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Would Unconventional Acausality (Type 1) work in this situation?
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I was just told that Xenoverse completely denies that notion as well, so this wouldn't give any kind of powerResistance to time travel lol, unless we equalize cosmology this thing will not work
Well DBH and XV was more specific on this but i will not go into detail cuz it long.I was just told that Xenoverse completely denies that notion as well, so this wouldn't give any kind of power
Pretty sure xenoverse has more explicit acausality stuffI was just told that Xenoverse completely denies that notion as well, so this wouldn't give any kind of power
Unironically in the scan right before this, she moves the picture of trunks under the label “past” when describing the time travel, not a completely separate timeline which means, like I said before, before the new timeline is created, time travel happens occurs in the desired timelineI did skim through it, and I am not sure what you are on about as even your own scans contradict your belief:
As you can see, in the diagram representing the original timeline A's mom is still alive, meaning the change of her dying was never enacted in the first place
By virtue of being an aspect of the verse, and by verse equalization.So, why would someone get a power because the verse has it
Doesn't this mean that everyone in the MCU should have type 1 acausality according to Bruce Banner? Or at least following this logic.I say huge, but it’s gonna be a rather simple crt.
Everyone in dragon ball super manga should get type 1 acausality due to the fact that killing a character in the past does not actually affect their timeline, but rather creates a different timeline in which they don’t live.
And this idea is expanded on by even trunks in dbz, that even the SMALLEST changes in the timeline would just create an alternative world.
Incorrect, as I explained and prove using scans multime times in the thread, time travel itself doesn't create timelines, the changes do.Now it is time to wrap up this bullshit, time travel create new branch timeline, what does that mean, that mean time travel does not affect causality, it create a new branch of causality, thus nothing acausality here because the verse itself in order to fix causality paradox, it create another causality line not character's power to resist causality paradox or acausality. End of story, now we can probably close this
Again, this is a quality everyone in the verse has by virtue of operating under this concept. Like I also said before, if you drop goku in a neutral verse, this would not be taken away not only for the reason I just listed above, but because of verse equalization. Akin to the way the flash wouldn't lose his speed force powers despite the speed force only being something that dc's cosmology operates under. Literally mentioned in the OP. On top of that already being addressed multiple times by me TO YOU SPECIFICALLY in this thread, so its weird you are repeating this as opposed to addressing what I said.So now even if we treat this as some form of Limited power, it only effect if you put the fight in Dragon Ball verse, for example you put Goku vs a guy with battlefield is Earth of Universe 7, if Goku opponent time travel back to the past to kill Goki, present Goku will be alive because of the DB verse mechanic protect him, not because Goku resist the paradox himself. But at the same time you guys can also put character who not belong to DB verse in a battlefield of DB, and they still being protected from time travel because of the battlefield mechanic prevent the paradox by creating new timeline
This was never stated within the manga, thats a blatant lie. Contrary to that, he verbatim says that he knows erasing zamasu will create a new timeline, he just doesn't ******* care lmao.Now Beerus or GoDs, is a very special case, as he negate the entire verse mechanic itself prevent it from creating a new timeline - a new causality line, our wiki right now hardly can list this kind of power lmao
Im not knowledgable on the MCU, but if that is whats going on there as well then sure ig? i dunnoDoesn't this mean that everyone in the MCU should have type 1 acausality according to Bruce Banner? Or at least following this logic.
I already proved that to be the case within the thread, so unless you addressed my reasoning for that, then saying that doesn't really help..My argument: there are no changes in the first place
They are fundamentally on different pages.
Change that doesn't appear in the original timeline and only appears in the new one.
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argument from repetition1. The verse itself create a new causality line when the change happen, it is the verse mechanic itself
It doesn't give him an advantage or anything at all. Under sba, the verse is equalized in a way characters don't gain or lose any new abilities as a result of the neutral verse. And just as flash has powers due to operating under something in his cosmology, so do these characters within dragon ball. And where does it say things exclusive to a singular verse doesn't get equalized?2. We don't equalize verse like that, as it give certain character from cetain verse have advantage, as this is special mechanic of one or two verses. And don't bring speed force here, it is still Flash own power that why it was equalize, we don't equalize thing that specific to one or two verses
This is a manga CRT. hence the manga only scans.3. The Beerus part is i'm talking about anime not manga though
He directly draws power form it, and in some cases is the source of it so it’s not the same. Goku just lives there.And just as flash has powers due to operating under something in his cosmology,
He, and everyone in the verse, have speed because of operating under the speed force. Goku and everyone in the verse is acasual because he operates under this principle listed above. its directly analogous.He directly draws power form it, and in some cases is the source of it so it’s not the same. Goku just lives there.
he has speed because he and the dc multiverse operates under the speed force. its literally kinetic energy. otherwise the entire verse wouldn't be able to move.Speed force gave Flash direct power, it was their power sources, DB cosmology doesn't give anyone acausality, it just create a new timeline
Again what the ****, Speed Force gave Flash actual power. Dragon Ball cosmology gave nothing to Goku, at this point your argument fail flat on itself and clearly show you own bias nature and misunderstanding of the entire thing, trying to use other verse to give your point credit which fail entirelyhe has speed because he and the dc multiverse operates under the speed force. its literally kinetic energy. otherwise the entire verse wouldn't be able to move.
goku has acausality because he operates under this principle in the cosmology. otherwise time travel could affect the original timeline.
so because the speed force amps people and because dragon ball gives an ability, verse equalization doesn't apply? what? i'll just quote sba and we can move onAgain what the ****, Speed Force gave Flash actual power. Dragon Ball cosmology gave nothing to Goku, at this point your argument fail flat on itself and clearly show you own bias nature and misunderstanding of the entire thing, trying to use other verse to give your point credit which fail entirely
At this point this thread should be close
and calling me bias and insulting me doesn't defeat my argument, as many people can disagree with it as they want, but unless their reasoning is valid or unaddressed by me, then it doesn't matter.It is also important to note that characters won't lose or gain any abilities or resistances which they do or do not inherently possess.
the only difference is literally the speed force gives speed whilst this db gives type 1.The speed force has actual feats of amping characters, we don’t give abilities to characters for being slaves to their cosmology
speedsters doesn't lose his speed force powers, db doesn't lose acausality, etc etc.It is also important to note that characters won't lose or gain any abilities or resistances which they do or do not inherently possess.
But we can’t give abilities due to being slaves to the rules of reality. That isn’t an abilityspeedsters doesn't lose his speed force powers, db doesn't lose acausality, etc etc.
Actually, the difference is that while the speed force does affect everyone, there’s like, 5 people in the dc universe who actually gain anything from it Besides the ability to move. and don’t tell me movement is an ability. Meanwhile, the db universe nulls changes to timeline, but nobody in the db universe draws power from it. The speed force is a amping tool, while the db universe is a place to live. I don’t get Acausality type 1 if multiverse theory is true in the real world. U can’t give people powers because they are subject To the laws of physics.the only difference is literally the speed force gives speed whilst this db gives type 1.
and sba quite literally agrees with this idea
we can and already do? I already listed multiple things from this wiki that directly conflict with your belief.But we can’t give abilities due to being slaves to the rules of reality. That isn’t an ability
speedforce grants the ability to movie, all speedsters do is draw more energy from it than regular people. and yes movement is something granted by the speedforce, don't ignore that.Actually, the difference is that while the speed force does affect everyone, there’s like, 5 people in the dc universe who actually gain anything from it Besides the ability to move. and don’t tell me movement is an ability.