Ikit Claw vs Gabriel (Tiersetter Tourney R2M2)

[Agnaa]

Angel vs army, keeping my tourney chugging along.

Ikit Claw has an hour of preparation beforehand. For context, this is enough to amass an army, some Warp Lightning Cannons, but not the Morskittar engine.

Gabriel's exact AP isn't too important; he's one-shotting everything Ikit has, and only getting threatened by Warp Lightning Cannons and hax.

Speed will be equalised. Other than that, the battle assumptions will be standard; starting range will be 4km from both Gabriel's teleportation and Warplightning Cannon being able to reach that far (even though the latter isn't mentioned on the profile).

Ikit Claw: 3 (@DaReaperMan, @Jerry59, @Shadowslash125)

Gabriel: 0

Inconclusive: 0

@DaReaperMan @Jerry59

 

[Jerry59]

Gabe has experience with army (a 7-C army btw, though ofc with his angel boyfriends) and has dealt with at least thousands of machines before the V1 match, so this isn't going to be much different. If he gets hit by those dura-neg bullets, that’ll just make him more cautious, and he’ll quickly aim at Ikit. Gabe is way better at cqc, plus he has homing attacks to stress the rat guy. Oh right! These homing attacks explode too!

 

[DaReaperMan]

There's sort of too many bullets for Gabriel to properly dodge, let alone the chaff that would attract the homing attacks instead. Plus, Gabe would be getting close enough for poison wind mortars and shit to work, so unless bro can dodge bullets like rain, he's dead, there's no second chances because he lacks the immortality to take a Warpstone bullet to anything close to center mass and live.

At worst for Ikit this is incon, but seeing as Ikit's army can one-shot Gabe long before he's done flapping his gums... Ikit FRA.

 

[Jerry59]

There's sort of too many bullets for Gabriel to properly dodge, let alone the chaff that would attract the homing attacks instead. Plus, Gabe would be getting close enough for poison wind mortars and shit to work, so unless bro can dodge bullets like rain, he's dead, there's no second chances because he lacks the immortality to take a Warpstone bullet to anything close to center mass and live.

At worst for Ikit this is incon, but seeing as Ikit's army can one-shot Gabe long before he's done flapping his gums... Ikit FRA.

How exactly can the chaff attract the homing attacks? Also he can summons swords around Ikit so aye. How many bullets are actually going to be fired at him? Plus he has insane pain tolerance, so he should be able to endure at least several of them. And if tagging a danmaku dodger means he can somewhat dodge like that, then there you go, dodging fucktons of hitscan bullets and getting close. Or idk, he could just teleport and instantly throwing hands or whatever he has at Ikit, cmon now- i'm voting Gabe

 

[Agnaa]

I mean, if we are speaking about chaff, SBA puts them both in NYC. There's a lotta buildings and people around.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Warp Lightning Cannon being able to reach that far

Just curious, doesn't Ikit's profile states that his warp lightning can reach about 100 metres, rather than being completely 4km? Not that it really matters this match cuz the range is dictated by Gabe's tp range.

 

[Agnaa]

Just curious, doesn't Ikit's profile states that his warp lightning can reach about 100 metres, rather than being completely 4km? Not that it really matters this match cuz the range is dictated by Gabe's tp range.

I believe that's just the Storm Daemon's range. The Warplightning Cannon is essentially an artillery piece; it can launch bombs to locations kilometers way, with a smaller AoE when it explodes.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Ah, makes sense.

 

[DaReaperMan]

How exactly can the chaff attract the homing attacks?

I don't know, there's plenty of meat bags and Ikit isn't entirely immobile.

Also he can summons swords around Ikit so aye.

then Ikit hits them with Storm Daemon's AoE. or a Warp fire blast.

How many bullets are actually going to be fired at him?

How many pieces of bread have you eaten? double that number. Maybe triple it.

Plus he has insane pain tolerance, so he should be able to endure at least several of them.

You want to know what Warpstone does to those who ingest it if one does not resist it? Let's just say, he can endure several for like a second before he succumbs to the death crap that comes with Warpstone, even most Skaven can't endure it, and they explicitly resist the effects to an extent.

And if tagging a danmaku dodger means he can somewhat dodge like that, then there you go, dodging fucktons of hitscan bullets and getting close.

just tagging doesn't mean you're perfectly equal in terms of other skill, and V1 can dodge god Gabe so yeh.

Or idk, he could just teleport and instantly throwing hands or whatever he has at Ikit, cmon now- i'm voting Gabe

he could do that, or he could die long before he does that, or he could underestimate Ikit's AoE, or numerous other things.

 

[Jerry59]

I don't know, there's plenty of meat bags and Ikit isn't entirely immobile.

The meat bags ? Ya mean the slaves? Aren't they a bunch of dastards who would run for their lives or backstab each other if things didn’t go well for them, meaning Ikit can only grab one of them and the like to shield himself ? And Gabe can use both the budget Storm Blades and the homing attacks simultaneously. Ikit isn’t immobile, but he isn’t very agile either, you should at least be as good as an Ova FPS character like Jack Banhammer if you actually want to be able to dodge these

then Ikit hits them with Storm Daemon's AoE. or a Warp fire blast.

can he do that with the many other weapons Gabe throws at him while protecting himself ?

How many pieces of bread have you eaten? double that number. Maybe triple it.

i understand that reference but, Reaper i have eaten rice most of my life

You want to know what Warpstone does to those who ingest it if one does not resist it? Let's just say, he can endure several for like a second before he succumbs to the death crap that comes with Warpstone, even most Skaven can't endure it, and they explicitly resist the effects to an extent.

just tagging doesn't mean you're perfectly equal in terms of other skill, and V1 can dodge god Gabe so yeh.

I see. So at least several or even hundreds of thousands of radioactive bullets coming at him. It would be absolutely crazy if these weren’t WW1-style weapons, blitz no one and have a chance to explode, and they both are 4 whole kilometers apart. The only stuff that can reach that far are Warplightning Cannons and more often than not, those don’t even hit Gabe. They even have a higher chance of self-destructing Ikit's army asses than anything else
Ofc tagging someone doesn’t mean you’re exactly equal to them, but it should still be relative. And you already know V1 is a crazy mf to fight in the first place. And nah, that nikkon didn’t just easily dodge Gabe’s bullshits, like, he’s the second or third most skilled dude in the verse, the only one to survive it twice, and he has actual feat of stomping Class T worth of machines soooo

he could do that, or he could die long before he does that, or he could underestimate Ikit's AoE, or numerous other things.

good thing Gabey doesn’t underestimate an army of millions of suspicious greenish rats throwing genocidal ahh kind of weapons at him. Plus he’s a smort tactical angel, and he’s really mad, and racist toward you

 

[DaReaperMan]

The meat bags ? Ya mean the slaves? Aren't they a bunch of dastards who would run for their lives or backstab each other if things didn’t go well for them, meaning Ikit can only grab one of them and the like to shield himself ?

You do realize there's other things than Skavenslaves right? even they would attract homing shots because there's so god damn many of them, but Stormvermin would not exactly retreat from a being like Gabriel, especially not when he comes in and gets shot on pure accident because he got into the line of fire.

And Gabe can use both the budget Storm Blades and the homing attacks simultaneously. Ikit isn’t immobile, but he isn’t very agile either, you should at least be as good as an Ova FPS character like Jack Banhammer if you actually want to be able to dodge these

Good thing Gabriel is dead before then, eh? And Ikit can both jump and let the meat shields he surrounds himself with tank the hits. Or attack with Storm Daemon which is pretty much instant death.

can he do that with the many other weapons Gabe throws at him while protecting himself ?

I think you didn't read "AoE", so uh... yeah. he can. Warpstone weaponry and abilities ARE dura neg. and Ikit has no concern for skaven life when it comes to deleting an upstart.

i understand that reference but, Reaper i have eaten rice most of my life

I see. So at least several or even hundreds of thousands of radioactive bullets coming at him. It would be absolutely crazy if these weren’t WW1-style weapons, blitz no one and have a chance to explode, and they both are 4 whole kilometers apart. The only stuff that can reach that far are Warplightning Cannons and more often than not, those don’t even hit Gabe. They even have a higher chance of self-destructing Ikit's army asses than anything else

Let's see... "Unknown with teleportation" Good thing Gabriel takes eons to actually reach Ikit, so he's getting shot, no questions asked. Also, you imply Ikit would keep those warp lightning cannons close to his other warpstone stuff, there's enough distance to where the guns aren't caught in the blast radius.

Ofc tagging someone doesn’t mean you’re exactly equal to them, but it should still be relative. And you already know V1 is a crazy mf to fight in the first place. And nah, that nikkon didn’t just easily dodge Gabe’s bullshits, like, he’s the second or third most skilled dude in the verse, the only one to survive it twice, and he has actual feat of stomping Class T worth of machines soooo

And? this isn't exactly like being shot with several thousand guns the moment you come into range. the chaff is there to distract, Gabriel can't exactly come out and bullrush Ikit when his teleportation range isn't even ******' listed with an actual distance!

good thing Gabey doesn’t underestimate an army of millions of suspicious greenish rats throwing genocidal ahh kind of weapons at him. Plus he’s a smort tactical angel, and he’s really mad, and racist toward you

Most of them are just rats of unusual size, not even greenish. Also, they're like half his size and diseased.

 

[Jerry59]

You do realize there's other things than Skavenslaves right? even they would attract homing shots because there's so god damn many of them, but Stormvermin would not exactly retreat from a being like Gabriel, especially not when he comes in and gets shot on pure accident because he got into the line of fire.

Good thing Gabriel is dead before then, eh? And Ikit can both jump and let the meat shields he surrounds himself with tank the hits. Or attack with Storm Daemon which is pretty much instant death.


I think you didn't read "AoE", so uh... yeah. he can. Warpstone weaponry and abilities ARE dura neg. and Ikit has no concern for skaven life when it comes to deleting an upstart.

Let's see... "Unknown with teleportation" Good thing Gabriel takes eons to actually reach Ikit, so he's getting shot, no questions asked. Also, you imply Ikit would keep those warp lightning cannons close to his other warpstone stuff, there's enough distance to where the guns aren't caught in the blast radius.

And? this isn't exactly like being shot with several thousand guns the moment you come into range. the chaff is there to distract, Gabriel can't exactly come out and bullrush Ikit when his teleportation range isn't even ******' listed with an actual distance!

Most of them are just rats of unusual size, not even greenish. Also, they're like half his size and diseased.

Yeah! It’s Unknown! And the profile picture also says he can teleport anywhere in Hell! And remember that Gluttony fight and the context behind it? Right! Also, saying it took him eons to get close to Ikit, when we're talking about a mf who can fly at Supersonic speed here and would take less than seconds to close the distance, well within a range where the Rats' weaponry isn’t even that effective, cmon now bud
Have you ever seen someone or smth dodge a volley of bullets by flying aside? That’s exactly how it works here. Gabe doesn’t need to be like CoH characters, standing in the middle of the rain and dodging- and like he doesn’t even need to get into the Ratling guns’ or snipers’ range. So there ya go
And once he realizes Ikit is the main focus, like how he did against the poor Sisyphean Insurrectionists? Dunno man. Still not sure how jumping and using skavenslaves as meatshields would work against attacks that specifically track him and explode. Even V1 still takes damage from the blast, so don’t expect Ikit to survive one just because he wasn’t directly hit
Oh right, try destroying these light-constructed weapons at a molecular level. I’m waiting
though I’m leaning a bit toward Incon, but eh

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah! It’s Unknown! And the profile picture also says he can teleport anywhere in Hell! And remember that Gluttony fight and the context behind it? Right! Also, saying it took him eons to get close to Ikit, when we're talking about a mf who can fly at Supersonic speed here and would take less than seconds to close the distance, well within a range where the Rats' weaponry isn’t even that effective, cmon now bud

Yeah, he could fly the distance, and immediately get gagglefucked because he'd fly into the wall of guns! Kind of hard to dodge when half the Ratling gunners barely know how to aim so they accidentally shoot in the direction Gabe was dodging anyway basically guarenteeing he gets tagged, let alone the globadiers or Ikit tagging his low-range ass

Also, put a minimum range on that teleportation then.

Have you ever seen someone or smth dodge a volley of bullets by flying aside? That’s exactly how it works here. Gabe doesn’t need to be like CoH characters, standing in the middle of the rain and dodging- and like he doesn’t even need to get into the Ratling guns’ or snipers’ range. So there ya go

I didn't know Gabriel had more than SEVERAL METERS attack range with which to kill Ikit! Man, where's that on his profile?

Yeah without sarcasm, Ikit just like... murks him with Storm Daemon by the time he gets close enough to do anything. It's got an ass ton of AoE and Ikit is NOT bad at aiming.

And once he realizes Ikit is the main focus, like how he did against the poor Sisyphean Insurrectionists? Dunno man. Still not sure how jumping and using skavenslaves as meatshields would work against attacks that specifically track him and explode. Even V1 still takes damage from the blast, so don’t expect Ikit to survive one just because he wasn’t directly hit

which takes too long because unlike the Insurrectionists, Ikit's guns can and will kill him.

Oh right, try destroying these light-constructed weapons at a molecular level. I’m waiting

Prove they're real light with photons and shit. if you can't, Ikit deletes it via AoE.

 

[Agnaa]

Bump!

 

[Jerry59]

Prove they're real light with photons and shit. if you can't, Ikit deletes it via AoE.

The weapons are a little bit translucent, Gabe can make them vanish at will, and the way they break- actually nvm, forget it why did I even think this was a fine argument

Yeah, he could fly the distance, and immediately get gagglefucked because he'd fly into the wall of guns! Kind of hard to dodge when half the Ratling gunners barely know how to aim so they accidentally shoot in the direction Gabe was dodging anyway basically guarenteeing he gets tagged, let alone the globadiers or Ikit tagging his low-range ass

bro just confirm that these rats with ratling guns don’t have good aim no way. How could accidentally and randomly shooting in that direction with WW1 bullets guarantee a hit pray tell ?

I didn't know Gabriel had more than SEVERAL METERS attack range with which to kill Ikit! Man, where's that on his profile?

Yeah without sarcasm, Ikit just like... murks him with Storm Daemon by the time he gets close enough to do anything. It's got an ass ton of AoE and Ikit is NOT bad at aiming.

which takes too long because unlike the Insurrectionists, Ikit's guns can and will kill him.

Damn I wonder WHEN exactly I said he kept his distance to throw these ??
Anyway, how does Storm Daemon's AoE work again? Does it require some sort of action, or does he just do it at will? If it's the former, then cmon now. Gabe can quickly close the distance or teleport, no? If the meatshields are surrounding him while he's double their size, then tell me, how exactly can they tank these axes and swords that explode on and track Ikit ? Yea he can jump and use AoE to nuke the summoning blades, so what? Can he spam SD while mid-air, unable to protect himself against other shit Gabe throws at him?
And I wonder, how would it take too long for him when it's too obvious who the Chief Warlock is among the other rats and the dude is still gonna try to finish his job as quickly as possible ?

Good thing is, as you said, these bullets still take seconds before actually killing Gabe, and he can dodge, while also being at a range where they aren’t even that effective (idk, a few hundred meters or sum?), and they're blowing themselves up. Right, when Gabe gets close to Ikit there's a fat chance he gets hit, but I wonder- is Ikit's head still attached to his body before that happens huh?

Oh and uh Poisoned Wind Globes' clouds, very cool. Btw they seem to have ass range and throw speed, so hoping Globadiers can use them in time before their chief is long dead

and I think ya should get banned from tourneys because ya characters are cracked as hell

 

[DaReaperMan]

The weapons are a little bit translucent, Gabe can make them vanish at will, and the way they break- actually nvm, forget it why did I even think this was a fine argument

None of this proves they're made of photons. like real light.

bro just confirm that these rats with ratling guns don’t have good aim no way. How could accidentally and randomly shooting in that direction with WW1 bullets guarantee a hit pray tell ?

because some of them ACTUALLY HAVE decent aim. The problem with shitty aim is that there's also competency here, that's another random formula that results in Gabriel having a harder time dodging

Damn I wonder WHEN exactly I said he kept his distance to throw these ??
Anyway, how does Storm Daemon's AoE work again? Does it require some sort of action, or does he just do it at will? If it's the former, then cmon now. Gabe can quickly close the distance or teleport, no? If the meatshields are surrounding him while he's double their size, then tell me, how exactly can they tank these axes and swords that explode on and track Ikit ? Yea he can jump and use AoE to nuke the summoning blades, so what? Can he spam SD while mid-air, unable to protect himself against other shit Gabe throws at him?

And I wonder, how would it take too long for him when it's too obvious who the Chief Warlock is among the other rats and the dude is still gonna try to finish his job as quickly as possible ?

or, Ikit thinks, and Storm Daemon goes apeshit and starts deleting everything within a hundred meters of Ikit. Because Friendly fire is always acceptable with Skaven. Also, there'd be other engineers. Gabriel kind of has to hit the right one and the only distiguishing feature from Ikit is the fact he has a robotic arm of a slightly different color and the fact he has exposed white fur. Kind of hard to tell the difference when you are dodging a few thousand bullets, eh?

And I wonder, how would it take too long for him when it's too obvious who the Chief Warlock is among the other rats and the dude is still gonna try to finish his job as quickly as possible ?

Good thing is, as you said, these bullets still take seconds before actually killing Gabe, and he can dodge, while also being at a range where they aren’t even that effective (idk, a few hundred meters or sum?), and they're blowing themselves up. Right, when Gabe gets close to Ikit there's a fat chance he gets hit, but I wonder- is Ikit's head still attached to his body before that happens huh?

Oh and uh Poisoned Wind Globes' clouds, very cool. Btw they seem to have ass range and throw speed, so hoping Globadiers can use them in time before their chief is long dead

and I think ya should get banned from tourneys because ya characters are cracked as hell

Yep, Gabriel teleports in with his, allow me to repeat: UNKNOWN RANGE teleportation. Put a minimum on that shit! do some calcs!

ALSO, something I forgot, is that Clan Skryre sure as shit has access to mages like Gray Seers. Warhammer Mages. Woe be to the man who summons weapons, about to kill Ikit if he doesn't react the right way, before they get taken control of and thrown right at Gabriel's face! And Ikit can do this as well, push comes to shove.

I'm not counting named characters, but if I did, Ikit has access to a cute little Skaven called Thanquol. Thanquol once, ******* up a ritual, summoned ******* SKARBRAND!

 

[Jerry59]

Yep, Gabriel teleports in with his, allow me to repeat: UNKNOWN RANGE teleportation. Put a minimum on that shit! do some calcs!

I WILL, OKAY? I WILL . I just want to put it on a bigger CRT so it will be less annoying-
And it still has the explanation saying "teleport everywhere in Hell" which is also why they are 4km apart in the first place man

because some of them ACTUALLY HAVE decent aim. The problem with shitty aim is that there's also competency here, that's another random formula that results in Gabriel having a harder time dodging

or, Ikit thinks, and Storm Daemon goes apeshit and starts deleting everything within a hundred meters of Ikit. Because Friendly fire is always acceptable with Skaven. Also, there'd be other engineers. Gabriel kind of has to hit the right one and the only distiguishing feature from Ikit is the fact he has a robotic arm of a slightly different color and the fact he has exposed white fur. Kind of hard to tell the difference when you are dodging a few thousand bullets, eh?

ALSO, something I forgot, is that Clan Skryre sure as shit has access to mages like Gray Seers. Warhammer Mages. Woe be to the man who summons weapons, about to kill Ikit if he doesn't react the right way, before they get taken control of and thrown right at Gabriel's face! And Ikit can do this as well, push comes to shove.

Yeah that's cool and all but you need to-

I'm not counting named characters, but if I did, Ikit has access to a cute little Skaven called Thanquol. Thanquol once, ******* up a ritual, summoned ******* SKARBRAND!

this shit is so ass, change my vote to Ikit

 

[DaReaperMan]

I WILL, OKAY? I WILL . I just want to put it on a bigger CRT so it will be less annoying-
And it still has the explanation saying "teleport everywhere in Hell" which is also why they are 4km apart in the first place man

No the warplighning cannons are lol

Yeah that's cool and all but you need to-



this shit is so ass, change my vote to Ikit

I DID say I wasn't counting named characters lol

 

[Agnaa]

I do think "Can teleport anywhere in hell" should pretty clearly be at least 4km. I think the vagueness is about exactly how large hell is (planetary, universal, etc.) and about whether he can teleport across realms.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Since the votes have shifted to Ikit, I might as well vote for the rat too.
Also.

Ikit FRA

 

[Jerry59]

No the warplighning cannons are lol

You’re so right Reapah, now go back to the Gabe vs Candle match and check the rules for me:3

 

[Shadowslash125]

Bump