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He copied it when he was immune to said technique. Also he did so as Ultimate Kars.
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Ikki vs Kars
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It is worth noting that this is before Ultimate Lifeform, where he does all of his bullshit, though his Base key is still extremely potent in skill and strategy, using even underhanded methods to get a leg-up.
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>Trained their entire livesHl3 or bust said:
I mean...ikki did something similar by copying a lifetime of training by looking at the stance of the daughter of the dude who knew could do it.
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They seem close. I'd say this:
Kars is much more experienced
Ikki is more skilled, but not to the point of a skillstomp
Kars is much more experienced
Ikki is more skilled, but not to the point of a skillstomp
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Has Ikki ever fought an army of those guys?
alone?
and when their only weapon is antithetical to his very existence?
alone?
and when their only weapon is antithetical to his very existence?
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Literally only means he's much stronger and more skilled than them and can dodge those antithetical weapons. Nothing more.
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Ikki indeed defeated an army of people by himself, but not on this key.Hl3 or bust said:
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Hamon users are literally made to kill people like Kars. Yet, he can still easily solo them without any issues.
Kars is more experienced, and an unholy amount more skilled. Ikki can't even compare in the slightest.
Kars is more experienced, and an unholy amount more skilled. Ikki can't even compare in the slightest.
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Ok, and? Doesn't mean he isn't stronger, faster and more skilled to take them out. Don't act like taking out a bunch of people vastly weaker than you is incredibly impressive because many characters do that.
Kars is more expereiced. Not seen anything demonstrating he's more skilled.
Kars is more expereiced. Not seen anything demonstrating he's more skilled.
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To put it into perspective, it's like tossing vampire into a pit with dozens of Nazis with giant UV lights on their shoulders.
That is precisely what happened. Replace Vampire with Pillar Man, and that's exactly what happened. And he fought a bunch of monks wielding the one weapon literally meant to kill Pillar Men and vampires.
That is precisely what happened. Replace Vampire with Pillar Man, and that's exactly what happened. And he fought a bunch of monks wielding the one weapon literally meant to kill Pillar Men and vampires.
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Ikki literally fought a girl who had thousands of cuts in space that could damage ikki if he came into contact, yet he went like "lol precog and lol info analysis" and dodged every single hit after being sure that she was cheating. Like trust me you don't want me to go into detalis as to how ikki beat a guy who he could not sense by the help of all senses.
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Ikki copies techniques. Kars copies techniques that are meant to kill him.EmperorRorepme said:
Ikki fights armies. Kars fights armies specifically equipped and trained in fighting styles and weapons meant only to kill him.
Ikki fights like, well, a halfway skilled harem protagonist. Kars fights with wits, tricking and tormenting the enemy with superior tactics.
"Vastly weaker than you" You know they were carrying a weapon literally designed to kill Kars, right? DIO, another character weak to Hamon, refused to strike Joseph in Part 3 because he suspected Joseph lit himself with Hamon vines that could seriously injure and/or kill him just by touching them.
Kars kills people who can seriously injure him with every blow.
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Oh i forgot to mention. Read Ikki's profile, everything in there is skill. So in ikki's case it's called "i use my skill to beat your abilities".ThePixelKirby said:
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May I evaluate AP for a second?
Ikki is superior to 1.0648e9 (1/100th of Touka's City Block calc, correct me if I am wrong), while Kars is stronger than a guy who's stronger than DIO who's stronger than Tarkus who's 3.1672e9. So, that's at least a x3 AP advantage, likely more.
Am I missing something here, by the way?
Ikki is superior to 1.0648e9 (1/100th of Touka's City Block calc, correct me if I am wrong), while Kars is stronger than a guy who's stronger than DIO who's stronger than Tarkus who's 3.1672e9. So, that's at least a x3 AP advantage, likely more.
Am I missing something here, by the way?
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Why does copying techniques meant to kill you change the degree of difficulty to master and learn the technique.
Kars fights armies who are vastly weaker and slower than him making the weapons useless.
You know nothing about Ikki if you think he fights in a generic manner. Ikki fights while analysing his opponents techniques copying them and improving to the point where he can overwhelm someone in combat with their own technique although they have a huge AP advantage. Everytime he clashes with said person he has to take into account many different factors and if one of those factors is incorrect he would get annihilated on the spot and he does all this simultaenously. His analysis is so good he was able to locate an invisible opponent and dodge hundreds of invisble arrows.
That's just an AP advantage.
Kars fights armies who are vastly weaker and slower than him making the weapons useless.
You know nothing about Ikki if you think he fights in a generic manner. Ikki fights while analysing his opponents techniques copying them and improving to the point where he can overwhelm someone in combat with their own technique although they have a huge AP advantage. Everytime he clashes with said person he has to take into account many different factors and if one of those factors is incorrect he would get annihilated on the spot and he does all this simultaenously. His analysis is so good he was able to locate an invisible opponent and dodge hundreds of invisble arrows.
That's just an AP advantage.
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I will admit, Precognition may be a bit of an issue. Though, at best it could equalize the skill gap, here. Ikki needs to use his abilities, such as precognition, in order to perform his 'skill' feats. Thus, if the opponent is also very skilled, but also has High-Mid and will literally absorb Ikki in close-quarters combat... Well, Ikki's ******.Firephoenixearl said:
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Where are you getting this "vastly weaker" stuff from? All of the Pillar Man he defeated are at least comparable to him and all of the Hamon masters are somewhat physically comparable to him as well. Not to mention that german technology is superior to him and he still is able to defeat all of them with ease.
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>Fights like a halfway skilled harem protagonist
Hahahahaha, good one.
Hahahahaha, good one.
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I'm just making sure, since a x3 advantage (Actually, x4 is more accurate as a lowball, considering Kars is Building Level+, which is closer to 4e9)...EmperorRorepme said:
I'll vote Kars via skill, abilities, and a much higher AP advantage.
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If you think precog right now, is a problem wait till ikki gets out of revisions and see just how broken his precog is.ThePixelKirby said:
>Needs to use precog to perform skill feats
Lol no, Precog is a skill feat on it's own, he has thousands.
>If the opponent is very skilled.
Tell that to any of Ikki's opponents.
>Absorb ikki in close quarters.
Only if ikki touches him, which will be unlikely for a sword user.
Btw ikki's 1st skill feat in the series:
"After a few clashes I perfectly copied the style that took a international genius that is born once in 30 years 15 years to learn. It also took me 30 seconds to perfectly master the style perfecting all its imperfections and making the style essentially flawless"
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Kars FRA. Additionally, Kars is more than capable of just stretching his arm out the moment Ikki gets in range and just melting him.
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Ikki FRA. I think Ikki can dodge.
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Kars FRA. Kars can just absorb his sword honestly.
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I forgot about Trackless Step. Ikki can just use that and slash with phantom.
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JoJo FRA train vs. Ikki FRA train? This is awesome!
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Even if Ikki dodges, he literally can't land a hit. Any time he gets close, Kars will either Light Blade him and chop him into a few dozen pieces, absorb him, absorb his sword, or simply melee him to death.
How does Ikki actually win here? Outskill someone who can literally eat your blade upon contact? Punch someone who can eat you upon contact? Can someone tell me how Ikki actually kills Kars?
How does Ikki actually win here? Outskill someone who can literally eat your blade upon contact? Punch someone who can eat you upon contact? Can someone tell me how Ikki actually kills Kars?
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1. Ikki can stay in Trackless Step. Kars cannot perceive him.
2. Phantom doesn't do physical damage it just takes away your stamina with minor blows and makes you go to sleep with major blows.
3. The Blade is pretty much Ikki's soul and Kars cannot break a device.
2. Phantom doesn't do physical damage it just takes away your stamina with minor blows and makes you go to sleep with major blows.
3. The Blade is pretty much Ikki's soul and Kars cannot break a device.
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>Kars cells are literally acid
I mean i believe he did say "Kars cannot break a device". Ikki's device is unphazed by stella's fire which burns at 3000 degrees celsius, you really think acid will do anything here? And btw, devices can tank 7-B blows and not break.
I mean i believe he did say "Kars cannot break a device". Ikki's device is unphazed by stella's fire which burns at 3000 degrees celsius, you really think acid will do anything here? And btw, devices can tank 7-B blows and not break.
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I mean ugh...FRA trains for a verse that's in revisions.Ionliosite said:
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I know Rakudai is on revisions, that's why I ain't voting.Firephoenixearl said:
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I know you know that i know you know.
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Kars FRA.
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Nah pretty sure they all got one-shotted with the new abilities he got from the mask. The light slashes one-shots them. Kars with those abilities is vasty superior to the regular people of his clan.Ogbunabali said:
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These FRAs don't make sense. How does Kars counter Trackless Step and Phantom putting him to sleep?
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Sapping stamina shouldn't work on someone who can regenerate stamina like it's nothing.
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What do you mean "getting close to Kars" as if Trackless Step isn't a thing.
Phantom with a fatal blow puts him to sleep it doesn't sap stamina.
Phantom with a fatal blow puts him to sleep it doesn't sap stamina.
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