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Revisions part 1 |
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=Introduction= Well, here we are. After 3 months these revisions are finally here! This will be long, so take your time to run through it. Disclaimer: these revisions cover only the games involving the CPUs from Hyperdimension. So, this is the most important part of these revisions. There's quite a bit for this. I'll start by mentioning that at first glance the verse might seem inconsistent about the power levels, but there's a nice little gimmick that makes it all actually consistent: the Shares. Average Level of the Verse If you followed the discussion thread, you should know that the average powers and the scaling all comes down to this cute little being: Histy. She is consistently protrayed as being around universal in power: -She stabilized the flow of time between two different space-time continuums -Is stated to be the world's everything -In one of her skills she uses "all of existence itself" to attack "Bruh but wouldn't that be an outlier? She doesn't even fight" False. Why wouldn't it be an outlier? Simple. Remember what I said above? Shares are a thing. "But aren't those only for the CPUs?" No, Histy is an Oracle, and is shown multiple times that they can use share energy, either to create sharicites or for combat, putting them on a comparable level to the average shares CPUs. Also shares can bring characters to even higher tiers as I will explain further down this post. For the second part, she canonically joins the party and fights through Re;Birth 2, and is needed to obtain the true ending of the game. So, the average level of the verse all depends on her tier, which I'm not really sure about what would be going from the above feats. "Who scales to this?" Basically everyone, excluding low shares CPUs and BoS Makers. Why? Because canonically CPUs and CPU candidates are stronger than their oracles, and the strongest beings of their own nations. But this isn't all. All the Makers scale due to being able to fight against CFW Magic, one of the Four Felons who restrained the four CPUs (and Nepgear) for 3 years. And neither Histy nor the other Oracles could defeat her, making her also above Histy. This puts everyone on Histoire's level, scaling either above or below her. High Shares and God Tiers The highest feats in the verse mainly come from three characters: Rei, Kurome and Uzume: -Rei was about to destroy the Ultradimension, affecting the Hyperdimension as well in the process, only to show off and lure the other CPUs. With a mere fraction of her power, Kurome was able to move an entire dimension, trying to make it clash and fuse with the Hyperdimension. -Kurome herself rewrote the Hyperdimension and its history, reshaping the world. She also has Rei and the 4 main CPUs' powers as Dark Orange. -Uzume, while being sealed away, unconsciously created from her powers both the Zero Dimension and Heart Dimension, which were erased from existence when both her two avatars (Uzume and Kurome) died. Then, when she was freed after the internal clash between the two, both dimension reappeared, making it clear that she maintains them by existing. This is pretty clear evidence for a solid 2-C rating for the god tiers of the verse. Also, the fraction of Rei's power used by Kurome is actually a fraction of the last remaining bit of Rei's power, so that's cool I guess? Who does this scale to? It would backward scale to all the CPUs at high shares (and the Gold Third in Gold Form as they are their equal), as they fought and defeated Rei, and upward scale to the NEXT forms, who are stated to be above any HDD form ever seen, which also includes Rei. "But what about Iffy, Compa and Big Nep? Didn't they also fight Dark Orange?" They did, but that would put them on a level comparable to high shares CPUs, which makes no sense whatsoever. Aka outlier. This should be all for the God Tier's tiering. Low Shares and BoS Now here is where calcs come in. There are two main calcs the character would scale to: 7-C - Scales to base form CPUs and BoS Makers Low 7-B+ - Scales to low shares HDD forms and low faith Gold Third There are various hammers that Blanc uses that have planet level statements, along with some skills which show this level of Destruction (although one of them can't be used due to being stated to not be actually happening). This might add to the previous rating a possibly 5-B for base CPUs, and backward scale Makers and CPU candidates, who are below them, to low 5-B. Up to debate. Low shares CPUs' durability Now this is something I'd like to discuss. Low shares HDD CPUs, aka the low 7-B ones, have shown more than once to barely tank attacks from mainly two characters who scale above Histy: CFW Magic and Yellow Heart. While the latter is debatable if she was serious (As Yellow Heart can't really be serious due to how dumb she is), there's no doubt about Magic and the other three Felons. After defeating them, she had to keep them restrained for 3 years, despite having all the reasons to kill them as they only were an hindrance. "But how do you know that they were at low shares?" Against Magic, the CPUs went to fight her for that exact reason: ASIC was taking their shares and causing a crisis in Gamindustri. Against Yellow Heart, there was a machine taking their shares and giving them to her. "But wouldn't bot scenarios be outliers? Didn't they get hurt in other fights?" Good question. Low shares CPUs are actually seen in very few occasions during the games, and unless they were fighting against characters who scale to Histoire no one of the main CPU in HDD form has ever been canonically injured. The only game in which there are different fights with low shares CPUs is Re;Birth 3, against the Seven Sages, and unless they fought against Arfoire, Rei or Yellow Heart they stomped everyone. "But what about Mr. Badd? Didn't they have difficulties against him?" During the first encounter they stomped him, and during the other encounters they had difficulties only because at first they were disgusted by his baby monsters, and after discovering what they truly where they didn't want to harm them. This is up to debate as it is a complex matter. Scaling chai As complex as it was to figure out, here's the full scaling chain of the relevant characters: Full Power Dark Orange > NEXT forms > Full Power HDD Rei Ryghts > Base Kurome with Rei's powers > Depowered Dark Orange > First Battle HDD Rei Ryghts > Post-Merging Base Uzume > Base Kurome > Arfoire fused with Dark Purple > Dark CPUs > HDD Orange Heart > Powered up HDD Yellow Heart >= High shares Yellow Heart = High Shares Iris Heart >= High Shares HDD CPUs = Gold Third with Crystal > High Shares HDD Candidates >= True DoS Arfoire (Hyperdimension and Zero Dimension) > DoS Arfoire (Hyperdimension and Zero Dimension) > Average Shares HDD Iris Heart = Average Shares HDD Yellow Heart >= Average Shares HDD CPUs = Gold Third without Crystal >= Base Arfoire (Zero Dimension) >= Arfoire (Ultradimension, DoS and TDoS) > Average Shares HDD Candidates > Four Felons > Histy > Makers = Base CPUs = Base Gold Third = Base CPU Candidates > Low Shares HDD CPUs > Low Shares HDD Candidates > lowest base CPUs > lowest base Candidates > RB2 start Makers The 1-A Statement Only putting this to avoid discussing it later. The statement about the Hyperdimension trascending the concept of numerical dimensions, while being cool and all, gets retconned by the dimensions being located in an arguably 9-D space. So that statement is out of question. Conclusions Well, that's it for the first part of the revisions. I'll talk about the other stats in the next thread. If there's something else you want to bring up, feel free to to so in the comments. |
I'm falling free in the wind, in the wind Free to be me in the wind, in the wind |
More like 13 + 2.DreamcrosserSquad said:oh my god thread 13
I won't give up I won't back dow Till I'm lying 6 feet underneath the deep ground I won't give up I won't back dow Cuz nobody's stopping me except for me now I'd rather be dead on the outside than inside A bullet to the head than 25 to life In a cubicle alone just trying get by Building someone else's dream instead of building mine If you're hearing me, this is meant to inspire If you have a dream or if you have desires A girl in your life thats making you feel that fire Go fight for her, man, go die for her, ma Cuz you only have one life one chance to do it One chance to prove it to yourself so don't lose it You got this fam just keep pushing on through it One day you'll look back so glad you pursued it Yea things are gunna get better real soo Yea Ima just do me you just do you I swear it's gunna get better real soo Don't let anyone tell u what you should do I got a clear view We're gunna make it soo Just keep pushing through Yea what you got to lose? Yea what you got to lose? Yea what you got to lose? Just keep pushing through Cuz what you got to lose? I won't give up I won't back dow Till I'm lying 6 feet underneath the deep ground I won't give up I won't back dow Cuz nobody's stopping me except for me now |
I do want I want couldn't stop me if you wanted to I just work hard yea harder than the rest Some people say I'm lucky others sayin that I'm blessed But I keep my head down cuz i crave progress You ain't ever gunna stop me cuz its my conquest and I'm never gonna rest And y'all don't know that I'm a soldier I always felt like I'm a loner When everybody thinks they know ya And y'all don't even know I own ya And now I'm ready takin over Cuz every day I'm getting closer Just look at everything I'll show ya Yea now I'm ready Ima blow up! Man I promise that I'm gunna make it somewhere As long as I'm conscious I'll be working hard to get there I am not a novice I'm gon be the best so prepare Cuz you know I'm honest and I'm coming for you be scared |
Hey brother! There's an endless road to rediscover Hey sister! Know the water's sweet but blood is thicker Oh, if the sky comes falling down, for you There's nothing in this world I wouldn't do Hey brother! Do you still believe in one another? Hey sister! Do you still believe in love? I wonder Oh, if the sky comes falling down, for you There's nothing in this world I wouldn't do What if I'm far from home? Oh brother, I will hear you call! What if I lose it all? Oh sister, I will help you out! Oh, if the sky comes falling down, for you There's nothing in this world I wouldn't do |
And when you feel like your nothing But you wanna be something yea Well all you really need is hope I just want you to trust me if you wanna be something Yea Then all you really need is hope When you're feeling down and you are out Like you got nothing but doubt Youre alone in a crowd Just trying to figure it out all of this clout And the money got you feelin left out Listen up to me now Every word out my mouth Wake up It's me You gonna follow your dreams Or are you just gonna be Another cog in the scene You feel the hope in this beat Yea the hope that you need To proceed and be exactly what you wanted to be I feel right and I'm proud Hype and I'm loud Ima shout all about How I feel in the now Ain't nobody every gonna try to change me Till I'm i'm dead pushing up daisies I'm alone in a crowd I won't feel dow I got hope right now And I know I'll be found I don't really care just what all of the haters gotta say I know everything I do is gonna make em fade away And when you feel like your nothing But you wanna be something Yea Well all you really need is hope I just want you to trust me if you wanna be something Yea Then all you really need is hope Yo Take a look in the mirror are you seeing some fear You hear the voice in your ear Can you start to see clear Are the bad thoughts near? Or can you be where your feet are yea when you stand right here and say no! I'm never gonna give up I'm never gonna slow Cuz the one that doesn't give up never loses to a foe Im the one that can show To myself I can go All the way to the top Can't stop me no Ima soldier always closer till it's over Older but I'm bolder moving forward Motor never slower good know ya Don't go make me drop my shoulder You need to believe You can achieve Everything that you dream Everything that you need Is in the air that you breathe Is in the mind that you feed Is in the time that you bleed Every second alive Is another blessing to me And when you feel like your nothing But you wanna be something Yea Well all you really need is hope I just want you to trust me If you wanna be something yea Then all you really need is hope It's what you need when your dow Need when your out What you need when your sad And when you feel left out You feel an energy drought And in creeps doubt but with a little bit of hope You can figure it out Keep your head high Even when your down inside Through the pain you fight And through the painful nights You keep striving Keep trying Keep driving Rising Keep thriving Surviving Nothings in your way but yourself Don't need nobody's help You can make it through this hell Take it one step at a time One step as you climb If you fail you'll be fine Get back up to the grind And never lose sight of your missio Be drive This live is a priso If you don't have a Vision Your in it to win it So get it don't miss it your chance is now To be something somehow Don't let yourself dow That's right, sometimes, all we really need is hope |
All these thoughts keep me up at night What am I doing did I do it right All these thoughts keep me up at night I can't think straight need the light I need to breathe Get me up and out of these sheets On to my feet Another cup of coffee in me That's what I need My eyes puffy I can't see I'm too tired to function buttoo lost to sleep, ay I think I need to be on something medicatio I think I need to figure out this segregatio I think I needed just a better educatio To understand a world that's so complicated Intoxicated every night faded Just so I can sleep thinking that it's aiding I feel hated I feel hatred I'm lost deep in my mind that I've created I have dreams where my life is devastated Feels so real that I wake up shake Need thicker skin cuz this life is no have Nod your head, if you get what I'm saying All these thoughts keep me up at night What am I doing did I do it right All these thoughts keep me up at night I can't think straight need the light I don't really think I understand this world no Got my head spinning round in a circle Everybody lacks what they need internal So they compensate with everything external Not trying to throw shade No way I'm just trying to find the meaning of life hey There's happiness if you try to live the right way Forget about what others have and life your life hey Be aware of who you are what your good at Take a step forward see where your foots at stand tall stand proud Talk loud Every word out your mouth has purpose now You just gotta get rid of the bad thoughts Hating others cuz you know that they got a lot Forget that tho, you got plenty Your alive in this life, you got time go get it All these thoughts keep me up at night What am I doing did I do it right All these thoughts keep me up at night I can't think straight need the light |