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nah its kinda funnySam stomps Hogan so badly and in so many ways that it's not even funny.
Doesn't matter for this fight cause Sam sushis Hogan sooo...how does horgars earth manip work
hogan and sam are about as fast as each other excluding blade mode (which i’m pretty sure just increases reactions)Sam can clear that in a heartbeat.
hogan doesn’t specifically need to jump into orbit in order to do that but okAlso it's done with a move that has Hogan jumping into Orbit so Sam has like 6000000000 chances to stop it at any given time.
Yes, thing is not only is the leg drop not a first move, but trying to argue "range" with it is silly lmao. Also Blade Mode increases all speed.hogan and sam are about as fast as each other excluding blade mode (which i’m pretty sure just increases reactions)
hogan doesn’t specifically need to jump into orbit in order to do that but ok
should i bloodlust honkerYes, thing is not only is the leg drop not a first move, but trying to argue "range" with it is silly lmao
he is shown to use earth manip by pointing at the ground, nothing suggests that he can't do that without leg dropping. its not like he is then suddenly overtaken by a compulsive urge to jump into space and leg drop his opponentIt's his only show of the ability soooo
Wouldn't helpshould i bloodlust honker
he is shown to use earth manip by pointing at the ground, nothing suggests that he can't do that without leg dropping. its not like he is then suddenly overtaken by a compulsive urge to jump into space and leg drop his opponent
actually it isn't, i'm dumbScans? Cause it's only down on his page as the leg drop
His head being in two piecesactually it isn't, i'm dumb
its a different move
"Hogan causes the ground to shake before pointing at his opponent, causing the ground to shoot up knocking the enemy into the air. Hulk finishes by smashing through the wall created by the stone earth, throwing the opponent back."
what's stopping lulk logan from doing that here
i will bloodlust him so that he tries to keep sam at a distance rather than rushing in to leg drop the guy wielding a durability negating swordHe literally rushes in after, Sam can just Laido his ass from there.
i'm pretty sure hogan loses either way, i just find this match funny so i'm just trying to make this less of a stomp so that it can be addedyeah not much Hogan can do against being bloodshed'd
sam proceeds to jump like a hundred meters towards him because MGR dudes can just do shit like thati will bloodlust him so that he tries to keep sam at a distance rather than rushing in to leg drop the guy wielding a durability negating sword
i just checked the profile and it says blade mode increases reactions and combat speedBlade Mode increases all speed
Then he's not doing the earth manip, he can't do both at the same time.hogan can just
jump away
Because speed amp goes brrrrrrrwhy not, all he has to do is point at the ground
blade mode doesn’t help with movement speed and sam has to manually activate it, if honkie hogie is using earth manip i doubt sam will realize what’s going on in time to use blade mode and dodge. he needs to know that he has to use blade mode, and it’s not like he’d expect the ground to start shooting upwards into himBecause speed amp goes brrrrrrr
i am talking about bloodlusted luke loganHe doesn't have time to do a bunch of random shit or think heavily on what to do, and I'm not sure Hogan leads with comboing his skills together for no real reason.
It does though? What are you talking about, we even see them do cool fancy flips and shit while in Blade Mode, the only thing they actually need is to "focus". Them standing still for gameplay purposes isn't the same as them needing to stand still in canon to do it (doubly so when even in gameplay, there's QTE's where they move around with blade mode active).blade mode doesn’t help with movement speed
You realize this is a Metal Gear dude we're talking about? The same dudes who are trained extensively to pick up on extremely minute changes in just about anything and to act accordingly within a split moment? Sam being one of the more skilled ******* for no reason other than he's cool.i doubt sam will realize what’s going on in time to use blade mode and dodge.
You sure? He lives in a verse where something like that would be like, whatever, hell he fought Armstrong who has moves that shatter the ground, cause the ground to erupt beneath him and so on, it's not like he hasn't experience with those types of moves and abilities.he needs to know that he has to use blade mode, and it’s not like he’d expect the ground to start shooting upwards into him
Bloodlusting doesn't make a character smarter.i am talking about bloodlusted luke logan
on the profile it specifically says that it increases reactions and combat speedIt does though? What are you talking about
don’t they do that outside of blade mode as wellwe even see them do cool fancy flips and shit while in Blade Mode,
iirc mgr has quick time events outside of blade mode(doubly so when even in gameplay, there's QTE's where they move around with blade mode active).
does that apply to brazilian kenjutsu as well? sam was trained differently than other metal gear charactersYou realize this is a Metal Gear dude we're talking about? The same dudes who are trained extensively to pick up on extremely minute changes in just about anything and to act accordingly within a split moment?
yes he has experience, that doesn’t mean he’s gonna expect it to happen at any given moment. my point is that since the attack comes from basically out of nowhere, sam will not have time to see it coming and activate blade modeYou sure? He lives in a verse where something like that would be like, whatever, hell he fought Armstrong who has moves that shatter the ground, cause the ground to erupt beneath him and so on, it's not like he hasn't experience with those types of moves and abilities.
it allows them to act out of character and do whatever it takes to win, which in this case means hutyk using ranged attacksBloodlusting doesn't make a character smarter.
on the profile it specifically says that it increases reactions and combat speed
Yeah? My point was they also do it while in Blade Mode. Any zed animation would be a ok example of what I mean.don’t they do that outside of blade mode as well
Uh, yeah? It does? There being QTE's outside of Blade Mode doesn't invalidate when they are, that's literally not how it works.iirc mgr has quick time events outside of blade mode
Except again, Metal Gear character, the moment he gestures to do anything Sam is going to be running through his head numerous possibilities as to why he just did that and when he feels the ground shift or the air move even slightly he's gonna be on that shit. Remember, Sam has cybernetic enhancements, it might not be a lot (which is a testament to how jacked this dude is), but he still has the basics.yes he has experience, that doesn’t mean he’s gonna expect it to happen at any given moment. my point is that since the attack comes from basically out of nowhere, sam will not have time to see it coming and activate blade mode
No it allows them to be bloodlusted, it doesn't let them go "oh he's gonna combo all his attacks together instantly and do a bunch of things that would normally not even occur to him as possible", no it means "yeah he wants Sam dead so he's gonna whip out whatever he has", he's still gonna be using those things in ways you'd expect him to, it also doesn't mean he's going to abuse long range either, he doesn't know what Sam has or what he does, he would need a good reason to assume his long range stuff is better suited and optimal over his usually far better CQC shit. Like what if CQC was better to use against Sam? Would he still abuse long range? You can't just say he automatically does the best possible option, there has to be incentive, bloodlust or not.it allows them to act out of character and do whatever it takes to win, which in this case means hutyk using ranged attacks
ok i know that jetsterl samuel has very big muscular legs but i dont recall him ever jumping that fastYes, that includes burst movement, Sam might not be running a billion miles, but a fuckton of meters? That's literally one leap for him. Unless you're putting Sam and Hogan like a city apart or some shit.
weren't you trying to prove that blade mode enhances his movement speed? i never said it decreased his movement speed i just don't think blade mode enhances itYeah? My point was they also do it while in Blade Mode. Any zed animation would be a ok example of what I mean.
do cybernetic enhancements affect his senses? because i don't see anything about that on the profile. actually i don't see enhanced senses on there at all, outside of his perception of time slowing down during blade modeExcept again, Metal Gear character, the moment he gestures to do anything Sam is going to be running through his head numerous possibilities as to why he just did that and when he feels the ground shift or the air move even slightly he's gonna be on that shit. Remember, Sam has cybernetic enhancements, it might not be a lot (which is a testament to how jacked this dude is), but he still has the basics.
ok then hoglin now has prior knowledgeYou can't just say he automatically does the best possible option, there has to be incentive, bloodlust or not.
Might want to make the OP more detailedok then hoglin now has prior knowledge