"I turned myself into a Sonic OC Morty! I AM SONICHU RICK!" [Dr. Robotnik vs Rick Sanchez] (4-0-0 NEED VOTES)

[ShionAH]

• Speed is equalized
• Both have access to all their resources
• They have a week to prepare

Baldy McNosehair:
King of Shit: 4 (@Catbowtie, @ShionAH, @Maverick_Zero_X, @Peptocoptr27)

 

[Remus1998]

Eggy is only 6-D, Rick is infinite 7-D with prep

 

[ShionAH]

Eggy is only 6-D, Rick is infinite 7-D with prep

I heard it was possible for Eggman to have a chance, if its decided Rick stomps we'll close this or maybe I will remove Ricks prep time

 

[ShakeResounding]

Rick is 7-D now?? Rad! Didn't expect it, but rad!

I'll return to this match later, I'm currently working overtime to prepare for Shadow Generations' upcoming CRT so I have like negative time to use

My first impressions are that this is might be a stomp due to Rick not being an individual to hold himself back in terms of his arsenal from what I gather. So Eggy should just get eviscerated due to some of Rick's arsenal being dimensionally superior.

Also that f'ing title lmao

 

[ShionAH]

Rick is 7-D now?? Rad! Didn't expect it, but rad!

Always should have been!

My first impressions are that this is might be a stomp due to Rick not being an individual to hold himself back in terms of his arsenal from what I gather. So Eggy should just get eviscerated due to some of Rick's arsenal being dimensionally superior.

Hmm, what if I made Eggman archie comics? Would that be fair? He is 7D iirc.

Edit: Though I think it could be argued that 1 day isnt enough for Rick to build his 7D stuff, which is why I made it that short

Also that f'ing title lmao

NOT SORRY

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Eggman still has win cons via the Egg Field, conceptual/informational destruction via Time Eater, and turning Rick's tech back on him with Zavok clones. Does prep time include prior knowledge of both?

 

[ShionAH]

Time Eater,

Its not on his equipment

and turning Rick's tech back on him with Zavok clones.

Atleast Space cruiser will survive it this time

Does prep time include prior knowledhe of both?

Depends, Eggman probably wouldnt be able to gain knowledge on Rick since Rick resists it while Rick can get knowledge on Eggman

 

[Theuser789]

If Rick is 7D maybe Archie Eggman would be a fairer fight. Maybe.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Depends, Eggman probably wouldnt be able to gain knowledge on Rick since Rick resists it while Rick can get knowledge on Eggman

You mean Rick resists information analysis? So do Eggman's Phantom Ruby, Shadow Androids, and Neo Metal Sonic.

Its not on his equipment

It's still in his profile in the abillities section

 

[ShionAH]

So do Eggman's Phantom Ruby, Shadow Androids, and Neo Metal Sonic.

Ricks Information Analysis is layered.

It's still in his profile in the abillities section

Fair, would he be able to find and tame it in a single day while also building his robots

 

[Theuser789]

Eggman can time travel with it so he technically has infinite days for it.

 

[ShionAH]

Eggman can time travel with it so he technically has infinite days for it.

I dont think that kind of stuff is allowed in prep, which is why I am not arguing Rick can stop time to get inf time

Because like that kinda ruins the idea of a limited prep time lol

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Looks like Rick kinda dimensionally stomps

I should throw Rick against Doctor Doom

 

[ShionAH]

I should throw Rick against Doctor Doom

 

[Peptocoptr27]

There's more to this fight than AP, you know... Even infinitely weaker than Rick's top tier tech, Eggman still has win cons, especially since Rick himself is infinitely weaker than even Eggman's average tech. Prep time does seem to heavily skew things in Rick's favor though... Although, the OP seems quite vague about something. When I read it, I thought both characters had access to all of their equipment AND a day of prep, not that had a day of prep which they could use to even gather all of their equipment in the first place.

 

[ShionAH]

When I read it, I thought both characters had access to all of their equipment AND a day of prep, not that had a day of prep which they could use to even gather all of their equipment in the first place.

I meant like they have full resources to access their equipments. For example if Eggman or Rick lost an invention or a resource something in their series now it like respawned

Idk tbh the wikis rules on prep is really vague, wish we had rules

Any ideas on what the rule for prep should be worded like?

 

[Keeweed]

I need to remind people both the characters here in comparison to each other might as well just be normal guys to their attacks. And thus I don’t think it can really be an ap stomp. It really does come down to if Eggman lands a move that gets past the Immortality or if Rick just hits the hard nuke. Which I think is likely since his opponents are so numerous. They both have so much stuff and so little resistances, along with both being able to job hard at times, I guess I’ll lean towards Rick. His tech hitting harder and immortality are just far easier things to lean back on than Eggman needing to do very particularly things to win.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

I need to remind people both the characters here in comparison to each other might as well just be normal guys to their attacks. And thus I don’t think it can really be an ap stomp. It really does come down to if Eggman lands a move that gets past the Immortality or if Rick just hits the hard nuke. Which I think is likely since his opponents are so numerous. They both have so much stuff and so little resistances, along with both being able to job hard at times, I guess I’ll lean towards Rick. His tech hitting harder and immortality are just far easier things to lean back on than Eggman needing to do very particularly things to win.

Not all of Rick's tech hits that hard though. With prep, he would know he needs to resort to it, but standard battle assumptions would indicate that Eggman goes all out even he can't gather as much knowledge on Rick as Rick can on Eggman.

 

[ShionAH]

Not all of Rick's tech hits that hard though.

They definitely do, especially since most of his weapons either induce deadly hax or just durability negate. He could make that device from the Parasites and erase Eggman and his army from Space-Time instantly too

 

[Peptocoptr27]

He could make that device from the Parasites and erase Eggman and his army from Space-Time instantly too

Damn, I am not caught up on Rick & Morty at all. What the hell is that?

Also, what's stopping Eggman from robbing Rick of his tech with his various means of hammerspace manipulation? Prior to Rick getting his ass kicked by Mr Nimbus in a season premiere, he was powerless to getting his arsenal stolen right from him.

 

[ShionAH]

Damn, I am not caught up on Rick & Morty at all. What the hell is that?

Its not actually new, anyways in Rick and Morty vs Genocider Rick makes a device from the Memory Parasites in S2 which manipulates the fundamentals of Memory and then warps Space-Time to make stuff get completely erased. It works on Acasual beings too.

It isnt a projectile, it just a inducement that happens. It can erase entire city populations and iirc planets.

Also, what's stopping Eggman from robbing Rick of his tech with his various means of hammerspace manipulation? Prior to Rick getting his ass kicked by Mr Nimbus in a season premiere, he was powerless to getting his arsenal stolen right from him.

Tbh against those things he was caught off guard, similar to the episode with **** Dragons.

Eggman could steal his tech but how does it work? Btw would Ricks Technology Manip shut off Eggmans Tech?

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Its not actually new, anyways in Rick and Morty vs Genocider Rick makes a device from the Memory Parasites in S2 which manipulates the fundamentals of Memory and then warps Space-Time to make stuff get completely erased. It works on Acasual beings too.

Metal Sonic resists existance erasure on a 6D scale, but this sounds like it should work on Eggman himself

It isnt a projectile, it just a inducement that happens. It can erase entire city populations and iirc planets.

While this does sound like a win-con, how does it compare to Light Man Eggman's otherworldification? I recall you told me in private that Rick should resist 5D reality warping, memory manipulation, and causality manipulation. Is that right?

Tbh against those things he was caught off guard, similar to the episode with **** Dragons.

Eggman could steal his tech but how does it work?

He has multiple methods. He can replace the items in your inventory with useless shit from a long distance, or pickpocket your dimensional storage without using any of his tech (Even characters with enhanced sense fail to notice it). He can use Thief's Eye to directly steal one of your items from a distance or ensnare you in a paralyzing trap to remove whathever you're holding. This may not work on the tech directly attached to Rick, but it should be enough to take his portal gun and fortune cookies at least.

Btw would Ricks Technology Manip shut off Eggmans Tech?

You mean from the fortune cookies (assuming Eggman doesn't steal them right away)? I know that Metal Sonic resists technology nullification from having copied Omega's data, who has resisted Mephiles' abillity to passively shut down Eggman's fodder bots, but that sort of implies resisting tech manipulation isn't the norm for Eggman machines. Eggman can take back control of them should they be hacked though, and he has loads of Zavok clones via the Phantom Ruby that can control Rick's tech in return (as established in the last thread for this match).

Lastly, can you elaborate on Rick's layered informational analysis resistance? I want to know if would prevent Sage from figuring out ANY of what Rick can do and run simulations accordingly.

 

[ShionAH]

While this does sound like a win-con, how does it compare to Light Man Eggman's otherworldification? I recall you told me in private that Rick should resist 5D reality warping, memory manipulation, and causality manipulation. Is that right?

As you can see from the cosmology page, Meta Energy governs and allows its users to manipulate reality, time causality and etc. on a 7D level

So you could argue Anti Meta Field stops those too

You mean from the fortune cookies (assuming Eggman doesn't steal them right away)? I know that Metal Sonic resists technology nullification from having copied Omega's data, who has resisted Mephiles' abillity to passively shut down Eggman's fodder bots, but that sort of implies resisting tech manipulation isn't the norm for Eggman machines. Eggman can take back control of them should they be hacked though, and he has loads of Zavok clones via the Phantom Ruby that can control Rick's tech in return (as established in the last thread for this match).

Rick also has a E.M.P in his watch that send pulses which shut off technology, his stronger devices passively break down and disrupt technology and Fortune Cookies yes.

Lastly, can you elaborate on Rick's layered informational analysis resistance? I want to know if would prevent Sage from figuring out ANY of what Rick can do and run simulations accordingly.

Alr let me start with my terms

GF = Galactic Federation, they are able to scan minds, locations of beings analyze entire planets and galaxies and more.

CR = Citadel of Ricks/Ricks in general are able detect power, intelligence, scan entire solar systems and galaxies, run calculations for all possibilities, scan and anaylze the entire infinite 7D multiverse and more casually

GFs Analysis can be disabled by simply having a Morty around according to Rick, but this is not enough to hide from CR. So as Rick C137 explains Ricks only need a few Morties and a jumper cable to hide from CR.

Remember all Ricks have many Morties in their disposal whether they are inside containment or pokeballs.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

As you can see from the cosmology page, Meta Energy governs and allows its users to manipulate reality, time causality and etc. on a 7D level

So you could argue Anti Meta Field stops those too

Damn

Rick also has a E.M.P in his watch that send pulses which shut off technology, his stronger devices passively break down and disrupt technology and Fortune Cookies yes.

Do we know for a fact that Rick would not risk any his own tech if he were to release this pulse? That being said, if Rick does use it, that leaves Light Man Eggman, Metal Sonic, Phantom Ruby clones, and Time Eater (minus his cyborg parts) in the picture. Sage should probably be fine too? She's an AI made out of data, but she's not actually mechanical in any way.

Alr let me start with my terms

GF = Galactic Federation, they are able to scan minds, locations of beings analyze entire planets and galaxies and more.

CR = Citadel of Ricks/Ricks in general are able detect power, intelligence, scan entire solar systems and galaxies, run calculations for all possibilities, scan and anaylze the entire infinite 7D multiverse and more casually

GFs Analysis can be disabled by simply having a Morty around according to Rick, but this is not enough to hide from CR. So as Rick C137 explains Ricks only need a few Morties and a jumper cable to hide from CR.

Remember all Ricks have many Morties in their disposal whether they are inside containment or pokeballs.

Ok, that is a problem... Approximately how many Morties would Eggman have to kill before he can reliably overcome this hurtle?

Starting to lean towards Rick and maybe changing it to Archie Eggman, but let's go on for now. Eggman still has access to layered time stop which has just been accepted to be 6D. Metal Overlord has also just been accepted to resist it so there's no way Rick can retaliate with his own time stop.

 

[ShionAH]

Do we know for a fact that Rick would not risk any his own tech if he were to release this pulse?

It doesnt seem to affect his own Technology, not because they are resistant but probably since its his own ability

Btw Space Cruiser resists Technology Manipulation so atleast Rick can take shelter there at worst

That being said, if Rick does use it, that leaves Light Man Eggman, Metal Sonic, Phantom Ruby clones, and Time Eater (minus his cyborg parts) in the picture.

Would Eggman be able to get all those in a day...?

Rick could probably try to use his durability negation options like Antimatter weapons to take them out. I will have to think about what else he can pull out

Sage should probably be fine too? She's an AI made out of data, but she's not actually mechanical in any way.

Hmm thats a damn great question. I have no idea tbh

Ok, that is a problem... Approximately how many Morties would Eggman have to kill before he can reliably overcome this hurtle?

Oh uh, depends on how ****** up Rick wants to be here... alot.

Remember he has access to Citadels resources to an extent, who have literally millions to trillions of Morties with all Ricks also having many many Morties in their Poke Balls

Rick could also clone them or make decoys. Hell you could argue Prime Morty who is pretty skilled could join C137 affectively forcing Eggman to kill them both. Iirc Ricks also can build a battle suit for Morties which should probably be like 6D through scaling, though my memory is kinda bad for that battle suit comic book

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Would Eggman be able to get all those in a day...?

The Time Eater's ******* dead. Shit. Everything else, yeah for sure.

Rick could probably try to use his durability negation options like Antimatter weapons to take them out. I will have to think about what else he can pull out

Guess what? Yeah that's right: Neo Metal Sonic resists that too. It should work on Eggman, but it would need to shoot him directly in order to be effective. Otherwise, the anti-matter's area of effect isn't that impressive in just one shot. On top of that, it's another gun Eggman could steal or at least replace.

Oh uh, depends on how ****** up Rick wants to be here... alot.

Remember he has access to Citadels resources to an extent, who have literally millions to trillions of Morties with all Ricks also having many many Morties in their Poke Balls

Rick could also clone them or make decoys. Hell you could argue Prime Morty who is pretty skilled could join C137 affectively forcing Eggman to kill them both. Iirc Ricks also can build a battle suit for Morties which should probably be like 6D through scaling, though my memory is kinda bad for that battle suit comic book

Rick has a conscience and deep down cares about Morty. If he has the means necessary to keep Morty safe while still keeping him on the battlefield, he'll do it, but if not, I'd say he's more likely to sacrifice his info analysis resistance.

So Eggman's win conditions are (from the top of my head):
-Item theft and reversal (using fortune cookies and/or anti-matter/portal gun against Rick
-Layered time stop or body puppetry + durabillity negation
-Metal Sonic power mimicry (can in theory copy Rick's win cons and use them first thanks to speed amplifications. Speed may be equalized, but there's nothing stopping Eggman from giving Metal speed multipliers via the Power Cores in his suply)
-Zavok clones hijacking Rick's technology and using them against him

 

[ShionAH]

Rick has a conscience and deep down cares about Morty. If he has the means necessary to keep Morty safe while still keeping him on the battlefield, he'll do it, but if not, I'd say he's more likely to sacrifice his info analysis resistance.

Rick cares about his Morty

But yeah tbh Rick could just make clones so he doesn't kill any actual real Morty. Or better yet, fight WITH Morty

I will answer the rest later

Edit: Rick could maybe Seal Metal Sonic or BFR him, better yet Fortune Cookied should work on it.

Btw how many universes of 6D is Sonic verse into?

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Edit: Rick could maybe Seal Metal Sonic or BFR him, better yet Fortune Cookied should work on it.

He resists sealing for the same reason he resists anti-matter, this being Shadow's biodata (any hax you can think of, you're probably better off assuming Neo Metal resists it than not). As for BFR, holding a Chaos Emerald prevent dimensional BFR, and Metal Sonic has dimensional travel. Unless you're referring to a different kind of BFR? Btw, Metal Sonic can steal stuff by reaching into hammerspaces just like Eggman, so he could steal the fortune cookies as well. The difference between him and Eggman is that he needs to get up close to do it.

Btw how many universes of 6D is Sonic verse into?

The whole cosmology is within a 6D infinite tunnel dimension, so I guess just 1.

 

[ShionAH]

The whole cosmology is within a 6D infinite tunnel dimension, so I guess just 1.

Rick is countless 6d even without Prep... so he can bruteforce Metal Sonic?

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Rick is countless 6d even without Prep... so he can bruteforce Metal Sonic?

Base form, for sure, but his Super form has invulnerabillity which, according to previous matches done with Super characters, should allow him to tank any attack that is still within the same dimensional tier as him. Rick would need his 7D stuff to beat Super Neo Metal Sonic with brute force.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Dr. Who Victms

 

[Theuser789]

Base form, for sure, but his Super form has invulnerabillity which, according to previous matches done with Super characters, should allow him to tank any attack that is still within the same dimensional tier as him. Rick would need his 7D stuff to beat Super Neo Metal Sonic with brute force.

Super Neo Metal isn't 1-C in this site. Only Overlord (for now).

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Super Neo Metal isn't 1-C in this site. Only Overlord (for now).

Oh, right... but come on! We know he will be!

 

[Theuser789]

Oh, right... but come on! We know he will be!

I am not super sure of Super Neo being 1-C. His only feat was bullying base form characters and jobbing to Chaos Spear. Plus his (supposedly) stronger form, Master Overlord, jobbed to base characters. His best feat is fighting Super Sonic in Speed Sim but fighting Super Sonic doesn't make you 1-C by itself.

 

[ShionAH]

So like, whats more left to debate? Biggest threat here and the game changer seems to be Metal Sonic so I guess I will try to see what can stop it

So Metal Sonic lacks resistances but I assume he has quite alot since he has the powers of many others, does this copy technique also give him resistances?

I will say can Rick try to shut it off/control with Technology Manipulation and Hacking? He could also pause him, would that work?

 

[Peptocoptr27]

I am not super sure of Super Neo being 1-C. His only feat was bullying base form characters and jobbing to Chaos Spear. Plus his (supposedly) stronger form, Master Overlord, jobbed to base characters. His best feat is fighting Super Sonic in Speed Sim but fighting Super Sonic doesn't make you 1-C by itself.

We'll get there when we get there. I think he should have a variable tier just like Super Sonic.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

So like, whats more left to debate? Biggest threat here and the game changer seems to be Metal Sonic so I guess I will try to see what can stop it

Super Neo Metal technically isn't 6D yet, so brute force could work. Metal Sonic can't bypass Rick's 6D defenses with his own brute force alone. Just present Rick's win conditions and see how they compare to the ones I listed for Eggman above.

So Metal Sonic lacks resistances but I assume he has quite alot since he has the powers of many others, does this copy technique also give him resistances?

What do you mean he lacks resistances? My whole point is that he resists a shit-ton of stuff. He can copy resistances, yes. That's why he has so many of them. On top of that, a new revision has just been accepted that allows him to gain a resistance to any hax he copies.

I will say can Rick try to shut it off/control with Technology Manipulation and Hacking?

He resists the former and Eggman can overwrite the latter.

He could also pause Shadow, would that work?

You mean stop Shadow Phantom Ruby clones or Shadow Androids in time before they resort to their own time stop? They resist time stop and have a 6D version of the same hax, so no. It's also more in-character for them to use it than it is for Rick.

 

[ShionAH]

Just present Rick's win conditions and see how they compare to the ones I listed for Eggman above.

Oh yeah, Ill do that

What do you mean he lacks resistances?

His profile doesnt have much which confused me.

He resists the former

Can you quote me his resistance to Tech Manip? I dont see it

You mean stop Shadow Phantom Ruby clones or Shadow Androids in time before they resort to their own time stop? They resist time stop and have a 6D version of the same hax, so no. It's also more in-character for them to use it than it is for Rick.

I meant to say Metal Sonic, I didnt mean time stop Rick has weapons that just pause you

 

[ShionAH]

Rick's Wincons

• Pure AP, Nukes the Army
• Pause Button should be capable of stopping anything in Eggmans disposal
• Can shut off most if not all of Eggmans army and arsenal with many of his technology
• Capable of BRFing any being that doesn't have a Chaos Emerald
• Capable of erasing most if not all of Eggmans army across Space-Time and History
• Could act fast and use the Fortune Cookies to gurantee a victory, he could use the Time Crystals to negate Acasuality 4 if needed
• Mr. Frundles/Love Potion could turn most of Eggmans army against him
• Can use his laser pistol to make any of Eggmans projectiles attack him

I personally am confused on how Eggman will steal stuff from Ricks arsenal, he does that to Hammerspace but Rick doesn't have Hammerspace. He just has pockets lol

 

[Keeweed]

I just want to clarify, what is the scan for the sealing working on a mass scale and the time button getting past anything with chaos resistances since I don’t see why the button would scale to the hyper time and not just the normal 4-D time. Especially since messing with 4-D time nearly killed him.

Also feels weird for him to have mass existence erasure when he needed the omega device to do that before and that’s outside of his ability as of current in the series since it requires messing with the whole multiverse to make.