Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Nighting4l33yes]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/are-a...t-of-tier-1-staff-version.190012/post-7666884

@SuperNova55555 This is confusing me. Unless I misunderstood. If this was referring to the actual aeons, the text would be 1) using their names, and most importantly 2) not have the word "matter" in it because that does not insinuate any known aeon. The text just says that philosophical concepts make up the universe...? The very next paragraph in the same entry, which idk why you ignored, says

Legend has it that a mysterious faction known as Device IX lurks in the empty reflections of void, difficult to be perceived by the material world. Those who gaze into the void for a long time will gradually be drawn to the dark energy overflowing in the abyss, eventually passing through the Dark Web that separates reality from nothingness

Device ix is outside of the universe and "void", which clearly exists outside of the tree, is often used as a synonym to "nihility". Even if you disagree with that, nihility is still found across the entire tree and thus all of its "spaces".

 

[Mbpoops]

Sung jin woo + haxor bunie + thanos + herrscher of truths + simon

Why do birds fly Why do birds fly Why do birds fly Why do birds fly Why do birds fly Why do birds fly Why do birds fly

 

[Mbpoops]

 

[Roha124]

Sampo, Sparkle, Giovanni, and that random guy kinda implied to be Elation's Emanator huh?

 

[Le'garde273]

Sampo, Sparkle, Giovanni, and that random guy kinda implied to be Elation's Emanator huh?

Sampo lowkey implied to be emanator i believe, as he rated as invalid on that pistol rating

 

[Doggo]

Did...Wolfie just created a constellation?

 

[SuperNova55555]

@SuperNova55555 This is confusing me. Unless I misunderstood. If this was referring to the actual aeons, the text would be 1) using their names, and most importantly 2) not have the word "matter" in it because that does not insinuate any known aeon. The text just says that philosophical concepts make up the universe...? The very next paragraph in the same entry, which idk why you ignored, says

Aeons are used interchangeably with their own Philosophies. It’s why you can call Aha simply the “Elation”.

Device IX, there, is the dark Web in the Void (Nihility). Particularly speaking, all Nihility articles (like Horizon of Existence for example) mention a particular Void that exists juxtaposed to specifically the “Material World”. Void here is being used as the totality of non-existence, and is essentially identical to IX itself.

Even if you disagree with that, nihility is still found across the entire tree and thus all of its "spaces".

I’m assuming “spaces” here is supposed to be Imaginary Space, ye? If so, I’d like you to pull up the statement of IX being opposite to anything beyond the Material World.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Sampo, Sparkle, Giovanni, and that random guy kinda implied to be Elation's Emanator huh?

No because it states that out of all of them, Silverwolf is the one that made the cartridge to sprout.

I still believe Sampo is an emanator though.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Did...Wolfie just created a constellation?

To prevent another Herta Cake/3 Galaxies thingy

It looks like a drone show

 

[SuperNova55555]

Oh another vid? I’ll tune in later ig, gotta do sum classes first…

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

idk why i cant reply directly so ill ping @SuperNova55555

Aeons are used interchangeably with their own Philosophies. It’s why you can call Aha simply the “Elation”.

partially untrue. whenever this happens they capitalize the first letter of the word. there is also no aeon of matter. so the rest are probably no aeons either. they are just concepts which make up the world.

Device IX, there, is the dark Web in the Void (Nihility). Particularly speaking, all Nihility articles (like Horizon of Existence for example) mention a particular Void that exists juxtaposed to specifically the “Material World”. Void here is being used as the totality of non-existence, and is essentially identical to IX itself.

i agree.

I’m assuming “spaces” here is supposed to be Imaginary Space, ye? If so, I’d like you to pull up the statement of IX being opposite to anything beyond the Material World

what? ix/nihility is the conceptual end of reality. that includes the imaginary too. device ix is beyond the universe bc thats the only "place" nihility doesn't reach. that and the fact that everything is predetermined in it. i don't think that means the material world alone. "universe" usually includes the entirety of the tree.

 

[SuperNova55555]

reality

and

imaginary

in the same sentence

I don't believe I have to explain how Reality is the word explicitly used to refer to things that aren't Imaginary, ye? This is arguably their only consistent terminology, too.

i don't think that means the material world alone.

It's very, very obviously the material world. Not only is IX juxtaposed towards it twice (Device IX, Horizon of Existence), but it is also always juxtaposed towards particularly Matter and Order as well. Two properties which are only found in Real Space. And unlike those, you'll never find IX be the "opposite of disorder" or whatever.

"universe" usually includes the entirety of the tree.

The Tree which in HSR famously refers to Real Space?

there is also no aeon of matter.

There is no philosophy of matter either.

 

[Mbpoops]

sunday becoming the aeon of philosophy.. does that mean hes trhe aeon of aeons?

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

Yeah...? Why do you think both Hi3 and HSR have the same Imaginary/Quantum elements lol?

Herrschers are even stated to be Imaginary in nature LOL.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

sunday becoming the aeon of philosophy.. does that mean hes trhe aeon of aeons?

Aeon of Philosophy is a name we gave him

Honkai: Star Rail Aeon of Philosophy Sunday

By using the Harmonious Choir as the foundation and combining the powers of the Emanator of Harmony from Dominicus and the Emanator of Order from the Harmonic Strings Sunday successfully turned himself into a shell of an egg. The Embryo of Philosophy. In this state, he is a newborn slumbering...

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Because at the time of this CRT, 3.8 didn't exist yet so it wasn't spelled out to certain people that he did become an Aeon. Therefore, Conquest doesn't exist yet.

 

[Mbpoops]

what? ix/nihility is the conceptual end of reality. that includes the imaginary too. device ix is beyond the universe bc thats the only "place" nihility doesn't reach. that and the fact that everything is predetermined in it. i don't think that means the material world alone. "universe" usually includes the entirety of the tree.

reality and imaginary are EXPLICITLY differentiated and this is one of the only things hoyo has actually gone out of their way to clarify ingame especially in hi3 hsr mainly focuses on the material world aka real space so their tree refers to the material universe. it would be really weird if we assumed it meant the same tree as hi3 since that one is explicitly higher dimensional and rivals the soq which is 11D. unless you wanna say the 4D universe contains both 11D structures and we can nuke the verse to 4D (weaver's arguments still pmo ngl)

 

[Mbpoops]

Aeon of Philosophy is a name we gave him

Honkai: Star Rail Aeon of Philosophy Sunday

By using the Harmonious Choir as the foundation and combining the powers of the Emanator of Harmony from Dominicus and the Emanator of Order from the Harmonic Strings Sunday successfully turned himself into a shell of an egg. The Embryo of Philosophy. In this state, he is a newborn slumbering...

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Because at the time of this CRT, 3.8 didn't exist yet so it wasn't spelled out to certain people that he did become an Aeon. Therefore, Conquest doesn't exist yet.

i was joking bru sunday upsclae

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I have to be Hoyo's Emanator after they made the mf an Aeon of 2 paths

 

[Le'garde273]

Ix being the conceptual end of reality lowkey pretty weird, cause elegy mention all aeons will meet their finality, including ix itself. Like how nothingness even have it's end to begin with

On other hand, zephyro description mention he going to wait at the end of all things to jump at ix divine corpus and kill ix at that moment.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Ix being the conceptual end of reality lowkey pretty weird, cause elegy mention all aeons will meet their finality, including ix itself. Like how nothingness even have it's end to begin with

On other hand, zephyro description mention he going to wait at the end of all things to jump at ix divine corpus and kill ix at that moment.

3.8 mentions it as "death" so its like end of all life in universe or something similar, not literal end of reality

 

[Voidnether]

Ix being the conceptual end of reality lowkey pretty weird, cause elegy mention all aeons will meet their finality, including ix itself. Like how nothingness even have it's end to begin with

On other hand, zephyro description mention he going to wait at the end of all things to jump at ix divine corpus and kill ix at that moment.

Explicitly though it was Horizon of Existence which houses one of the thousands of the manifestations of IX that's stated to be a conceptual end of reality, but the context is more of like that all lifeforms pulled into Horizon of Existence unless they have Resistance to it like Argenti back in the days before this was retconned to Firefly resisting it and obviously Aventurine & Trailblazer, they just die and became a Self-Annihilator. I think it depends on the potency, because again Zephyro is able to turn the Astral Express crew including the Trailblazer into Sin Thirsters when Trailblazer resisted the Horizon of Existence's effects that practically does the same thing

 

[Mbpoops]

What the hell are you talking about

 

[Voidnether]

What the hell are you talking about

Do you larp HSR or what

 

[Mbpoops]

Do you larp HSR or what

he was talking abt IX being the end of reality but then you started rambling abt some character resistances

 

[SuperNova55555]

What the hell are you talking about

Don’t mind him, he does this sometimes.

 

[Mbpoops]

Don’t mind him, he does this sometimes.

 

[Voidnether]

he was talking abt IX being the end of reality but then you started rambling abt some character resistances

Please read again, I didn't know your reading comprehension became this terrible when I stated that the conceptual end of reality there meant according to Nihility: Everyone is meant to turn into Self-Annihilators and then become the Sin Thirsters spread across the cosmos that's eventually IX's manifestations all over

I made it clear if you're not Firefly, Aventurine or Trailblazer then you would've died upon entering the Horizon of Existence, it's literally what @PedjaTarzan said above that comment. Plus we do know Zephyro is somehow more potent as he's able to turn Trailblazer who resisted HoE to become Sin Thirsters in the end, that's what the conceptual end of reality is

 

[Voidnether]

Don’t mind him, he does this sometimes.

I left for the forum for a few days and y'all reading comprehension gets worse, I feel like it's the side effects of being too active here ig

 

[Le'garde273]

3.8 mentions it as "death" so its like end of all life in universe or something similar, not literal end of reality

I guess this fair point, considering ix is one of four apocalypse aeons that will drive the universe to it's finality.

"All things will eventually return to nothingness" While finality serve as end also start of new cycle

Explicitly though it was Horizon of Existence which houses one of the thousands of the manifestations of IX that's stated to be a conceptual end of reality, but the context is more of like that all lifeforms pulled into Horizon of Existence unless they have Resistance to it like Argenti back in the days before this was retconned to Firefly resisting it and obviously Aventurine & Trailblazer, they just die and became a Self-Annihilator. I think it depends on the potency, because again Zephyro is able to turn the Astral Express crew including the Trailblazer into Sin Thirsters when Trailblazer resisted the Horizon of Existence's effects that practically does the same thing

 

[Voidnether]

I guess this fair point, considering ix is one of four apocalypse aeons that will drive the universe to it's finality.

"All things will eventually return to nothingness" While finality serve as end also start of new cycle

It's literally just 111 words it can't be that bad

 

[Mbpoops]

Please read again, I didn't know your reading comprehension became this terrible when I stated that the conceptual end of reality there meant according to Nihility: Everyone is meant to turn into Self-Annihilators and then become the Sin Thirsters spread across the cosmos that's eventually IX's manifestations all over

I made it clear if you're not Firefly, Aventurine or Trailblazer then you would've died upon entering the Horizon of Existence, it's literally what @PedjaTarzan said above that comment. Plus we do know Zephyro is somehow more potent as he's able to turn Trailblazer who resisted HoE to become Sin Thirsters in the end, that's what the conceptual end of reality is

You could have said this without saying “unless you’re X character(s) you’re gonna die” which i spiritually disagree with i REALLY dont like how all IX manifeststions are treated as THE IX and your entire argument makes me dislike that more because what do you mean EVERYONE DIES EXCEPT 3 CHARACTERS BECAUSE ACHERON WAS FEELING SILLY

 

[Voidnether]

You could have said this without saying “unless you’re X character(s) you’re gonna die” which i spiritually disagree with i REALLY dont like how all IX manifeststions are treated as THE IX and your entire argument makes me dislike that more because what do you mean EVERYONE DIES EXCEPT 3 CHARACTERS BECAUSE ACHERON WAS FEELING SILLY

Because there's no difference between a Shadow of IX (IX's manifestations) and IX itself, like they all share the same property PLUS WE ONLY GIVE RESISTANCE TO THOSE WHO ACTUALLY RESISTED BEING IN THE PRESENCE OF THEM and there's no way the actual IX won't have the same ability as the simulated IX on Simulated Universe

 

[Mbpoops]

Because there's no difference between a Shadow of IX (IX's manifestations) and IX itself, like they all share the same property PLUS WE ONLY GIVE RESISTANCE TO THOSE WHO ACTUALLY RESISTED BEING IN THE PRESENCE OF THEM

Yea only those mfs have it now but watch acheron become relevant again and more characters get this resistance, would that not ruin the narrative that IX is supposed to be death? Like looking at IX causes MM2/3 and everyone just starts resisting that too because acheron felt silly does this again not ruin the narrative??

 

[Voidnether]

Yea only those mfs have it now but watch acheron become relevant again and more characters get this resistance, would that not ruin the narrative that IX is supposed to be death? Like looking at IX causes MM2/3 and everyone just starts resisting that too because acheron felt silly does this again not ruin the narrative??

Dude what are you talking about, do you not know what happened to those Annihilation Gang mfs that tried to kill IX??? Being IN THEIR PRESENCE already causes that, the same way an Intellitron becomes mad upon seeing Nous

How tf are you arguing all of their shit isn't passive when being in their presence already causes all this shit

 

[Mbpoops]

Dude what are you talking about, do you not know what happened to those Annihilation Gang mfs that tried to kill IX??? Being IN THEIR PRESENCE already causes that, the same way an Intellitron becomes mad upon seeing Nous

Again does this not ruin the narrative??? Did the annohilation gang go to THE IX or just a manifestation?

 

[Voidnether]

Again does this not ruin the narrative??? Did the annohilation gang go to THE IX or just a manifestation?

I want you to genuinely READ ALL OF THE SCANS before replying, there are like 6 scans with the last one proving people's mind would break just being in their presence and MIND YOU this was Simulated Universe IX's FEAT

 

[Mbpoops]

I want you to genuinely READ ALL OF THE SCANS before replying, there are like 6 scans with the last one proving people's mind would break just being in their presence and MIND YOU this was Simulated Universe IX's FEAT

And the simulated universe simulated the aeon THEMSELVES not their manifestations? So again this would only apply to IX THEMSELVES and not a random shadow of IX i dont have an issue with most of IX’s shit since its pretty blatant i just dont like how it applies to his shadows

 

[Voidnether]

And the simulated universe simulated the aeon THEMSELVES not their manifestations? So again this would only apply to IX THEMSELVES and not a random shadow of IX i dont have an issue with most of IX’s shit since its pretty blatant i just dont like how it applies to his shadows

You think the Simulated Universe Aeons are the actual ones when it's just their manifestations?
Simulated Universe is literally meant to simulate the Aeons, does this mean the Aeons in the Simulated Universe are the actual ones when it's EXPLICITLY their manifestations? Literally "simulated Aeons"

 

[Voidnether]

I actually don't know how one could think that the Simulated Universe Aeons are the actual ones, we give Resistance to mfs being in the Horizon of Existence because functionally IX on Simulated Universe and the Shadow of IX are the same shit that are thousands of IX's manifestations. The actual IX is literally chainscaled OFF their MANIFESTATIONS / Avatar or whatever

 

[Voidnether]

Or you can do me a favor at this point and just give the actual IX acausality type 5 to differentiate it from the rest, just because no Aeons are capable of interacting with the actual IX