Kaio is talking about Genki there. The "Spirit Bomb" is the funimation term, the actual term is "Genki Dama." Genki is not necessarily the energy of existence. Also, God ki and normal ki are completely different from genki. Genki, like with the genki dama, is your life energy such that losing all of it kills you. It is also independent of power, all the humans contributing to the genki dama contribute the same amount as Ultimate Gohan did in the Buu arc.A Stoned Orc said:
Yes, they can sense that he IS existence itself, because they can sense entities like far off planets, etc etc. But how does this prove that this is possible based on a ki signature? Because the "energy of existence", described before is Genki, and we've already established that this is not a matter of genki.Iisdude1 said:
Because Zamasu is literally not a character in that case, he BECAME the universe itself. And all of these arguments that it was strength based have been complete nonsense. "Oh he used the energy of existence" The only energy you could be referring to is Genki, which is essentially life energy, that is equal among all characters, which is the whole concept for the genki dama." "His ki was so large that he could do this!" Which is completely at odds with the scene. He BECAME the universe because he was immortal, and his body was destroyed. He didnt have a body, but he had immortality granted by the supremely powerful Super Dragon Balls, so he simply could not die. It had absolutely nothing to do with strength/ki. If he was not immortal, Trunks would have killed him and that would have been the end of it, even though his ki size(God Ki) was the same.Iisdude1 said:
Obviously Zamasu>>>>>>Jiren. But to say "oh the baseline 2-C is at Astral Zamasu because he became the universe" is nonsensical because you're attributing to power that is simply not a reflection of power. He became the universe because his body was destroyed and hes immortal, not because he is the first character to reach a particular strength threshold as this site falsely claims.Dragomer said:
100% contradicted in the new Moro stuff. Vegeta's normal, base-form power skyrocketted after training and building his Genki (Spirit Energy in the official translation) with the Yardrats. Goku is stated to have more powerful Genki than Vegeta, one of the reasons why he's always still a step or more behind Goku.PFM18 said:
On this site, being the universe or being that kind of being give you that kind of power, that's how the tiering works, just like existing before time give you a specific tier here IIRC, not that i agree or disagree but it's how the tiering work here.PFM18 said:
That infinite zamasu should not just be treated as a character of a particular strength because he became existence itself and it had absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with his power and everything to do with his immortality.Zamasu Chan said:
Obviously Jiren>Zamasu. But then, the claim is that him surpassing zamasu represents a new power threshhold that people call 2-C or whatever. But Zamasu....only "became" the multiverse because hes immortal and his body was destroyed. So....Jiren is stronger than immortality? That makes no ******* sense. Why? Because this "feat" HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH POWER.Iisdude1 said:
Yes, Zamasu became the universe because he's immortalPFM18 said:
You're still using it as a power threshold, that Jiren, or anyone else above Infinite Zamasu, has a higher ki than him and so is also multiversal or whatever, but Zamasu's ki is COMPLETELY irrelevant. It has nothing to do with being able to accomplish this feat, so using it as a metric for other characters is nonsensical.Dragomer said:
