He wasn't stalemated by BKE Durandal though? Otto literally intervened before Kevin was able to get serious, but yeah while I don't believe Ryusuke is 1-C I have to admit your examples with chain scaling has some holes in it
As in, the only monsters that were said to swallow stars were the ones Dan heng oneshot in Himeko's story. The Giant True Sting in Argenti's quest wasn't said to do that afaik.
For accepted calcs, if it's standalone then it can be applied without a CRT.
As far as we saw, Durandal was portrayed as having stalemated Kevin via Rita's account claiming they appeared evenly matched. While we can infer Kevin was not yet serious, it's not confirmed nor is it supported by evidence.
I'll summarise speed later, but generally I feel it's... Not great?
It's doesn't really need scale from instantly one shot, as long he can harm even kill the sting it's should be scale. Also tbh, i am pretty sure this big sting bug ain't no way stronger than actual Skaracabaz the tazzyronth emanator.
I am about to probably leave forever, so I want to remove a burden that is annoying me. Stop acting like what you think is the absolute truth and the only real interpretation of anything.
Well, been nice knowing ya. Take care.
Ok let's do this:
Not really. You could argue it scales to her combat speed because of UES, but considering 4-A might get hammered, probably won't matter oof.
But niether of them could has shown hard scaling to Seele in speed afaik.
Well the problem is that in the Sub-Rel feat that we try to scale them too it wasn't just the bullet that got statued but also Bronya. Kinda hard to scale to someone that completely blitzed you
We don't deem Welt's black holes as legit apparently
I mean, in the story and lore Seele being hundreds/thousands of times faster than everyone else doesn't make sense, Seele was aware and not confident in dealing with Svarog alone and had the team up with other characters to beat him, and during the fights against Gepard, Human Cocolia's Echo and Stellaron Empowered Cocolia, the fate of her home planet the towns the she protects were at the stake since everyone would die in Jarilo-VI if Cocolia succeeded on her plan and she hasn't any reason to wait everyone else if she was that much faster than the enemies and if they were that much slower than her, she could pretty much blitzed them and use her speed on favor since the gap in power wasn't that big, and by what you guys are proposing, everyone else on the planet besides Seele are hundreds/thousands of times slower than her, which doesn't make sense considering what I said above
But we know she can blitz them because she literally does it to Bronya during the very feat you want to scale everyone to
I mean you could argue it could be an AP issue.
Not really, but then again, every cutscene tells us otherwise.
Otto's description of Welt's Black Hole clearly states that light cannot escape.
I wouldn't say Rita who at that point doesn't even scale to a nerfed Kiana who had partial control of her void powers from ch 14 is the most reliable way of interpreting Durandal being "evenly" matched with Kevin not to mention there is a way to support Kevin heavily holding back, Durandal struggles against a 1% chibi Kevin even assuming she had years to train and grow stronger this is relatively concrete as it was in her BKE key so it couldn't of been that long. Not to mention in the second key manga she's inferior to Su before getting Dea Anchora I don't think I need to explain any further but for those who haven't read the manga Kevin deals with Su extremely easily while Su has literal years worth of prep and multiple divine keys at his disposal, he does this in base and doesn't even use AHR he pretty much neg diffs him and in the end chooses to let himself be trapped in the SoQ because he realizes how messed up project stigma is and gives Su a chance so yeah not too sure about Durandal being evenly matched with Kevin.
Damn..... was nice knowing you man, albeit kinda short ngl tho true
The actual defeat of Ryusuke has never been part of my argument. IF Ryusuke were considered a valid HDE, then I would easily accept that Star of Eden has tier 1 hax. If you look back at my past arguments about Tier 1, I've never disputed the existence of smurf hax in Honkai, only the validity of the tiering itself on a case-by-case basis.
The main rationale of the new R>F standard was that ANY interaction between fictional entities and real entities should be impossible, and cannot be equated to dimensional superiority. No matter how many dimensions you put in between, the higher dimensional entity can never truly consider the lower entity as "fictional" in the actual sense of the word. That is why I believe that Ryusuke's statement was metaphorical. That's because IF Ryusuke's statement were literal, then Welt would never have been able to defeat him even if he became infinite-dimensional; because no amount of additional dimensions can turn a fictional entity into a real one.
And I never said otherwise. I've never asked for anything more or less than proper arguments to the contrary. When people provide scans and explain the thought process for their interpretation, I can agree. It's only when people don't want to bother explaining their points, or when their points don't hold up to scrutiny, that I disagree with them.
