Hunter x Hunter Overhaul (Scaling)

[Theendzero13]

After that we do the rest

 

[Armorchompy]

approved the three calcs

 

[Hk1488]

Back to my calc(even though it is irrelevant) would a higher gravitation Affect ayn calc. I assume things like ikalgos bullet would need to travel much faster right?

 

[Damage3245]

Back to my calc(even though it is irrelevant) would a higher gravitation Affect ayn calc. I assume things like ikalgos bullet would need to travel much faster right?

No. There's no reason to assume gravitational force is a lot stronger in the HxH world. Being bigger is one thing; but having even greater gravity requires additional proof.

 

[Hk1488]

No. There's no reason to assume gravitational force is a lot stronger in the HxH world. Being bigger is one thing; but having even greater gravity requires additional proof.

I am pretty sure you can calculate that of the radius and mass of said planet. The radius in this case would be distance between object 1 and 2. The mass of the planet the mass of object 1 and any mass that's not too high object 2. I found a calculator which would give gravitational force of these factors(and even tested it using the earths mass and radius) 1kg gave a force of 9.8 Newton which is completely accurate to the gravitational acceleration on surface being 9.8m/s^2. Only mass of the planet and radius needed for this. The size is pretty easy to get scaling off of greed Island and the mass would differ dependimg on density off the planet. But seeing as it's not gaseous I think assuming average density of out planet makes sense.

 

[Theendzero13]

So .... can we discuss scaling now
(this is what i like the most TBH)

 

[Hk1488]

No. There's no reason to assume gravitational force is a lot stronger in the HxH world. Being bigger is one thing; but having even greater gravity requires additional proof.

Also tested it with jupiter and its again accurate

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Ok so we’re still on AP right?

 

[Hk1488]

Yeah I think. Are we gonna do scaling after than?

 

[Theendzero13]

Ok so we’re still on AP right?

yeah , but like all the relevant calcs got accepted, at least to the mid-high tiers

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Ok then let’s get started on scaling. What’s BoS Gon scaling to?

 

[Theendzero13]

Ok then let’s get started on scaling. What’s BoS Gon scaling to?

i think bos characters are gonna keep the scaling they have for the most part, most feats come from chimera ants, which our BOS main characters do not have any right to scale to

 

[Theendzero13]

scrap it , greed island characters downscale from razor

 

[Theendzero13]

i will try to post my version of the scaling in the near future

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

i will try to post my version of the scaling in the near future

Alright then.

Btw what was the value for @M3X Hisoka calc?

 

[Theendzero13]

Alright then.

Btw what was the value for @M3X Hisoka calc?

22 to 39,6 tons, homever hisoka canonically did not take the explosion full power (also his body was wasted) so i do not think it can be used

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Let's get it rolling.

Calcs:

• Youpi's Rage Blast Crater: 8-A+
• Uvogin tanking the bazooka: 8-B+
• Uvogin's Big Bang Impact: 8-B
• Hisoka surviving puppets bombs: 8-B [Questionable imo]
• Benelov's Jupiter crater: High 8-C+
• Killua tanking the Bombardier Beetle explosion: High 8-C+
• Silva punching Cheetu into a crater: 8-C or 8-C+ (depending on frag/v.frag/pulv ratio)

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Benelov's Jupiter calc is 1.04068x from 8-B, and the Bombardier Beetle calc is 1.1666x from 8-B. Youpi's Rage Blast is 1.37x away from 7-C.
Killua's feat is casual resulting in Killua getting more annoyed than hurt, so that is good ground for upscaling.

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Ko, which is used for Gon's Jajanken, Uvogin's Big Bang Impact, and used once by Feitan to break his blade on transformed Zazan, is stated to concentrate 10x the amount of normal aura on the fist/sword:

Furthermore, a character explicitly estimates that Gon's Jajanken is 10x more powerful than his normal punch:

I think an argument can be made from upscaling the physically strongest humans to 8-A and the most powerful Nen attacks to 8-A. Especially with these; Gon's Jajanken has enough power to defeat Knuckle instead of kill or seriously injure him, and transformed Zazan no-sold Feitan's Ko:

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Youpi states that the people he fought (Shoot, Knuckle, Morel, Killua) have less than ten times his sheer strength:

So it is consistent for Youpi to be a tier above.

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Kurapika's Emperor Time gives him two boosts; Nen Contract which is stated to 'multiply' and 'skyrocket' his Aura in exchange for gradually reducing his lifespan with use, and becoming a Specialist with 100% Enchancement potency instead of 60%:

I suggested 2x for the first boost, and with the second boost it would be a total of 3.33x.

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The databooks has stats which might be useful for scaling:


There is also the Phantom Troupe arm wrestling chart (which are most likely includes Aura):

Shizuku with her non-dominant arm is a bit weaker than York New Gon, but can beat Gon with her dominant arm. Shizuku also managed to one-hit KO Nobunaga by hitting him from behind with Blinky (though Conjurers can add more Aura to the objects they create than directly to their body).

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I suggest delaying discussion on enraged Gon and Neferpitou to the top-tier segment.

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For the general cast, I am seeing either of these as the most likely:

• 8-B to 8-B+
• 8-B to 8-A
• 8-B to 8-B+ to 8-A

 

[Theendzero13]

Alright then.

Btw what was the value for @M3X Hisoka calc?

People like hisoka are probrably going to downscale from uvogin 55 tons feat

 

[Hk1488]

Is there any scaling left to be done?

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Yes. We need to come to a decision on which scaling to use, and what tiers different characters fall into.
Any new arguments or information are welcome.

Personally I prefer the 8-B, 8-B+, 8-A scaling.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Yes. We need to come to a decision on which scaling to use, and what tiers different characters fall into.
Any new arguments or information are welcome.

Personally I prefer the 8-B, 8-B+, 8-A scaling.

That applies to most of the Phantom Troupe, Kurapika, Hisoka and the Zoldycks right?

Do we determine Kurapika’s base rating by downscaling from his Emperor time stats using the multiplier you proposed?

 

[Theendzero13]

I will drop my scaling chain in one or two hours

 

[Theendzero13]

Before i post anything i would like to know something about how you guys feel about the following:
-do you think meruem fully scales to zero hand?
-how do you guys rank the troupe in terms of raw power?
-what do you feel about scaling the chimera ants going by their rank?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Before i post anything i would like to know something about how you guys feel about the following:
-do you think meruem fully scales to zero hand?
-how do you guys rank the troupe in terms of raw power?
-what do you feel about scaling the chimera ants going by their rank?

Yes I believe he does scale to it.

1. Uvogin
2. Feitan (with a decent Pain Packer)
3. Bonolenov’s Jupiter
4. Chrollo
5. Phinks
6. Machi
No one else really matters

I don’t see much of a problem with them scaling by rank. Also some of them are clearly exceptions like Meleoron.

 

[Theendzero13]

Ok here goes them

 

[Theendzero13]

I will be using databook stats as supporting evidence since those have little to no contradictions


God tiers:

Post rose meruem: 546,33 megatons

Meruem: 100 killotons, far above pitou and youpi, can overpower them with casual attacks, only took small damage from zero hand

Youpi: 87,45 killotons, over 10 times the 137,5 tons characters, has a feat on this level, higher with transformations

Pitou (base): 87,45 killotons stated to be the king top soldier by illumi and to have strenght second only to the king in side material,making it above youpi

Adult gon: 100 killotons, easely defeated and overpowered base pitou with a nenless kick, pitou was afraid he would go after the king, his binding vow has several similarities to netero's zero hand binding vow and likely has similar power , 1 megaton with rock

Netero(invasion/regained groove/ post training): 275 tons (should be stronger than uvo due to being an enhancer and having 5/5 databook stats) 55 killotons with bodhisattva (could not damage pitou and meruem , but still crashed and repelled them back, 100 killotons with zero hand

(Puppet) pitou: 100 killotons far stronger than before, took many attacks from adult gon before being killed

High tiers:
- uvogin: 275 tons, performed a 55 tons feat while at 20% , chrollo though it was impossible to defeat him with raw power and is physically the strongest of the troupe, 2,75 killotons with big bang impact

-kurapika (with emperor time) : 137,5 tons matched uvo who was using 50% of his power, 1,375 killotons with ko

-chrollo: 137,5 tons hisoka is more interested in fighting him than fighting any other troupe member or kurapika , called the strongest member of the troupe in side material, has 4 and 4 stats for nen and body in the databooks while kurapika has 3 and 4

- hisoka: 137,5 tons physically stronger than chrollo

-zeno: 137,5 tons matched chrollo

- silva: 137,5 tons matched chrollo, one-shotted the squadron leader cheetu

- razor: 137,5 tons stronger than hisoka physically

-base Kurapika: 91,67 tons around 60% of emperor time kurapika , 916,7 tons with ko

-Pouf: 137,5 tons the weakest royal guard, could not one-shot members of the invasion team like his collegues, homever as a royal and having
5/5 nen and body stats in the databooks he should be above the likes of hisoka and chrollo who only have 4/4 stats, stronger than morel,knov and pre-invasion netero

-Kite: 137,5 tons even with one arm gave small bruises to a newborn pitou who is called the strongest opponent gon and killua ever fought putting it(pitou) above razor,hisoka and chrollo, gave trouble to knuckle and shoot combined even as a reanimated corpse

CA Killua: 137,5 tons took little to no damage from ikalgo's bullets who can do heavy damage to royal guard trained squadron leaders like welfin who should be comparable to base zarzam, easely took down multiple jets and tanks while fatigued, brovada another squadron leader needed multiple attacks and strugled to take one tank down, one shotted rammot an officer ant, defeated leol's squad composed of 4+ officers and multiple peons without using his yo-yos and only briefily using his nen ability , despite the squad using strategy to gain an edge, has 4/4 databook stats, 1,375 killotons with ko

CA Gon : 137,5 tons comparable to killua, defeated 3 chimera officers despite getting multiple hits from them he did not suffer any serious damage at all and retaliated with one-shots, 1,375 killotons with rock

Morel: 137,5 tons comparable to killua, can beat squadron leaders without much trouble

Shoot: 137,5 tons comparable to killua

Knucke: 137,5 tons comparable to killua

Knov: 137,5 tons comparable to morel

Illumi: 137,5 tons comparable to hisoka and likely above killua

Phinks: 137,5 tons a little above feitan and comparable to hisoka, up to 1,375 killotons with ripper cycloton( thought he could beat zarzam )

Feitan: 137,5 tons pain packer ignores durability via heat, 1,375 killotons with ko

Zazam (base) : 137,5 tons matched feitan

Transformed zazam: 137,5, tons with at least 1,375 killotons in durability, tanked feitan ko attack but could not seriously harm him with multiple attacks

Machi: 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga though that she could kill hisoka

Nobunaga: 137,5 tons comparable to machi, possibly stronger than phinks as killua was more scared of him than phinks and nobunaga though he could take phinks down

Franklin: 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga, though he could kill hisoka

Shizuku: 0026 tons lost an arm wrestle to yorknew gon homever she was not using her dominant arm 137,5 tons with blink, conjurers can put can put more aura on their weapons than in their bodies one-shoted full power nobunaga with a surprise attack

Bonolenov : 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga, 1,375 killotons with jupiter(though he could kill zarzam)

Netero( rusty, pre-invasion ) : 137,5 tons around half as strong as his prime, comparable to know and morel, and weaker than pouf

Mid tiers:

GI Gon: 13,75 tons his rock matched razor's full power, 137,5 tons with rock

GI: killua: 13,75 tons comparable to gon, 137,5 tons with ko

Rammot: 13,75 tons stronger than greedy island gon and killua

Genthru: 13,75 tons stronger than GI Gon, 27,5 tons with little flower ( the explosion uses twice as much aura as a punch ) ,
275 tons with countdown( 10 times stronger than little flower )


Low tiers:

Yorknew gon: 0,026 tons performed a feat on this level very early in greed island before getting any physical training

Yorknew killua: 0,026 tons comparable to gon

Pakunoda: 0,026 tons got damaged by yorknew gon and killua but still stronger than then

Kortopi: unknown, lacks physical feats

Shalnark: 0,026 tons comparable to pakunoda, was unsure on his ability to damage a peon chimera ant, far higher with autopilot one-shotted a peon chimera ant

Kalluto: 0,026 tons weaker than shalnark , but should be comparable to yorknew killua

Fodder/nenless tier:
All of the following scale above the the 174,9 killojoules three spliting feat performed by a random hunter candidate

BOS: Killua,kurapika,leorio,gon

 

[Hk1488]

Is the anime considered 100 percent canon. say could I calculate a feat from the anime rather than the manga?

 

[Theendzero13]

Is the anime considered 100 percent canon. say could I calculate a feat from the anime rather than the manga?

No , the manga version takes priority, and anime only scenes are not allowed for what i know

 

[Hk1488]

What if the scene is in the manga but due to the nature of the manga beimg singular pictures said feat can only be quantified using the anime. Would that be an anime only feat?

 

[Theendzero13]

What if the scene is in the manga but due to the nature of the manga beimg singular pictures said feat can only be quantified using the anime. Would that be an anime only feat?

I actually don't know, but you can calc and post it if you want
But try to link the manga chapter were it happens

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Not gonna use the arm wrestling because:

A: that is liffting strenght
B: we do not know if the members go all out in them
C: no definitive proof of nen being envolved in all of them
D: no anwser for when the competitions took place and some members may have gotten stronger
E: it creates inconsistencies, like nobunaga matching franklin and feitan physicals surpassing chrollo

A: Which indicates their physical strength.
B: No reason to not go all out unless some members are trying to hide their strength and appear weaker than they actually are.

C & D: The ranking was actually referenced in the manga just before Nobunaga and Gon had an arm wrestling match with Aura:

When Gon previously had arm wrestling with Shizuku Nen was used as well:

There is evidence that goes against the Phantom Troupe having a rule to go into Zetsu before they arm wrestle.
Nobunaga was stated to around rank 7 or 8 by Franklin, even if we assume that Franklin wasn't mistaken and the ranking is outdated the difference is not big.

E: I think it is good evidence that rank 3 to rank 9 have around the same physical strength, with the higher ranks just being slightly stronger, which wouldn't be a contradiction.

This is a summary of the databook stats. The 'Stamina' in the chart can be translated into 'physical ability':

• 心＝精神力 (strong will, emotional strength, mental strength)
• 技＝戦闘技術 (combat techniques)
• 体＝身体能力 (physical ability, athletic skill)
• 念＝念能力 (Nen ability)
• 奇＝奇抜さ (eccentricity, novelty, originality)
• 知＝知力 (intelligence)

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Only major disagreement with the scaling is that I'd put most of the Spiders at high to top-tiers (which would upgrade a couple officers). Not only is there the arm wrestling ranking, and Killua comparing Machi & Nobunaga to Hisoka, but Troupe were competing on killing Hisoka:

Phinks+Nobunaga+Feitan believe that Hisoka doesn't stand a ray of hope against the three together, and Franklin thinks he can take Hisoka on his own:

If Machi didn't team up with anyone, meaning that she thinks she stands a fair chance at killing Hisoka as well.

Previously Nobanaga praised Hisoka because his Bungee Gum is tough to fight, implying that he sparred with him, but Franklin says that Hisoka is nothing special. Nobanaga also thinks that he can kill Hisoka on his own despite finding him annoying to fight:

 

[Theendzero13]

A: Which indicates their physical strength.
B: No reason to not go all out unless some members are trying to hide their strength and appear weaker than they actually are.

C & D: The ranking was actually referenced in the manga just before Nobunaga and Gon had an arm wrestling match with Aura:

When Gon previously had arm wrestling with Shizuku Nen was used as well:

There is evidence that goes against the Phantom Troupe having a rule to go into Zetsu before they arm wrestle.
Nobunaga was stated to around rank 7 or 8 by Franklin, even if we assume that Franklin wasn't mistaken and the ranking is outdated the difference is not big.

E: I think it is good evidence that rank 3 to rank 9 have around the same physical strength, with the higher ranks just being slightly stronger, which wouldn't be a contradiction.

This is a summary of the databook stats. The 'Stamina' in the chart can be translated into 'physical ability':

• 心＝精神力 (strong will, emotional strength, mental strength)
• 技＝戦闘技術 (combat techniques)
• 体＝身体能力 (physical ability, athletic skill)
• 念＝念能力 (Nen ability)
• 奇＝奇抜さ (eccentricity, novelty, originality)
• 知＝知力 (intelligence)

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Only major disagreement with the scaling is that I'd put most of the Spiders at high to top-tiers (which would upgrade a couple officers). Not only is there the arm wrestling ranking, and Killua comparing Machi & Nobunaga to Hisoka, but Troupe were competing on killing Hisoka:

Phinks+Nobunaga+Feitan believe that Hisoka doesn't stand a ray of hope against the three together, and Franklin thinks he can take Hisoka on his own:

If Machi didn't team up with anyone, meaning that she thinks she stands a fair chance at killing Hisoka as well.

Previously Nobanaga praised Hisoka because his Bungee Gum is tough to fight, implying that he sparred with him, but Franklin says that Hisoka is nothing special. Nobanaga also thinks that he can kill Hisoka on his own despite finding him annoying to fight:

It seens like most of the troupe is gonna scale to one another then, and most of the extermination team as well
Will update soon

 

[Theendzero13]

Done

 

[Antvasima]

So have you reached any conclusions here based on the accepted calculations?

 

[Theendzero13]

So have you reached any conclusions here based on the accepted calculations?

We seen to accept that most characters go from 8-B up to 8-A

 

[Theendzero13]

So have you reached any conclusions here based on the accepted calculations?

But we still have to talk about the god tiers, speed and come to an agreeiment on where exactly on 8-B they will scale

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Can’t Netero be 8B+ with the other god tiers having their own feats and scaling or are there some calcs for them?

 

[Theendzero13]

Can’t Netero be 8B+ with the other god tiers having their own feats and scaling or are there some calcs for them?

Yes Netero will be 8B+ via being stronger than uvogin until we find some better calc for him

Youpi has a 850 tons feat who scales to him and base pitou, pouf does not have any right to scale to this by reasons i posted on my scale

reanimated pitou,gon and pre-rose meruem upscale to 1 killoton from that calc

At least this is how i see things for now, by the way do you agree with the scaling i posted above, did some changes

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I have no issues with the scaling so far.

 

[Theendzero13]

I have no issues with the scaling so far.

Ok, fell free to voice criticism