ur point is wrong

After Columbina regained a bit of her powers from the moon marrows, she was said to be at least on the level of the third harbinger. And she was consistently treated as the strongest there.

She wasnt called the strongest, ever, she saying she at her base lvl doesnt implie she was stronger than Traveler
What u smoking?

The Eternal Moon was the largest moon, and it’s Kuuvakhi was the one that gave rise to the Oceans’ tides despite the fact that it’s farther away. We can see this in Zibai’s cutscene where the PO shatters the 3 moons.

Why would be bigger moon = stronger? (Outside of GBE, which they cant scale)

What’s on?

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And that doesn’t mean much. They’re the Moon Goddesses’ energy coalesced, but that doesn’t mean they function like a gnosis (to allow you to draw massive amounts of Kuuvakhi), or allow the Traveler to output all its energy.

U just expect those to be inside of someone's body without them using the energy that its expulsing?

And yet that was just them combining their adeptal energies so that the seal would reform. Mind you, Childe broke the seals and removed the sealing powers of Morax’s spears. The Adepti had already badly wounded Osial, and the Traveler was amped for good measure. You’re not refuting the relativity here.

I mean if he only hurt Osial when getting amp and its enemy its weaken, its clear there no relativity

False. She said that the Traveler is not weaker than the adepti as a whole, not just herself.

甘雨 : 不会，旅者的实力我已知晓，体内隐藏的力量不逊于我等。
Gan Yu : No, I already know the strength of the traveler, the hidden power within his body is not inferior to ours.

"Ours" here is referring to the adepti. Ganyu says this when asked if the adeptal training that the traveler is about to undergo in her story quest will be difficult for them.

Mind u Adeptus talk in 3rd person

Even Shenhe says this about Osial.

Shenhe wasnt present at the time of Osial

What’s your point exactly? Further, the Traveler did not get oneshotted by Beisht. He got knocked out by being crashed into a mountain hitting the back of his head.

A One-Shot is a self-explanatory term, referring to defeating an opponent with a single attack.

Traveler got knock down by a single attack = he got oneshotted

That’s purely conjecture. Traveler could be saying this based off simply assuming his strength without using any examples, and Venti was weak enough to need the cast’s help and even admits inferiority to the 1E traveler lmao, and moreover, Traveler only says that Childe can’t beat Morax, not that he’s no match.

Venti needed the cast, because Traveler had litterally the perfect tool CORRUPTION REMOVAL ABILITY. Btw when does Venti even say "Im weaker than 1E Traveler?" because GOD DAMN SON UR AT THIS POINT JUST MAKING STUFF

This is based on literally nothing. Where was it said that her first contact with it was when she became a Sinner?

I litterally told u, do u know how to read?

we knew this in Rerir's backstory.

Bakunawa was created before Rhine became a Sinner. That’s why she was created at a time when Gold couldn’t harness that abyssal power. Which in and of itself means that Rhine had contact with the Abyss before becoming a Sinner.

burden

1.X fights involve things that doesn’t have us getting a lore amp?
Because they’re the ones that involve us getting an amp, yes. Can you name any examples where we get amped lore wise and don’t get a stat boost?

- Moon Marrows, Kuuvhaki and Phlogiston usage, Azdhada fight, Oasis bug, Narzi, Dvalin

He was only amping us with the Thousand Winds before we landed and fought Dvalin at the place we fought him. After that, he’s not shown to be amping the Traveler. Prove Venti was amping us during the boss fight.

Why would he stop amping us for no reason?

That’s even worse. Because Traveler himself says that he didn’t expect Skirk to see so soon, which could just mean that he expected to see her way later, not that their reunion happened very quickly. It was merely in comparison to what they expected. If you expect to meet someone in 5 years but end up meeting them in 2, that’s relatively quick.

Now u would had to proof that somehow they didnt expect to meet her again in 5 years, why the heck all ur points relly on "Could, Maybe, If?" Potential man?

Traveler also does not have the same perception of time as others in Genshin. He explicitly highlights it being faster.

When is this even stated, son

It wasn’t because Traveler doesn’t use Pyro in Skirk story quest at all? You get Pyro materials because Skirk’s story quest realised in Natlan, that’s not relevant for its chronological order.

The description of the material says "RECORD OF UR TRAINING" u cant record something u didnt had
Btw how are Hydro Sigils somehow more chronological relevant? Thats Cherry picking and a contradiction

To leave the world, you have to cross the border. And to do that, they went to Celestia.

Man we had reach the border and we didnt need to go to Celestia

The traveler doesn’t even express surprise or any contention to Scara when he said that either.

Maybe because 1.1 animations were today standart?

Also, when exactly did they mention the fake sky. Can you highlight the part? Because it was only Skirk who brought it up, not the traveler.

He adds stuff to conv

That’s a total non-sequitur fallacy. The traveler doesn’t solely commit to one thing throughout an entire event lmao. And he’s had to draw his sword several times during Simulanka, namely to fight Durin.

And that Traveler was ours, its didnt either had Dull Blade nor the new one. So its subjetive to each player

In fact, the fact that the Skirk story quest is placed as a part of the Fontaine arc is something you’ve still yet to refute. It’s very consistent. It places it after the story quests you mentioned.

• Arg for Skirk being Fontaine: Archive
• Arg for Skirk being Natlan:

Traveler uses Prototype Rancour, which we first see him using it in Natlan's Archon Quest Act 2
Traveler having knowledge of the stars and sky being fake, which traveler only acknoledges post 5.1 Quest
The Archive tells the events of the mission as happening after the Mavuika mission, even when some missions like Escoffier's came out updates after the Mavuika mission, it is still told as it happens during the Fontaine arc
Official accounts on some platforms have commissioned art for Skirk's quest, which depicts her standing next to Pyro Traveler.
The "Training Revision" item is acquired by completing Skirk's quest, which canonically functions as a guide for the traveler on how to train, the item when used gives the traveler three talent accession materials, which only work on Pyro Traveler, implying that Skirk would wants him to improve in that area.
Paimon mentions in Skirk's anecdote (takes place in Nod Krai) that the last time they saw each other wasn't that long ago, therefore Skirk's Mission must have taken place before Nod Krai, further implying the fact that Skirk's Mission took place in the Natlan arc.

Yeah? Because the “change” of a weapon you’re referring to has several interpretations and the idea that the Traveler MUST have only gotten prototype rancour after reaching Natlan is in and of itself an assumption.

I mean try to disproof it lmao

 

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I’m thinking she made it pre Sinner status. Went to visit it post Sinner status and it like ate her toe or something

That doesn’t really make sense, and it doesn’t have evidence too. Basically, Rhine created Bakunawa, but was unable to control it and thus it ate her arm, that was said in the text, and she created it at a time where she herself couldn’t control the transcendent abyssal power, hence explaining why she couldn’t control it.

 

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That doesn’t really make sense, and it doesn’t have evidence too. Basically, Rhine created Bakunawa, but was unable to control it and thus it ate her arm, that was said in the text, and she created it at a time where she herself couldn’t control the transcendent abyssal power, hence explaining why she couldn’t control it.

So where’d it get the transcendant power from? It couldn’t have just manifested it no?

 

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I never shifted, it was always yours

Mine is a negative claim. It is not my burden lmao.

I clearly said i haven't touch the verse in 6 years and i that time i didnt even powerscale

So stop LARPing.

That what i said.
Kakashi could fight Hidan both physically and against its electric chakra

Because Kakashi is also amping himself with Chakra when doing so. That doesn’t mean that his punch is as strong as his Chidori lmao.

Stated in game that he could do it alone, just decided to back down because he tought that might put in danger both Paimon and Skirk

The game states that he can beat Skofnunger alone, and we never saw that fight. How do you know that a major part of the fight wasn’t the Traveler using the elements?

U counting fights based on the ammount of scenes we got? Fr son?

Maybe you’re not able to comprehend it, but the amount of time we see the fight matters because the traveler could in fact be using the elements at the off screen moments.

Btw how combinient that Traveler doesnt use a single element once in any of those fights, even do they could kill one/multiple of his friend and put at risk the fate of the entire planet

Nice headcanon. Where was it said explicitly that they never once used it during the fights? Your observation doesn’t need to apply universally.

U prooving my point son, those are the effects of the sword

No? Why would the entire sword glowing and turning into a full Geo color be an effect of the sword? Is the Traveler making any sparks here? Lmao.

Btw if that were Geo shouldnt his clothes change color? LIKE WHAT THEY HAD SHOWN SINCE 1.0?

Childe’s cutscene explicitly shows the Traveler’s clothes not changing color despite him using a different elements. This is a recent addition.

Dendro, Hydro, Anemo and Geo haven't show so far

Hydro has been shown in the Dottore boss fight. The traveler infuses his sword with Anemo especially after Columbina buffs. The traveler also infuses his sword with Geo even before the buffs. Same for Anemo as well. They just got more blatant post Columbina amp.

Son its not even the same shading

So, what exactly is the difference in shading? Also, these are Nightsoul animations lmao.

Son, the nightsoul blessings covers the entire body doesnt matter if ur amping ur leg or ur head, its just shown to be entire body shading

And your proof for that is absolutely nothing. You’ve only shown evidence of characters using Nightsoul all throughout their body.

Thats because Mavuika doesnt have marks in the Nightsoul blessing, thats Ronova amp

So Mavuika doesn’t actually need to cover her entire body with Nightsoul markings to enter Nightsoul state?? If you scroll further, Dain again says that Mavuika enters the Nightsoul state, with the markings this time. Which implies it’s stronger. Further, this is not Ronova amp, this is Mavuika’s Nightsoul state. Has nothing to do with the Ronova amp.

• Arrow Venti hitting Dvalin so hard it litterally went for a nap mid fight

There nothing more to add, because its a fact, not a yes or no question

Nice try, and you still haven’t proven this other than asserting the same headcanon over and over again. You can’t even prove that Dvalin was hurt by Venti’s arrow, because Dvalin takes the same arrow again and he doesn’t even face any consequences. You’re making up the idea that Dvalin went to “sleep” because you want to assumption stack.

Venti > Abyssal Dvalin >= Traveler post bina buff

Traveler > Abyssal Dvalin > Normal Dvalin > Venti.

Venti, like i said, has to get heavily injured to beat a base Dvalin lmao.

And saying Dvalin is 1E traveler lvl is gennually just ragebait, because u telling me Pyro Fatui can kill Dvalin?

Except that doesn’t work, because the Traveler isn’t weaker than Pyro Fatui. Getting knocked out ≠ weaker. Also, the mondstadt quest begins with the Fatui saying that they can easily kill Dvalin lmao.

Im not mocking u, again im stating a factual statment

“Factual statement” when you can’t even address the reasoning for the fallacies and you dodge every one of the points .

- 2 big ahh monsters in the sea that threath to destroy Liyue
Where is the bad comparasion? Oh yeah at the fact u cant accept that ur point is wrong

So either you can’t read, because the next sentence establishes why this is a bad comparison (Osial was way farther than the JC, more heads, better environmental advantage). If anything, it’s you who can’t accept the fact that your point has already been debunked.

She wasnt called the strongest, ever, she saying she at her base lvl doesnt implie she was stronger than Traveler
What u smoking?

She was narratively treated as the strongest. It was her power that was treated as sentient throughout the quest, and everyone agreed that Columbina’s power is better off being conserved to fight Rerir, which doesn’t make sense if the Traveler was >>> Columbina and so are the others, and even Arlecchino looks down on the strength of the Traveler + Columbina when she first arrived.

Why would be bigger moon = stronger? (Outside of GBE, which they cant scale)

Because it has more kuuvakhi. The eternal moon doesn’t cause tides due to its GBE, it causes tides because of its Kuuvakhi. Which implies that it’s Kuuvakhi is greater than the Iridescent and the Frostmoon.

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Meant to say, what’s the basis for that?

U just expect those to be inside of someone's body without them using the energy that its expulsing?

Correct, because the Traveler is merely described as a storage unit. Nothing more. Do you have counter evidence for it?

I mean if he only hurt Osial when getting amp and its enemy its weaken, its clear there no relativity

Osial was already heavily damaged by the Adepti alone who the 2E traveler isn’t weaker than. If Osial was a human sized foe, how do you know the Traveler wouldn’t be able to take him on? Morax did so because he could spawn mountain sized spears and fly. Traveler cannot. Adding “clear” doesn’t support your point.

Mind u Adeptus talk in 3rd person

Ganyu never talks in third person. Next.

Traveler got knock down by a single attack = he got oneshotted

I don’t think you get the point. Knocking someone out does not require you to bypass their durability = it doesn’t mean you’re stronger than them. Have you never been in a fight? Not surprised.

Venti needed the cast, because Traveler had litterally the perfect tool CORRUPTION REMOVAL ABILITY.

Wrong:
Paimon: Come to think of it, Mr. Big Anemo God Barbatos — why exactly do you need the help of mere humans...?
Venti: Ahh... How do I put it...
Venti: "The Seven" as people now know them, were once known as "The Seven Archons."
Venti: Each archon presides over their own part of Teyvat. That is the role the archons play.
Venti: Only in performing this duty can we attain power, but I don't like the idea of "ruling" Mondstadt — and I don't feel Mondstadt would really like it either.

Venti needed the cast because he was weak.

Btw when does Venti even say "Im weaker than 1E Traveler?" because GOD DAMN SON UR AT THIS POINT JUST MAKING STUFF

溫迪: 我的意思是，天空之琴不是我們的底牌。
溫迪: 真正的底牌——是Traveler呀。
派蒙:Traveler？

是因為我淨化了淚滴結晶嗎？
是因為我很能打嗎？

玩家: 是因為我很能打嗎？
溫迪: 唔嗯…當然，Traveler的戰力是很強的。
溫迪: 但在你的身上，還有更珍貴的閃光點。
溫迪:淚滴裡的汙穢雜質，和纏繞在特瓦林身上的詛咒，是同一種邪力。

Venti: What I mean is, the Holy Lyre der Himmel isn’t our trump card.
Venti:The real trump card… is the Traveler.
Paimon:The Traveler?
Traveler: Is it because I’m good at fighting?
Venti: Hmm… Of course, the Traveler’s combat ability is very strong.
Venti: But there are even more precious qualities that shine in you.

The Traveler brings up the idea that he’s the trump card because of his combat ability, and Venti agrees, saying “of course.” However, he clarifies that this isn’t the main reason the Traveler is considered the trump card. The primary reason is that the Traveler can purify Dvalin.


Even so, the notion that the Traveler is a trump card because of his strength still stands, since Venti explicitly approves of that idea. In other words, the Traveler is partly the trump card due to his fighting ability. That implies that Venti does not view the combat abilities of himself, Jean, or Diluc as being on the Traveler’s level to the point that they could be considered the same kind of trump card.

I litterally told u, do u know how to read?

And i already responded to this, by saying that Rerir’s back story does not imply anything of the sort.

burden

Already provided the line. Rhine at that time she created Bakunawa could not harness transcendent abyssal power -> she was not a Sinner.

- Moon Marrows,

No proof that Moon Marrows amp us.

Kuuvhaki Phlogiston usage,

Both are permanent buffs, not temporary, and Phlogiston in and of itself amps us through transforming into Saurian abilities, and Kuuvakhi similarly so.

Azdhada fight,

No proof they got amped stat wise. Already debunked this.

Oasis bug, Narzi,

And what stat amps did we get for this?

Dvalin

Wasn’t amped.

You threw examples in which the traveler was not amped. Are you even trying?

Why would he stop amping us for no reason?

Venti amped us to chase Dvalin across the skies and shoot him. Why would he keep amping us now that all of us has to actually fight against Dvalin? Plus Venti is shown to be getting hurt and whatnot, do you think Venti was amping the traveler then as well despite him showing no visual proof?

Now u would had to proof that somehow they didnt expect to meet her again in 5 years, why the heck all ur points relly on "Could, Maybe, If?" Potential man?

Because you don’t seem to understand basic English:

Paimon: When we last saw you, you said fate would decide how we'd meet again. Well, Paimon didn't think it would decide so quickly.

This is in comparison to what Paimon thought the required amount of time is for them to meet again.

When is this even stated, son

Voiceline about day and night cycle in Tevyat.

The description of the material says "RECORD OF UR TRAINING" u cant record something u didnt had

And the Traveler canonically did not have Pyro at that time. We know this as the Traveler was said to be sequentially using the Elements and ended with Hydro. Also, you really do lack the ability to read, this is what the description says:

“After completing Skirk's rigorous training, you and she compiled a summary of your experiences, documenting your relentless efforts and her grueling trials. Though the training has ended, revisiting these records can still yield invaluable insights.”

CN:
完成絲柯克的特訓後，與她一起總結的特訓經驗，記載了當時的不懈努力與辛苦探索。訓練雖已結束，但閱讀當初記下的筆記，仍可學到許多經驗…

仍可學到許多經驗 — One can still learn many lessons/experience from them

The traveler is learning more stuff by going through it.

Btw how are Hydro Sigils somehow more chronological relevant?

Why would a quest totally unrelated to Fontaine have hydro sigils?

Thats Cherry picking and a contradiction

How so?

Maybe because 1.1 animations were today standart?

?

He adds stuff to conv

He only says that it is beautiful and that he agrees. He doesn’t say that he already knew that the sky was fake. So your entire argument is in fact, a complete headcanon? Hilarious.

In fact, she was the one who keeps bringing it up and mentions it many times throughout the quest, and the traveler could use her experience as confirmation. Also, this is the traveler’s next voiceline lmao:

“I'd like to see what it's like up there.”

Why would he say this if he’d already seen beyond the fake sky? All the Traveler says is that he agrees the sky is beautiful, and does not comment on whether it’s real or fake.

And that Traveler was ours, its didnt either had Dull Blade nor the new one. So its subjetive to each player

So, you don’t actually know which sword traveler used in 4.8, and you just made up the headcanon that he didn’t use it at all?

Arg for Skirk being Fontaine: Archive

An actual canonical timeline for events, yes.

Proof for it being after Natlan

Pretty sad, not a single one of them is valid.

I mean try to disproof it lmao

Try proving your positive first, but you can’t anyway.

Getting owned on every single point is hilarious, son.

 

[Frostyyyy12]

So where’d it get the transcendant power from? It couldn’t have just manifested it no?

We don’t know. Bakunawa’s entire deal is still unknown, and even HoYo acknowledges this. We’ll learn later, but we know for a fact that it did not get that from Rhinedottir.

 

[Puppet43]

Try proving your positive first, but you can’t anyway.

Getting owned on every single point is hilarious, son.

Try to disprove a point i ask u
Just saying shit to bust ur ego

Pretty sad, not a single one of them is valid.

So bassicly this is a Invicible Ignorance Fallacy
GG ez, no skill, play better, bot, 67

An actual canonical timeline for events, yes.

Same Archive would tell u Mizuki quest happend in Inazuma arc, but in her voice lines she tells u

I left for Inazuma the day before the attack on the People of the Springs. Mualani wrote me a letter and told me what happened. It would seem you have quite the talent for saving the day. But, now, I can finally count the legendary (‍Traveler‍) among my acquaintances.

Bassicly she meeted Traveler for the first time after 5.0 Quest

you don’t actually know which sword traveler used in 4.8

No one*
There no a single fight cutscene (Where Traveler unleashes his sword, because he doesnt do it for Durin) in the entire version
So neither me, u, Gianny, Sahl nor Aether VA have an answer

In fact, she was the one who keeps bringing it up and mentions it many times throughout the quest, and the traveler could use her experience as confirmation. Also, this is the traveler’s next voiceline lmao:

“I'd like to see what it's like up there.”

Why would he say this if he’d already seen beyond the fake sky? All the Traveler says is that he agrees the sky is beautiful, and does not comment on whether it’s real or fake.

• Skirk says that even if the sky is false she would like to visit it and find peace
• Traveler agress with such statment

So tell me how is agreeing with the fact of fake sky and finding peace for a small ammount of time = Not knowing sky is fake?

Why would a quest totally unrelated to Fontaine have hydro sigils?

Xingqui quest is shown Mondstandt in Archive yet give u Liyue Sigils

How so?

The cherry picking comes from the mear fact that u would litterally say "Gameplay stuff dont hold any chronological relevance" yet use a gameplay stuff to use an arg

We know this as the Traveler was said to be sequentially using the Elements and ended with Hydro.

This is just found in the english, i tought of all people u were gonna be the first one to check the CN version which says

依次训练了不同的元素力,最后以水元素收尾………
They trained in different elemental powers one element at a time, concluding with water element...

It doesnt say anything about order, just that we finish in Hydro

Voiceline about day and night cycle in Tevyat.

- Traveler thinking days are kinda short = he sees Teyvat time going faster?

Why would he keep amping us now that all of us has to actually fight against Dvalin?

Because the foe we fighting its the same strength?

Plus Venti is shown to be getting hurt and whatnot,

• Looks inside
• Never got hurted

You threw examples in which the traveler was not amped. Are you even trying?

No proof they got amped stat wise. Already debunked this.

No proof that Moon Marrows amp us.

3 Invicible Ignorants in a row
JACKPOT!!!

And what stat amps did we get for this?

- The god damn sword that is requiered to kill Narzi? Perhaps

Both are permanent buffs, not temporary, and Phlogiston

Even if they are permanent they should buff Traveler by ur logic

Rhine at that time she created Bakunawa could not harness transcendent abyssal power

Enjou clarificates later that Bakunawa is not called trascendent for that reason, but he harness another kind of abyssal energy, stronger that the one Durin and Elynas are made. Bassicly this abyssal manipulation is so strong can mess up with a Shade's domain

that Rerir’s back story does not imply anything of the sort.

The cutscene

Venti: What I mean is, the Holy Lyre der Himmel isn’t our trump card.
Venti:The real trump card… is the Traveler.
Paimon:The Traveler?
Traveler: Is it because I’m good at fighting?
Venti: Hmm… Of course, the Traveler’s combat ability is very strong.
Venti: But there are even more precious qualities that shine in you.

ARE WE SCALING OF SOMEONE PRAISING ANOTHER'S STRENGTH
GOD DAMN IF GOJO SAYS YUTA AND HAKARI ARE STRONG THAT MEANS THEY ARE GOJO LVL?
SUKUNA PRAISED JOGO STRENGTH, THAT MEANS JOGOAT IS 15F SUKUNA LVL?
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And answering the other comment of this topic, u Autodebunked urself.
In ur words "venti PRIMARILY recluted him because of his ability" his strength came 2nd (didnt matter as much)

Knocking someone out does not require you to bypass their durability = it doesn’t mean you’re stronger than them.

So by ur logic an average John could knock down Mike Tyson by pure physical prowess?

Mine is a negative claim. It is not my burden lmao.

U can indeed proof a negative

The game states that he can beat Skofnunger alone, and we never saw that fight. How do you know that a major part of the fight wasn’t the Traveler using the elements?

Son, thats a damn fallacy

Maybe you’re not able to comprehend it, but the amount of time we see the fight matters because the traveler could in fact be using the elements at the off screen moments.

Yet 4/5 cutscenes against Rerir are elementless

Nice headcanon. Where was it said explicitly that they never once used it during the fights? Your observation doesn’t need to apply universally.

No, it was EXPLICITY SHOWN TO NOT USE IT

No? Why would the entire sword glowing and turning into a full Geo color be an effect of the sword? Is the Traveler making any sparks here? Lmao.

Yes, it is.

• Traveler sword = Goldish
• Geo = Brown yellohish

Childe’s cutscene explicitly shows the Traveler’s clothes not changing color despite him using a different elements. This is a recent addition.

- No, all cutscenes (except the weekly boss ones, because those preload of ur Traveler) had shown the correct element they using. Ur seeing an Outliner

Hydro has been shown in the Dottore boss fight.

As a shield, he hasnt imbuded his sword with it

The traveler infuses his sword with Anemo especially after Columbina buffs. The traveler also infuses his sword with Geo even before the buffs. Same for Anemo as well. They just got more blatant post Columbina amp.

Traveler could go that since 1.0 with const. But guess what, gameplay shoudnt be consider canon until shown

So, what exactly is the difference in shading? Also, these are Nightsoul animations lmao.

Son, the nightsoul has no blue particles

And your proof for that is absolutely nothing. You’ve only shown evidence of characters using Nightsoul all throughout their body.

"Ur only showing evidence of what the game has shown us"

So Mavuika doesn’t actually need to cover her entire body with Nightsoul markings to enter Nightsoul state?? If you scroll further, Dain again says that Mavuika enters the Nightsoul state, with the markings this time. Which implies it’s stronger. Further, this is not Ronova amp, this is Mavuika’s Nightsoul state. Has nothing to do with the Ronova amp.

Dude show a pic of the first
and the second, yeah, it went inconsistent for 5.3, because we had tattoes in Mavuika vs both Gosoy and Xbalanque for no reason

You can’t even prove that Dvalin was hurt by Venti’s arrow,

I think i already show u the clip like 50 times

Venti, like i said, has to get heavily injured to beat a base Dvalin lmao.
Except that doesn’t work, because the Traveler isn’t weaker than Pyro Fatui. Getting knocked out ≠ weaker. Also, the mondstadt quest begins with the Fatui saying that they can easily kill Dvalin lmao.

• So u gennually believe Chongyun is 6B?
• Venti never got injured
• Even if knocking down doesnt implied they are stronger they still subdue him; so yeah there some relativity

So either you can’t read, because the next sentence establishes why this is a bad comparison (Osial was way farther than the JC, more heads, better environmental advantage). If anything, it’s you who can’t accept the fact that your point has already been debunked.

Beisht had a entire tsunami between the 2, so she was the worst in enviromental stuff
And both Beisht and Osial were around same distance, the Jade Chamber was even getting closer because was out of bounds for their weaponry (which should have same distance as in osial fight)

She was narratively treated as the strongest. It was her power that was treated as sentient throughout the quest, and everyone agreed that Columbina’s power is better off being conserved to fight Rerir, which doesn’t make sense if the Traveler was >>> Columbina and so are the others, and even Arlecchino looks down on the strength of the Traveler + Columbina when she first arrived.

Power as in stamina, she didnt even use her powers in said fight, she was amped to be a Rerir equal

Because it has more kuuvakhi. The eternal moon doesn’t cause tides due to its GBE, it causes tides because of its Kuuvakhi. Which implies that it’s Kuuvakhi is greater than the Iridescent and the Frostmoon.

Actually all moons could affect the tides

Osial was already heavily damaged by the Adepti alone who the 2E traveler isn’t weaker than. If Osial was a human sized foe, how do you know the Traveler wouldn’t be able to take him on? Morax did so because he could spawn mountain sized spears and fly. Traveler cannot.

Gonna make this fast

• Traveler was oneshotted by Beisht
• Shenhe won against Beisht
• Cloud Retainer should be superior to Shenhe and she implied to be able to deal with Beisht
• Weakend Osial tanked multiple shots from Cloud Retainer Weaponry + the other 2 adeptus also shooting their adept power (should be relative)

Ganyu never talks in third person. Next.

CN does booooo

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Try to disprove a point i ask u
Just saying shit to bust ur ego

You should stop speaking just to speak. I have no obligation to prove a negative when you can’t even prove your positive claim. Instead of ducking (burden shifting), actually engage with the point.

So bassicly this is a Invicible Ignorance Fallacy
GG ez, no skill, play better, bot, 67

Invincible ignorance when i already debunked all of them. You’re the one committing invincible ignorance.

Same Archive would tell u Mizuki quest happend in Inazuma arc, but in her voice lines she tells u Bassicly she meeted Traveler for the first time after 5.0 Quest

Where does she say that? Because as i see, nothing in her voiceline implies that we met her after 5.0.

No one*
There no a single fight cutscene (Where Traveler unleashes his sword, because he doesnt do it for Durin) in the entire version
So neither me, u, Gianny, Sahl nor Aether VA have an answer

So yes, again, you just assumed that because we did not see the Traveler unleash his sword, he must have only gotten it after 4.8z Nice argument from Ignorance.

Skirk says that even if the sky is false she would like to visit it and find peace
Traveler agress with such statment
So tell me how is agreeing with the fact of fake sky and finding peace for a small ammount of time = Not knowing sky is fake?

Nice try making up voicelines:

Skirk: It's not real, and yet... it is for that very reason that I can look upon it and enjoy the momentary peace it brings

Skirk never says that she would like to visit it and find peace. She says that looking upon it gives her peace: Traveler agrees by saying that it’s beautiful. That’s all. He only says that he’d like to see what’s up there, nothing more. That doesn’t mean he knew the Sky was fake already. In fact, he could’ve taken Skirk’s words as proof that they were fake.

They already had plenty of suspicions that the sky was fake. And they trust Skirk; so skirk speaking like the fake sky is a fact can be used to confirm their suspicions and they don’t have to mention it.

Xingqui quest is shown Mondstandt in Archive yet give u Liyue Sigils

Xingqiu’s story quest happens during the Mondstadt arc, i.e, before Act 1 of Liyue. It gives you Geo sigils because it takes place in Liyue. Does Skirk’s story quest take place in Fontaine?

The cherry picking comes from the mear fact that u would litterally say "Gameplay stuff dont hold any chronological relevance" yet use a gameplay stuff to use an arg

Nice strawman. I never said this. What i said was that the Traveler is learning new stuff from the training review and hence why he gets pyro materials.

This is just found in the english, i tought of all people u were gonna be the first one to check the CN version which says

Stop LARPing bro:
依次 - sequence

It doesnt say anything about order, just that we finish in Hydro

依 - according to
次 - order

This is what the CN says.

Traveler thinking days are kinda short = he sees Teyvat time going faster?

He thinks Tevyat days are short because he’s accustomed to a different perception of time. He sees Tevyat’s days as faster.

Because the foe we fighting its the same strength?

Irrelevant? Before it was only the Traveler shooting with the Thousand Winds. Now, all of them have to fight against Dvalin directly. Including Venti who can’t even fight by himself.

Looks inside
Never got hurted

You mean the same Venti who got hit by Dvalin’s wind ball and took a longer time to get up than Diluc?

3 Invicible Ignorants in a row
JACKPOT!!!

Invincible ignorance again when i already debunked your arguments. Try harder.

- The god damn sword that is requiered to kill Narzi? Perhaps

What’s the stat amp? Because:
1. The blade was relevant because it can cut spirit and will.
2. The fact that we get the blade itself is evidence. They gave the blade to us.

Even if they are permanent they should buff Traveler by ur logic

No, you’re strawmanning my premise. I said that lore relevant temporary amps during quests always tend to give us in-game buffs.

Enjou clarificates later that Bakunawa is not called trascendent for that reason, but he harness another kind of abyssal energy, stronger that the one Durin and Elynas are made. Bassicly this abyssal manipulation is so strong can mess up with a Shade's domain

Idk what’s so hard to understand. Enjou says that Gold when she created Bakunawa, at that time she could not harness that abyssal energy. Which implies that she later on gained the ability to do so.

The only thing that could’ve actually given her the ability to do so is harnessing the transcendent abyssal energy that she got when she became a sinner. Meaning Gold created Bakunawa when she wasn’t a Sinner. So where’s your proof that Sinner Gold’s arm was eaten?

The cutscene

And what part of the cutscene implies that?

ARE WE SCALING OF SOMEONE PRAISING ANOTHER'S STRENGTH
GOD DAMN IF GOJO SAYS YUTA AND HAKARI ARE STRONG THAT MEANS THEY ARE GOJO LVL?
SUKUNA PRAISED JOGO STRENGTH, THAT MEANS JOGOAT IS 15F SUKUNA LVL?

Reading comprehension final boss. Not only did you fail to utterly comprehend anything i said, you also made up your own version of what i said.

Venti isn’t “praising” the Traveler’s strength. Traveler is asking if he’s the trump card because of his combat ability, to which Venti responds as “Yes”, but says that it is not the main reason why he called him the trump card. This is literally the voiceline:

Traveler: Maybe I’m the trump card because I’m strong.
Venti: Of course. (agreement)
Venti: But the main reason is that you can purify Dvalin.

Traveler can be considered as a trump card due to combat ability, that is the implication. Which means that he has to be stronger than the rest of the team, otherwise it doesn’t make sense to consider him a trump card due to it.

And answering the other comment of this topic, u Autodebunked urself.
In ur words "venti PRIMARILY recluted him because of his ability" his strength came 2nd (didnt matter as much)

Again, reading comprehension final boss. I already addressed this:

Even so, the notion that the Traveler is a trump card because of his strength still stands, since Venti explicitly approves of that idea.

So by ur logic an average John could knock down Mike Tyson by pure physical prowess?

If the average John got the chance to do so, then yes.

A knockout occurs due to the sudden acceleration and abrupt stopping of the head, causing the brain to jolt and collide with the skull.

This impact is the reason for knockouts, and you don't necessarily have to exceed someone's durability to knock them out. It's debatable if the knockout even exceeded Traveler’s durability, and furthermore, it's unclear if Traveler was actually physically harmed by the attack.
The reason why this isn’t considered possible practically because the average John would never actually hit the punch, and even if he does, he might never actually hit the perfect spot, unlike the Fatui who are elite trained assassins.

U can indeed proof a negative

And yet, it is not my burden.

Son, thats a damn fallacy

It is not. Actually, you’re the one committing an appeal to probability, because you think that since the Traveler might’ve not used the elements, he MUST’VE not used the elements, which is what you asserted to prove your point.

As you failed to prove this, he could still be dealing with Skofnunger by using his elements, therefore breaking your argument apart.

Yet 4/5 cutscenes against Rerir are elementless

Because 4/5 cutscenes are mostly off-screen.

No, it was EXPLICITY SHOWN TO NOT USE IT

So because of your limited empirical observation, the Traveler must’ve not used his elements? Do you know why it’s not proof that someone didn’t commit a murder by showing a video of them leaving the camera’s POV to go to a blind spot?

Traveler sword = Goldish
Geo = Brown yellohish

Cope.

- No, all cutscenes (except the weekly boss ones, because those preload of ur Traveler) had shown the correct element they using. Ur seeing an Outliner

Weekly boss cutscenes? The Childe cutscene isn’t a weekly boss cutscene, it’s a story cutscene because it only appears in the story and not in the weekly boss. But however, the SnK cutscene is also a weekly boss cutscene.

However, if your argument is that they use the preloaded model of your traveler, then you can never discern what element they’re using because they’re in preloaded clothes.

As a shield, he hasnt imbuded his sword with it

15:47.

Traveler could go that since 1.0 with const. But guess what, gameplay shoudnt be consider canon until shown

They don’t need constellation for that. It’s a part of their base kit. You also have no idea how gameplay story segregation works. Unless there is a contradiction, gameplay is considered canon. Are you implying that HoYo is putting characters to different standards?

Son, the nightsoul has no blue particles

Son, the Traveler’s Nightsoul animations have blue particles. That’s a part of their kit.

While in the Nightsoul's Blessing state, the Traveler's Normal, Charged, and Plunging Attacks will be converted to Nightsoul-aligned Pyro DMG that cannot be overridden, and the CRIT DMG of these attacks is increased by 40%.

"Ur only showing evidence of what the game has shown us"

That is simply an argument from ignorance.

Dude show a pic of the first
and the second,

You literally just admitted that Mavuika doesn’t need to go into a state with Nightsoul markings and have it cover her entire body to use Nightsoul. What are you talking about lmao.

yeah, it went inconsistent for 5.3, because we had tattoes in Mavuika vs both Gosoy and Xbalanque for no reason

How is it inconsistent? You haven’t proven that she only gets it when using Ronova’s powers, but we have two examples directly contradicting that which means she does not need Ronova’s powers.

I think i already show u the clip like 50 times

I think i already addressed it like 50 times.

So u gennually believe Chongyun is 6B?

Or, maybe Dvalin simply isn’t 6B? Traveler undoubtedly has scaling to Dvalin.

• Venti never got injured

He canonically would’ve gotten injured without our help, and the first cutscene of the boss fight has all of us getting injured and getting back up.

• Even if knocking down doesnt implied they are stronger they still subdue him; so yeah there some relativity

They subdued him because they were first caught off guard by Signora and hit by her. Then they appear out of nowhere. This is after the Traveler already chased them away as well.

Beisht had a entire tsunami between the 2, so she was the worst in enviromental stuff

The Tsunami wasn’t that big. It was small enough that the Traveler could jump over it compared to the Jade Chamber. Osial was way farther, Traveler was less experienced with his elements(Morax’s second story quest happens way later), and moreover, Beisht only has one head, whereas Traveler would’ve had to take out all the heads. He can’t fly. Osial was also far larger than Beisht.

And both Beisht and Osial were around same distance,

Entirely false.

the Jade Chamber was even getting closer because was out of bounds for their weaponry (which should have same distance as in osial fight)

Guizhong ballistas were everywhere in the Beisht fight but wasn’t the same for Osial fight. What’re you talking about?

Power as in stamina, she didnt even use her powers in said fight, she was amped to be a Rerir equal

Not just stamina. Columbina says that it was maybe enough to actually stop hiding and at least do something against Rerir, which implies she must’ve though she’s stronger than the Traveler because otherwise, she’d look dumb as the Traveler himself has to hide from Rerir.

Also, they amped her to Rerir’s level because only then they actually realised how strong Rerir was.

Actually all moons could affect the tides

What part of this says that? In fact, it was emphasised several times that it was Aria’s moon who did so.

“The Eternal Moon's orbit guides the rise and fall of the tides. With a languid motion, the goddess lets her hand fall, drawing forth a ripple across the Primordial Sea, the great ocean, and numberless crowds.”

Traveler was oneshotted by Beisht

Addressed this. Traveler was simply knocked out by being hit at the back of his head into the mountain.

Shenhe won against Beisht

She needed the Traveler’s help.

Cloud Retainer should be superior to Shenhe and she implied to be able to deal with Beisht

Why should CR be superior to Shenhe? in terms of abilities and experience? Sure. But in terms of raw combative strength? Baseless.

When did she imply she should be able to deal with Beisht? Even Traveler was able to deal with Beisht.

Weakened Osial tanked multiple shots from Cloud Retainer Weaponry + the other 2 adeptus also shooting their adept power (should be relative)

Osial was at his peak during the fight, not weakened. He was weakened and badly wounded by the Adepti, who Ganyu says the Traveler is not weaker than. In fact, this already proves relativity at the minimum, because Zhongli is relative to Osial who was heavily wounded by the 3 Adepti, who in and of itself are relative to the 2E traveler.

CN does booooo

When? When has Ganyu ever referred to herself in third person in the CN? Also, “ours” is not third person, it’s the entire group lmao.

 

[Puppet43]

Frosty, I've warned you several times already. You've spent three pages on a debate that has nothing to do with the original topic. Either we go back to the original topic, or you simply leave the CRT.

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Frosty, I've warned you several times already. You've spent three pages on a debate that has nothing to do with the original topic.

Puppet, i’ve told you several times already, that these changes can be implemented, and that you need to ping staff now. Instead of whining to me about how “i’ve spent three pages on a debate that has nothing to do with the topic”(which it very much does in accordance to what you were proposing), get to work?

Either we go back to the original topic, or you simply leave the CRT.

If you can’t keep up, can’t put forth legible retorts without being disingenuous, and don’t want to respond, then feel free. Just don’t try to hide being “this is derailing the CRT!!” after replying to me for the past 3 pages. If you were solely worried about this debate derailing the topic too much, then you wouldn’t have engaged a back and forth.

 

[Puppet43]

get to work?

i had called 6 mods if we include twilight, is not my fault they dont come here

which it very much does in accordance to what you were proposing

Oh yeah how could i forgot. Traveler sword has a alot to do with downgrade some character that were to high

 

[Frostyyyy12]

i had called 6 mods if we include twilight, is not my fault they dont come here

Then to be frank, that’s your issue. Our discussion shouldn’t have an impact on it. Worst case scenario, you should just contact them again.

Oh yeah how could i forgot. Traveler sword has a alot to do with downgrade some character that were to high

It has to do with where you downgrade that character from and why it’s in and of itself flawed.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Your presence here would be appreciated. @Reiner04, @Vietthai96, @Dalesean027, @ActuallySpaceMan42

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[Puppet43]

Bump

 

[AsterReal]

Ignoring the debate with Frosty. Everything looks fine.

 

[LoudestProcedure]

Can someone dm some mods about this since most seem to agree

 

[Puppet43]

Can someone dm some mods about this since most seem to agree

I mean i send this threath to 6/7 mods
But only twilight answer, Reiner just left a like in Twilight comment

 

[Puppet43]

Bump

 

[Puppet43]

BUMP

 

[Natsuki012]

neutral for now