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How are the Downstreamers Boundless?
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I said that they still use spatial dimensions under certain conditions. It having a transcendent nature doesn't suddenly disprove them of being a spatial dimension if the verse says it is one.
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The word "I" implies state of being, and so do the terms "power" and "level". A state of being automatically implies that you are dimensioned in nature.
Now I'm not saying that 1-A and above doesn't exist. I'm saying that it's only applicable to hierarchies and mathematics
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Your post makes no sense. Therefore it is invalid
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I can somewhat understand the argument behind a physical state of being implying dimensionality, but I believe we ignore that reasoning for the purposes of VS Debating. It's the same reason why we can ignore conservation of mass when referring to AP, or how we allow match-ups with characters who posses Type 5 Acausality or Type 2 NEP despite them not being logically able to interact/be interacted with: because fiction tends to ignore that logic.
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..... Spatial dimention still can be higher tiers if is tracendental, but at that point literally everything can be tier 2-1 if they are tracendental
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Yes, so, we technically still use it.
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By all mean, spatial or temporal or whatever it is, they are still dimension. If it fit the criteria for higher tier then it is higher tier.
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I’m pretty sure it’s the exact opposite as of recent. Vs battles doesn’t use claims of characters being “dimensionless” as accurate scaling of said characters, and it wouldn’t make sense even if that weren’t the case. It literally isn’t tier-able without further in verse context
there’s a difference between illogical things happening in fiction and logical contradictions.
saying that a space is “dimensionless” is a logical contradiction. Saying that a being “exists” that is dimensionless is also a logical contradiction.
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By what standards is it illogical? Yours? We don't care about that.
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transcending means a lot of things. use a different adjective to elaborate your points because transcending the multiverse is no longer enough for tier 1 nor does it explain what you are trying to say by saying transcendental
We literally have a FAQ of the tiering question to explain how higher spatial dimension can qualify and why being 4 spatial dimension doesn't grant tiers anymore but still considered higher dimensional (HDE in P&A) unless they are also stated to be capable of embedding the entire universe into them which by then they would be low 2-C or higher
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They qualify if they tracend in a inmensurable infinte
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And those dimensions aren´t spatial
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Why do you think that?
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They alredy tackled that in the Tiering revision rework
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idc just tell me
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Dimensions (spatials) are no longer used for tiering, because it was just range feats and not actually AP feats
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that doesn't disprove anything lmao
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.... what? i alredy tell that dimensions are about legth not AP. Basically just being really big
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It does practically scales the character somewhere under correct circumstances.
For an illustration, if certain character destroys an object with aleph-2 sized, he’d presumably be 1-A due to him destroying an object’s scale that completely exceeds fundamental structure of geometric space, as the R is composed of the set of every real numbers, or simply aleph-1 in size.
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Aaaand they might be upgraded again depending on the Type IV multiverse CRT.
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link?
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it doesn't seem likely tbh
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thanks btw
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Because any aleph-2-sized object would already possess a number of points greater than R.
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What does R mean
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Dimensions are defined as powers of R (real numbers) in coordinate space
R^0 = a point (0-D)
R^1 = a line (1-D)
R^2 = a plane (2-D)
R^N = High 1-B
R^R = Low 1-A
R^0 = a point (0-D)
R^1 = a line (1-D)
R^2 = a plane (2-D)
R^N = High 1-B
R^R = Low 1-A
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Alright well I'll ask again. Why can't I have a uncountably infinite 3 dimensional space
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A 3-D space is already uncountable infinite in comparison to 2-D. Them being aleph-2 sized would be another matter that doesn't correlate with your question.
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In the same way the smallest possible unit (points) powered by R are beyond Aleph-0, the smallest possible units powered by Aleph-2 exceeds R (Aleph-1) coordinate spaces, which is where dimensions are defined. Thus 1-A.
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It does bruh. I'm using the same logic with Aleph-1, if your saying a 3d space could by uncountably infinite in size then it's the size of Aleph-1 meaning it wouldn't automatically qualify for the tier Low-Outer
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Like I said, even the smallest possible unit powered by Aleph-2 would already be beyond R spaces.
11-C to Low 1-A are all defined by varying degrees of powers of R or Aleph-1. So an aleph-2-sized thing would already be beyond those.
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Don't think I fully understand. You got any sources to learn more about Real Coordinate Spaces?
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