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Iihiko Big Revisions

I will be honest the CRT is already accepted for powernull above as I said; I could removed the resistances list and add Power Nullification right now.
 
The only real argument for why subjective immunity is power null is the claim that Negation and Power Null are the same, which is flat out wrong. I agree with Iihiko "breaking" powers being power null, but subjective immunity is negation.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
It's literally just you and Iap vs everyone else who agreed it was power null. Me and Elizhaa at bare minimum and Elizhaa is staff so he counts 2 ovo
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You do realize you're counting Elizhaa who's not knowledgeable on the verse right? What men do for power, im amazed
 
TriforcePower1 said:
No, they didn't affect him at all. That statement is the typical "I'm much stronger than you" statement of a typical OP villain. In which they perceive attacks as nothing more than flies and things like that. Even then, we would need a direct statement to give him something so specific.
You're kinda ignoring that making attacks work but they still don't work on you is still power null. Link, for example, is able to null the powers of the Dark World, but he only prevents himself from being affected while everything else is still affected, and he has power null (also) for this. Mogura's thing is also power null, then.


Also, resisting erasure=/=resisting null and viceversa
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They did affect him, they made him go to sleep. He was very clear about this. You can appeal to the motive that that is what the narative is trying to imply, but it doesn't make the difference that they had a totally different effect on him

But you aren't nullifying powers, so how would it be power nullification? What you describe from link just sounds like resistance to dark world attacks, not power nullification. No, Mogura's power is existence erasure and Negation as an application. At no point is she nullifying any powers.

I'm not sure what your point in this regard is
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
Also, resisting erasure=/=resisting null and viceversa
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I'm not sure what your point in this regard is

He's saying that All Fiction not erasing Raff Raflessia is power erasure and not power null.
 
Why are you butting heads over sematics now...

Iap, if its THAT important for you then how about this? Write Power NEGATION, link Power nullification and explain afterwards what subjective immunity does. We will not write a entire new power page just for Ihiko alright?
 
Firephoenixearl said:
You do realize you're counting Elizhaa who's not knowledgeable on the verse right? What men do for power, im amazed
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Bro, that doesn't matter, as long as the arguments on the opposite side are valid. Hell, we had several staff members arguing against 3-A DMC, despite them not being knowledgable on the verse. They were still counted as opposition.
 
First Witch said:
Why are you butting heads over sematics now...
Iap, if its THAT important for you then how about this? Write Power NEGATION, link Power nullification and explain afterwards what subjective immunity does. We will not write a entire new power page just for Ihiko alright?
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I wasn't saying we should write a whole new page, but if we just put Negation down I have absolutely no problem with it and agree 100%

You were probably being sarcastic, but this is basically what I want lol
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Ok so my current oppinion:
Power Nullification (Any power used on him even if it works, will break and will never be usable again, extends to any type of physical attack as well).

Negation Type or even Negation Type could work (Cannot be reached by skills or attacks he does not recognize, furthermore he can also dismiss any buff or defensive based skill as long as he does not recognize the buff).

Adaptation and Reactive Evolution (Even if he does recognize an ability or if the ability forces recognition like styles, he cannot be hurt or affected by the same ability twice). @Tri yes this is the case, as we saw that even Medaka's attack which used a style didn't work on him a second time, and styles force recognition.

Resistance Negation (Could nullify even the strongest of minuses all of which resists powerful power nullification abilities, furthermore he could nullify other resistances).
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Ok so me and Iap agree to this. Who else?
 
Use Negation and not subjective reality.

Adaptation is redundant

I still disagree with resistance negation as Minuses only resist erasure and not null.
 
I just realized I haven't commented on this thread even though i've been following it from minute one
 
I read it just seems like Power Nullification. Reactive Evolution could easily be Power Nullification by the Occam's Razor, anyway, @Iapitus The Impaler.
 
Elizhaa said:
I read it just seems like Power Nullification. Reactive Evolution could easily be Power Nullification by the Occam's Razor, anyway, @Iapitus The Impaler.
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But as we said, he isn't nullifying any powers except when he breaks them. Subjective Immunity is just Negation, not power null. Reactive Evolution is more descriptive than the nature of the power itself
 
TriforcePower1 said:
Use Negation and not subjective reality.
I still disagree with resistance negation as Minuses only resist erasure and not null.
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SR seems to fit the description better, imo.

They did resist Naze's null. Also if he can negate non corporeality, straight up stats, defenses, air resistances etc, and nullification on top of it all, it just makes more sense, than assuming he can't.
 
Its likely Subjective Reality + Power Null + Reactive Evolution + Resistance negation + Adaptation + Negation
 
We could even get Type 4 Acausality since The Hero works under its own causal model.

Passive Fate manipulation and plot manip too.
 
Elizhaa said:
Subjective Reality is basically an advance Reality Warping with Existence Erasure. So, far he looks he only has Power Nullification, to me. Yes, there are characters with Power Nullification on this level on this wiki like Khârn the Betrayer
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Depends. Subjective Reality is a bunch of powers combined. Power Nullification included. But Subjective Reality's concept fits much better as it is done through recognition and what Iihiko personally deems as "real" and "fake".

Do not bring up Kharn pls. Kharn's power null works by direct interference from Khorne, a 1-B being using his abilities to null. He's leagues above what Medaka can hope for.
 
PaChi2 said:
We could even get Type 4 Acausality since The Hero works under its own causal model.
Passive Fate manipulation and plot manip too.
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The Hero will get his own CRT soon so shh for now. Keep it a secret. Glad to see you're also on board for The Hero getting re-added though.
 
I really should add /s at the end of my replies. Because it seems nobody is getting it.
 
The Hero will get his own CRT soon so shh for now. Keep it a secret. Glad to see you're also on board for The Hero getting re-added though.

Fire, you just made the first error when analyzing a message from PaChi.

To assume he's serious unless he states otherwise
 
My man Triforce learned his way after thinking that Ganon vs GEoM was fair ovo
 
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