How giorno have infinite speed?

[Shey]

So pucci have infinite speed because acceleration time? Not mih manga statement?

Pucci achieves Infinite Speed by Accelerating time to Infinity.
The Manga does state MiH's speed is infinite and the Chapter cover also explains that is how he does it

 

[the_doctor]

It is a place without time, King Crimson erases time

yeah, and that been noted in speed explanation. if entity move in timeless place/timeless void then they won't get infinite speed

 

[the_doctor]

Pucci achieves Infinite Speed by Accelerating time to Infinity.
The Manga does state MiH's speed is infinite and the Chapter cover also explains that is how he does it

Wait chapter covers? What chapter is it in?

 

[the_doctor]

Pucci mencapai Kecepatan Tak Terbatas dengan Mempercepat waktu hingga Tak Terhingga.
Manga menyatakan kecepatan MiH tidak terbatas dan sampul Bab juga menjelaskan bagaimana dia melakukannya

This so impossible to get debunked.
I think pucci have infinite speed because manga statement. And it's not just manga statements.

 

[Shey]

Wait chapter covers? What chapter is it in?

Chapter 157 Made in Heaven Part 9

 

[the_doctor]

Chapter 157 Made in Heaven Part 9

Thx shey

 

[the_doctor]

Dia menggunakan kemampuan di tempat yang waktu itu dilewati. Tidak peduli seberapa cepat itu ditunjukkan yang pasti melakukan sesuatu pada waktu nol.

Pucci berakselerasi hingga alam semesta diatur ulang karena kecepatannya yang tinggi.

Dua prestasi berbeda. Namun keduanya dapat mencapai kecepatan yang secara teknis tidak terbatas

hmmm, but how. It should get resistance to time stop.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

hmmm, but how. It should get resistance to time stop.

You can't get time stop when the attack is time skip. Literally he moved time forward in an instant. Not stop it. Yet giorno within those skipped time with GER was able to reverse it or perform requiem to reverse it. That's not resistance that's speed. If he has resistance to time skip. Time will not skip because he resist it. Not because he used an ability to counter it

 

[the_doctor]

You can't get time stop when the attack is time skip. Literally he moved time forward in an instant. Not stop it. Yet giorno within those skipped time with GER was able to reverse it or perform requiem to reverse it. That's not resistance that's speed. If he has resistance to time skip. Time will not skip because he resist it. Not because he used an ability to counter it

so ger have resistance to time manipulation. Yeah he can move in timeless place, should he get that.

 

[the_doctor]

Anda tidak bisa mendapatkan waktu berhenti ketika serangan itu melewati waktu. Secara harfiah dia memajukan waktu dalam sekejap. Tidak menghentikannya. Namun giorno dalam waktu yang dilewati dengan GER dapat membalikkannya atau melakukan permintaan untuk membalikkannya. Itu bukan hambatan, itu kecepatan. Jika dia memiliki ketahanan terhadap time skip. Waktu tidak akan berlalu karena dia menolaknya. Bukan karena dia menggunakan kemampuan untuk melawannya

That resistance not speed, that really weird dude.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I explained why it is not resistance. If you dont agree make a CRT. Just be ready for Chariot lol

 

[the_doctor]

I explained why it is not resistance. If you dont agree make a CRT. Just be ready for Chariot lol

Chariot? Hmmm okay.

 

[the_doctor]

Saya menjelaskan mengapa itu bukan perlawanan. Jika Anda tidak setuju membuat CRT. Bersiaplah untuk Chariot lol

That looks resistance to me.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

somewhere chariot just sensed a disturbance in the force

 

[Chariot190]

why does giorno have infinite speed? the data book says that's is immeasurable, It should be immeasurable because it's unknown but how ur'all scale him to Infinite?

The databook quite literally does not say immeasurable.
Reminder, our definition of "immeasurable", and every other person in existence's definition of the word, are not the same. When the guide says it can't be measured because it's hot shit, that's literally all it means. It's above Infinity and infinite speed stuff wouldn't be able to get past it (BIG and MIH peak speed to be exact), that doesn't mean it's our, to be blunt, made-up definition of the word that isn't even "immeasurable", but more temporal fuckery or nonlinear speed than anything tbh.

 

[the_doctor]

The databook quite literally does not say immeasurable.
Reminder, our definition of "immeasurable", and every other person in existence's definition of the word, are not the same. When the guide says it can't be measured because it's hot shit, that's literally all it means. It's above Infinity and infinite speed stuff wouldn't be able to get past it (BIG and MIH peak speed to be exact), that doesn't mean it's our, to be blunt, made-up definition of the word that isn't even "immeasurable", but more temporal fuckery or nonlinear speed than anything tbh.

It doesn't make any sense. just saying that it can't be measured doesn't mean ger above mih and notorius in speed

 

[the_doctor]

The databook quite literally does not say immeasurable.
Reminder, our definition of "immeasurable", and every other person in existence's definition of the word, are not the same. When the guide says it can't be measured because it's hot shit, that's literally all it means. It's above Infinity and infinite speed stuff wouldn't be able to get past it (BIG and MIH peak speed to be exact), that doesn't mean it's our, to be blunt, made-up definition of the word that isn't even "immeasurable", but more temporal fuckery or nonlinear speed than anything tbh.

Im forgot about immeasurable on this wiki.

 

[Chariot190]

It doesn't make any sense. just saying that it can't be measured doesn't mean ger above mih and notorius in speed

But it literally does? It can't be measured because it's too high
Take the attack power, for example, it's flat-out stated to exceed all Stands in attack output (same page btw, one paragraph over) but why wouldn't it be measured? It's pretty simple. Just slap an A+ on it, but it isn't, it's rated as None too, because each one of his stats exceeds everything, it's flat out above them as a whole, which is why it's incomparable, he just memes on his whole verse, he's the canonical God Tier.
Infinite speed is a speed stat, two Stands have it, one of which is even in Part 5, coupled with Veller flat-out saying it's the ultimate ability that ***** everything ever basically (Veller keeps GER's impossible-to-measure stats too, while also rating things with Infinite in some cases, That's notable as Veller tweaked a bunch of stand stats, retconning a handful, such as Sticky Fingers, GE, Echoes Act 3, etc, which would later be used in future material like the Part 4, 5 and 6 anime opposed to using the original defunct volume stats).

Ger's stats > Every other Stand's capabilities, up to early Part 8 anyway. This stays the case until a new guide comes out and changes or retcons his stats or re-elaborates what it entails.

 

[the_doctor]

Tapi itu benar? Tidak bisa diukur karena terlalu tinggi
Ambil kekuatan serangan, misalnya, itu dinyatakan untuk melebihi semua Stand dalam keluaran serangan (halaman yang sama btw, satu paragraf di atas) tetapi mengapa itu tidak diukur? Ini cukup sederhana. Tepuk saja A+ di atasnya, tetapi tidak, itu dinilai sebagai Tidak ada juga, karena masing-masing statistiknya melebihi segalanya, itu rata di atas mereka secara keseluruhan, itulah sebabnya tidak ada bandingannya, dia hanya meme di seluruh ayatnya , dia adalah Tingkat Dewa kanonis.
Kecepatan tak terbatas adalah stat kecepatan, dua Stand memilikinya, salah satunya bahkan di Bagian 5, ditambah dengan Veller yang mengatakan itu adalah kemampuan pamungkas yang pada dasarnya mengacaukan segalanya (Veller juga menyimpan statistik GER yang mustahil diukur, sementara juga menilai sesuatu dengan Infinite dalam beberapa kasus, Itu penting karena Veller men-tweak banyak statistik stand, retconning beberapa, seperti Sticky Fingers, GE, Echoes Act 3, dll, yang nantinya akan digunakan dalam materi mendatang seperti Bagian 4, 5 dan 6 anime menentang penggunaan statistik volume asli yang mati).

Statistik Ger > Kemampuan Setiap Stand lainnya, hingga awal Bagian 8. Ini tetap terjadi sampai panduan baru keluar dan mengubah atau mengembalikan statistiknya atau menguraikan kembali apa yang diperlukan.

Isn't that because ger stats are none? But I don t see any statement, ger strength is too high, and finally becomes a can't be measured.

 

[Chariot190]

Ger's stats are "None" because they can't be measured.
The statement in question is explaining why he lacks stats (Every stand in the guide has an explanation why some stats are the way they are, like White Album's A in power is because he can theoretically destroy anything by freezing it an making it brittle and his C in speed is because he's just a roided out human in a suit, but with skates he can outpace speeding vehicles and stuff so he's kinda whatever in speed), because he's basically the God Tier.

I'm not quite sure what you're asking now, but all of this should be on the profile to some extent, though the veller everything and ultimate ability scan isn't, but that's more just reiteration that he's the king of the verse than the actual relevant statements and elaboration.

 

[the_doctor]

Ger's stats are "None" because they can't be measured.
The statement in question is explaining why he lacks stats, because he's basically the God Tier.

I'm not quite sure what you're asking now, but all of this should be on the profile to some extent, though the veller everything and ultimate ability scan isn't, but that's more just reiteration that he's the king of the verse than the actual relevant statements and elaboration.

Ouh. But I m not sure about rtz having infinite speed. I think that needs other statement for rtz stats. Literally can't measured not mean above everything. but in another place it can also be above everything, But it's all helped by another statement.

 

[Chariot190]

No offense but I have no idea what you're saying, that's not on you tho, it seems to be a language barrier.
Anyway, it's stated that RTZ is
1. The Ultimate ability (in the same guide that features MIH and BIG, both rated Infinite in speed, important to note because MIH demonstrably and explicitly is able to hit infinite speed as its whole gimmick and BIG, well BIG needs a huge overhaul, he technically doesn't "copy" speed to begin with)
2. No matter what ability one may have, they can't get past RTZ (And I'm not just talking about GER's shit talk, but even then that'd count because BIG predates GER and GER is well aware of it)
3. It explicitly states GER's stats for RTZ are utterly beyond and above the whole Stand stat rating gimmick as a whole, and thus all existing Stands can not be compared with it, this is a blatant "yeah it scales above literally everything's stats", this is important because BIG and MIH are both rated with their peak in mind, hence why the speed stat they're given is quite literally "Infinite", Ger is above this and even an infinite speed is incomparable to RTZ's "speed".
4. Literally same page also explains his attack power exceeds all stands' attack output as well, basically just a clarification of one of several of his stats, but this doesn't just apply to attack power, or even speed, this applies to Sustainability, Range, Potential, and more, it's not just two stats but all of them, and oddly enough with just his small runtime on screen we get a sustainability feat beyond the whole of the verse (RTZ lasts eternity on Diavolo, killing him infinitely forever, aka Infinite+Beyond linear time with just his length of action on his ability), range (kills Diavolo across multiple worlds and through times, aka beyond any Stand stat in range), power (with just a flick of his finger he blows a hole through King Crimson's hand and then dismantles him, killing him. King Crimson is one of the strongest characters in the verse and is even stated to be one of the most powerful stands, yet he gets literally torn apart, putting GER at blatantly the strongest Stand in attack power just as statements suggest), and then RTZ? It's shown to work moment by moment, even when time itself literally does not exist which when coupled with the fact that not even infinite speed ******* like MIH or peak BIG are supposed to be able to get past it...

I'm not sure what the issue is, GER not only has statements backing this, but all his showings corroborate it the claim that his stats > the verse, which is a miracle given he's only in 3 chapters, most of which is him talking shit at Diavolo while actively keeping his abilities hidden.

 

[the_doctor]

No offense but I have no idea what you're saying, that's not on you tho, it seems to be a language barrier.
Anyway, it's stated that RTZ is
1. The Ultimate ability (in the same guide that features MIH and BIG, both rated Infinite in speed, important to note because MIH demonstrably and explicitly is able to hit infinite speed as its whole gimmick and BIG, well BIG needs a huge overhaul)
2. No matter what ability one may have, they can't get past RTZ (And I'm not just talking about GER's shit talk, but even then that'd count because BIG predates GER and GER is well aware of it)
3. It explicitly states GER's stats for RTZ are utterly beyond and above the whole Stand stat rating gimmick as a whole, and thus all existing Stands can not be compared with it, this is a blatant "yeah it scales above literally everything's stats", this is important because BIG and MIH are both rated with their peak in mind, hence why the speed stat they're given is quite literally "Infinite", Ger is above this and even an infinite speed is incomparable to RTZ's "speed".
4. Literally same page also explains his attack power exceeds all stands' attack output as well, basically just a clarification of one of several of his stats, but this doesn't just apply to attack power, or even speed, this applies to Sustainability, Range, Potential, and more, it's not just two stats but all of them, and oddly enough with just his small runtime on screen we get a sustainability feat beyond the whole of the verse (RTZ lasts eternity on Diavolo, killing him infinitely forever, aka Infinite+Beyond linear time with just his length of action on his ability), range (kills Diavolo across multiple worlds and through times, aka beyond any Stand stat in range), power (with just a flick of his finger he blows a hole through King Crimson's hand and then dismantles him, killing him. King Crimson is one of the strongest characters in the verse and is even stated to be one of the most powerful stands, yet he gets literally torn apart, putting GER at blatantly the strongest Stand in attack power just as statements suggest), and then RTZ? It's shown to work moment by moment, even when time itself literally does not exist which when coupled with the fact that not even infinite speed ******* like MIH or peak BIG are supposed to be able to get past it...

I'm not sure what the issue is, GER not only has statements backing this, but all his showings corroborate it the claim that his stats > the verse, which is a miracle given he's only in 3 chapters, most of which is him talking shit at Diavolo while actively keeping his abilities hidden.

Jeez. finally i know why rtz speed is infinite, Thx chariot. So time acceleration Pucci Can't through rtz.

 

[Chariot190]

No, he can't.
And for what it's worth, every piece of media that shows Gio Vs. Pucci, has Pucci get stomped.

For example, in ASB, Gio with GER is the only character in the whole game who behaves normally against Pucci and isn't slowed down.
And in the hilariously noncanon JJ novel, Pucci gets furious and starts crunching time to a ludicrous degree to where toward the start of the scene he's already crunching time so much tens of thousands of years pass by in an instant (As stated by the clocks and Jorge himself), everything crumbles to dust and the dust crumbles into the chemical components that make up said dust (as stated by narration), and it just keeps going. Before he rushes Gio and vanishes.
He vanished because the speed at which he attacked was completely imperceptible to Jorge yet Pucci never landed the hit, he got sent to a different world to experience death for eternity, despite lunging at GER at an absolutely insane speed while bloodlusted, that wasn't enough to get by Gio's stand ability.

Of course, neither mean anything for canon, but it just goes to show that basically all media agree MIH ain't shit to GER or RTZ, whether that be canon, noncanon or even just games, they always make it a point for GER to meme on Pucci.

 

[Demifiend]

Pucci fodder fr