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Ichigo kurosaki vs Arturia Pendragon

Arturia has lower AP

That is literally it for Disadvantages

She is far more skilled in combat then this version of Ichigo, instincts are effectively precog and can help her dodge and avoid unexpected attacks and she has a far better chance at KOing then Ichigo
 
Far more skilled? I wouldn't necessarily say she's more skilled than Ichigo to the point where he couldn't keep up, gotta keep in mind that he's fought and clashed with Shinigami like Byakuya, Kenpachi and Ikkaku. He does also have Accelerated Development to improve his skill while in battle. Should also be noted Ichigo has Reiatsu Sigh / Phantom Pain which gives him Extrasensory Perception that's near borderline precog.


That's a vote for Saber I assume?
 
Servants don't have the energy for a long drawn-out battle over long distances while Ichigo has energy to spare to do exactly that. The long-fight advantage is solidly with strawberry.

Servants have a standing weakness to prolonged use of energy- it's one reason Saber bothers with the motorcycle in Fate Zero. She's way faster than it when she wants but it doesn't drain her to ride it so it's invaluable to help her get around. You get a similar look at this sort of thing when she gets ready to jump Archer from a few kilometers away- the prana required for her to actually run that far is too costly compared to Shirou jump-boosting her with a command seal.
 
That first sentence is false.

Only certain servants actually have a low run time when with a master with a low amount of Mana.

Hell, Archer managed to last for over a day without a requirement of a master.
 
Can't Ichigo hit the soul?

That's one extreme advantage he has, if he does have the ability to hit the soul
 
ALRF said:
Can't Ichigo hit the soul?

That's one extreme advantage he has, if he does have the ability to hit the soul
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Yeah, the Zanpakuto deals damage to the soul directly.
 
GG double post

Be ready to get reported and banned scrub :^=))))))))))))))))))
 
The first sentence is certainly not false. Saber does state the reason she bothers with the bike is fuel. (It also has a mention that she has to forsake her armor to reach several times the speed of sound but hey, speed equalized eh?) And against Archer running up to him is implied to take too much energy- which is why Shirou jump-boosts her into one leap to Archer. The reason Servants need the grail and master to resupply them is they spend a lot of mana every battle. Feel free to name one time a Servant was noted to continuously fight for more than a few minutes at best in Fate Stay Night or Fate Stay Zero, the relevant works featuring Saber.

Archer does not fight for an entire day without a master so your second statement is misleading. They only require a few units of energy to exist, that's easy, fighting takes up much more energy. There are several endings where Saber doesn't have enough energy to keep going and fades away- because without refueling she cannot consistently battle for long.
 
Actually, how do speed boosts work in speed equalized again? Because both of these two have speed buffs- Saber can ditch her armor to increase her speed and Ichigo has his bankai to boost his. Saber reasonably gets a 3x speed buff from her boost- what does bankai give?
 
Friendlysociopath said:
Actually, how do speed boosts work in speed equalized again? Because both of these two have speed buffs- Saber can ditch her armor to increase her speed and Ichigo has his bankai to boost his. Saber reasonably gets a 3x speed buff from her boost- what does bankai give?
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Anywhere between 5-10 in that area with Bankai. He does also have Shunpo to boost his speed further.
 
I don't think that is how speed enhancement works does it? a Bankai has at least a 5-10x multiplier but not necessarily speed depending on the character.Ichigo does get noticeably faster in this state though.
 
@Frantzy

I think he's talking about ichigo specifically

@Rocker

Instinct only gives Pre-cog, Mana Burst is the Stat Amp skill
 
Friendlysociopath said:
The first sentence is certainly not false. Saber does state the reason she bothers with the bike is fuel. (It also has a mention that she has to forsake her armor to reach several times the speed of sound but hey, speed equalized eh?) And against Archer running up to him is implied to take too much energy- which is why Shirou jump-boosts her into one leap to Archer. The reason Servants need the grail and master to resupply them is they spend a lot of mana every battle. Feel free to name one time a Servant was noted to continuously fight for more than a few minutes at best in Fate Stay Night or Fate Stay Zero, the relevant works featuring Saber.
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Fight for more then a few minutes

Lancer vs Gilgmesh which lasted for 12 hours, Saber vs Assasin, Saber vs Gilgamesh, Saber when she first contracted with Rin

The issue is Servants don't dissipate within a few minutes without a master
 
How do speed equalizations work when a character has a speed amplifying ability? Cause Ichigo gets faster with Bankai and Shunpo increases speed for a burst.
 
Yeah, even with Instinct then I would have to go with Ichigo. Pre-Cog is good, but it doesn't mean much when you're not fast enough to follow through on it plus Ichigo apparently having higher AP.
 
Why would Saber not be able to follow up on it?

Also I remembered 7As are becoming 6C so...
 
Spider-Man has pre-cog, but he can't fight someone that is faster than he can physically react to in combat. Shunpo allows for short burst FTE movements even to someone of equal or greater speed (Grimmjow vs Bankai Ichigo). That's just Shikai Ichigo, Bankai amps his base speed and Shunpo speed.
 
Spider Man senses have allowed him to perceive and aim dodge Relativistic characters, so that's a bad example.

And yet, characters, without precog, can still somewhat react
 
We don't equalize Reiatsu to Magic but iirc we do equalize Kido to Magic but Ichigo doesn't use that.
 
Saber can boost her speed with Mana Burst
 
How much can she increase her speed then cause Ichigo has Shunpo with Shikai for speed boost. Bankai to increase his base speed and his Shunpo speed further.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Yeah no, the precognition for Saber counters Ichigo's shunpo very easily.
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Saber faced an even or even losing fight against peer opponents who were not multiple times faster with her precog so no- it does not counter someone being multiple times faster at all, let alone with ease.


Good of you to pick two fights with the character that is canonically walking PIS (Gilgamesh) as your proof Servants fight for hours. You also chose mostly offscreen fights to boot so you have no rela method of gauging how much effort was being put into them at any given point.

Meanwhile, Saber offers a clear picture that is outright written with little guessing involved- the first day alone took 250 units of energy from her 1200~1300 energy total and that was without any battle exceeding more than a few minutes. Lancer was driven off easily by her, Archer lost almost instantly, and only Berserker was offering a massive challenge; all of these occurred night one. We know fights where Saber takes no damage takes 10 energy and she needs 6 per day to exist, and that's only 10 from Archer, that leaves 234 units of energy lost between a fight Saber dominated and one where she was challened. Even if both fights combined took an hour (unsupported)- that means she only has the energy to fight for approximately six hours befor being spent up entirely.
 
Saber only had such poor energy available because of Shirou's incompetency. All Servants are limited by their Master's energy supplies but we assume they have a sufficient supply to actually allow combat, and few Servant's stores are so poor that they can't go on in combat for more than a few minutes, that's ludicrous downplay.
 
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