Huge Honkai Revisions... PART 3

[Ultima_Reality]

with this relation being compared to the one between the real Universe and the Bubble Universes, with the latter being real physical Universes in their own way that are, however, nothing more than projections and illusions of the real ones.

Do you have any scans elaborating on the relationship between the bubble universes and the real universes?

The Cocoon of Finality is not only referred to as the Narrator, but manifested itself as the Narrator over the story of Honkai Impact 3rd itself, since we see the Cocoon suddenly taking the perspective of the Narrator as seen in this dialogue.

A character taking the role of the narrator isn't exactly very substantial evidence for 1-A, so, eh.

 

[Catzlaflame]

it’s important to note that it’s stated that it doesn’t exist in any dimension.

Eh.

It says: "The tree doesn't exist in any dimension we can get in touch [with?] directly"

For the record, I did read this:

Now, some of you may be wondering that my proposition towars the Imaginary Tree being “a part of the dimensions category” may contradict my previous claim of it not existing in any dimension; let me clarify: The statement about the Tree not existing in any dimension indicates that it isn’t inside nor does it share any continuity with any other dimensions, but it doesn’t mean the Tree itself isn’t categorised as a dimension.

The really important portion is primarily :

Now, some of you may be wondering that my proposition towards the Imaginary Tree being “a part of the dimensions category” may contradict my previous claim of it not existing in any dimension; let me clarify: The statement about the Tree not existing in any dimension indicates that it isn’t inside nor does it share any continuity with any other dimensions, but it doesn’t mean the Tree itself isn’t categorised as a dimension.

Which still nessecitates an assumption that would be contradicted by the scan.

To clarify my stance, as far as I am aware, the "dimensional" approach to scaling and the "mathematical" approach to scaling described in the OP are meant to be separate. I am fine with the first, mathematical, portion. I may just be the VSB-esque equivalent of liberal-ness, but I'm fine with an outright/likely Low-1A for that as opposed to a possibly. However, I disagree with Low-1A via the dimensional approach, and consequently the 1-A for the singulaity/CoF.

 

[ThanatosX]

Do you have any scans elaborating on the relationship between the bubble universes and the real universes?

Sure. To put it simply, Bubble Universes are like bubble in bathtub that reflects what exists in the real Universe just like a mirror would, with them being compared to shadows projected to the wall by hands. They can vary in size up to being similiar to a Universe, but even than they only have a higher degree of indipendence, remaining just shadows on a wall. I hope all the scans are correct since I am on mobile.
There might be some other scans that could be useful to this, but I might take a bit to find some more since this ones were the ones readily available.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Sure. To put it simply, Bubble Universes are like bubble in bathtub that reflects what exists in the real Universe just like a mirror would, with them being compared to shadows projected to the wall by hands. They can vary in size up to being similiar to a Universe, but even than they only have a higher degree of indipendence, remaining just shadows on a wall. I hope all the scans are correct since I am on mobile.
There might be some other scans that could be useful to this, but I might take a bit to find some more since this ones were the ones readily available.

Yeah, this doesn't seem to be an ontological difference of any kind. The point seems to be that the bubble universes are "shadows" insofar as they're just projected from the "real" universe and remain dependent on it and subject to its influence, while still remaining relative to it in scope. If this process is just transposed into the relation between the Herrschers and the Cocoon, then it doesn't yield anything notable in there, either.

 

[Delta333]

They can vary in size up to being similiar to a Universe

This scan would contradict to qualitative difference between the bubble universe and the real world tho, you can't be "closer" to something that's more qualitative than you by being "bigger".

 

[GarrixianXD]

but I'm fine with an outright/likely Low-1A for that as opposed to a possibly.

@Ultima_Reality @DarkDragonMedeus Is likely Low 1-A fine with y’all? I remember Ultima also saying likely is fine in Thanatos’s DMs.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

@Ultima_Reality @DarkDragonMedeus Is likely Low 1-A fine with y’all? I remember Ultima also saying likely is fine in Thanatos’s DMs.

I'd honestly stick to a "possibly," myself.

 

[VoidGoji]

"1-B, possibly Low 1-A"?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Possibly seems fine.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Possibly Low 1-A seems fine from what I've read, but I'll see what else everyone has to say.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Alright, I think this should be enough for me to apply the Possibly Low 1-A rating, considering Honkai isn't a popular or heated verse.

@Ultima_Reality List this thread to be on hold on your wiki management thread, as neither me nor Thanatos has conceded for 1-A yet.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Was asked to close this, I'm assuming for it to be kept on hold

 

[Ultima_Reality]

List this thread to be on hold on your wiki management thread, as neither me nor Thanatos has conceded for 1-A yet.

To clarify: Are you planning to propose 1-A, still? If so, I'd reckon it's best to do it here, considering this is what the thread was originally for, and other threads are waiting for their turn on the queue already.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

To clarify: Are you planning to propose 1-A, still? If so, I'd reckon it's best to do it here, considering this is what the thread was originally for, and other threads are waiting for their turn on the queue already.

We could just keep this ongoing and open another thread in the queue. Kill two stones with one bird-type deal.

 

[Vietthai96]

isn't Ultima is busy with that tier 0 root thread???

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

isn't Ultima is busy with that tier 0 root thread???

I think Low 1-A seems viable though a 1-A argument can be made since Ultima is letting this thread go on if there's a case for it.

Off-topic(unpurposeful derailment): Yes, Ultima is still just with the Roots thread. Given we’re waiting on Deagon's responses while Firestorm is trying to the raw scans and pile up some things that lack context.

 

[Vietthai96]

as a Nasuverse supporter, i was right avoiding that shitshow

 

[GarrixianXD]

as a Nasuverse supporter, i was right avoiding that shitshow

Wait till Deagon gets his ass on Dragon Ball Heroes.

 

[Eseseso]

Wait till Deagon gets his ass on Dragon Ball Heroes.

Glass and Fuji already nuked that verse's hax.

 

[Eseseso]

Aeons scale to the Imaginary Tree which is Low 1-A (based on this thread)
1-A comes from CoF transcending the Imaginary Tree.

So now all the Aeons are "possibly Low 1-A"?

 

[GarrixianXD]

So now all the Aeons are "possibly Low 1-A"?

Yeah…

 

[VoidGoji]

Basically anyone on the level is "1-B, possibly Low 1-A" now

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I finished applying all the changes on the HSR profiles

 

[VoidGoji]

Now herrschers /j

 

[Vietthai96]

Basically everyone is now possibly low 1-A, so much wank

 

[Eseseso]

Basically everyone is now possibly low 1-A, so much wank

BRB gonna find which Marvel Low 1-A would be a good fit for combat against the Aeons.

 

[ThanatosX]

To clarify: Are you planning to propose 1-A, still? If so, I'd reckon it's best to do it here, considering this is what the thread was originally for, and other threads are waiting for their turn on the queue already.

Personally speaking, I would prefer to just stick with "possibly Low 1-A" for the time being and keep discussions for anything related to 1-A for a later date. I still need to properly understand the new Tiering System, so I prefer to not rush arguments out for the sake of a upgrade. Plus, the game is huge and so it's hard to get scans of everything necessary (only Part 1 is formed by 35 chapters, each of the average length of 4 hours, making it 140+ hours of content to find scans in, just to give you an idea), this revision was made with scans that were readily available, but there are many more that were not included that could be of extreme importance.
"Possibly Low 1-A" is already a huge result for a verse that was downplayed to the extreme, so I personally will settle with this and move on to other parts of the verse that needs revision (like the profiles, they are horrible for the most part). From my part, a 1-A revision wont happen anytime soon anyway I am lazy.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Yeah, alright then. I'll close this thread.