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This CRT will cover additions, changes and removals of P&A and style on the Honkai energy page. The current page for reference:
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Due to this revision, the page will need a new layout, one part for the nature of energy, which will cover “nature” and a part to Honkai corruption, a part dedicated to the manipulation of Honkai energy covering active powers and the last one dedicated to Herrschers, covering an section for their physiology and one for their authorities.
Honkai Corruption
Honkai Energy Manipulation
For low-level:
For high-level:
Herrschers
Herrscher Authority
Nature
Potency/Range
Downgrades/Changes
Agree: VoidGoji, Woomica, Voidnether, ThanatosX, Enryu_The_Red_Tower, SODAKU, Qliphoth_Bacikal, GarrixianXD, VericulumVenatrix, Success0906,
Rakih_Elyan, DarkDragonMedeus
Neutral:
Disagree:
Honkai Energy
The Honkai is a cosmic force of nature that pervades the shared multiverse of Honkai Impact 3rd. Honkai Energy is the main byproduct of all manifestations of the Honkai across universes. Sufficient concentrations of Honkai Energy radiation can cause several adverse effects on all living beings...
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Due to this revision, the page will need a new layout, one part for the nature of energy, which will cover “nature” and a part to Honkai corruption, a part dedicated to the manipulation of Honkai energy covering active powers and the last one dedicated to Herrschers, covering an section for their physiology and one for their authorities.
Honkai Corruption
I will just copy-paste the new justifications for P&A already accepted in the page as these are more straightforward and don’t require deep explanation.
Corruption (Types 1 & 2): Honkai is a force of corruption, capable of corrupting humans and animals, even Valkyries, inherently resistant to Honkai Energy due to their stigmata, can succumb to its influences. The corruption can spread by touching weapons empowered with Honkai Energy, or through exposure and non-physical contact, the consequences of a successful infection are also diverse, ranging from victims transforming into partial or even a full Honkai Beast, creatures devoid of intelligence, driven solely by instinct to gather under the command of Herrschers. It can also induce zombification in individuals and, at its peak, transform then into Herrschers, being potent enough to impact even individuals like Kiana Kaslana, who through sheer willpower, mastered her Herrscher powers, powers that were effectively eroding her mind and even capable of possessing her, and yet, her supernatural willpower was useless against Honkai infections. Honkai also have a corrupting effect on entities devoid of biological bodies, such as mechs or even those lacking a tangible physical form, like the disembodied consciousness of the Herrscher of Sentience.
Energy Manipulation: Enough Honkai Energy can cause people to suffocate, be vaporized or even die on contact.
Biological and Disease Manipulation + adding Empathic Manipulation: Lower levels of Honkai infection can cause brain damage, and infected areas to be crippled, such as with Bronya's leg, which required an exoskeleton prosthetic to function after the X-10 experiment said infection was able to affect her emotions such as the removal of joy, sadness, emotive centers, and general emotions. Honkai also acts as a disease, capable of transmission through mere exposure, causing multiple organ failure, such as acute cardiac failure, and has a 100% mortality rate despite medical efforts.
Corrosion Inducement: Honkai is a phenomenon and condition that disintegrates and erodes the composition of all materials, being able to induce corrosion to objects and to structural integrity.
Perception Manipulation: Honkai infections cause major sensory loss, causing blurriness and compromising visual clarity. Tesla, after being infected by Honkai Energy, also began to hallucinate.
Corruption (Types 1 & 2): Honkai is a force of corruption, capable of corrupting humans and animals, even Valkyries, inherently resistant to Honkai Energy due to their stigmata, can succumb to its influences. The corruption can spread by touching weapons empowered with Honkai Energy, or through exposure and non-physical contact, the consequences of a successful infection are also diverse, ranging from victims transforming into partial or even a full Honkai Beast, creatures devoid of intelligence, driven solely by instinct to gather under the command of Herrschers. It can also induce zombification in individuals and, at its peak, transform then into Herrschers, being potent enough to impact even individuals like Kiana Kaslana, who through sheer willpower, mastered her Herrscher powers, powers that were effectively eroding her mind and even capable of possessing her, and yet, her supernatural willpower was useless against Honkai infections. Honkai also have a corrupting effect on entities devoid of biological bodies, such as mechs or even those lacking a tangible physical form, like the disembodied consciousness of the Herrscher of Sentience.
Energy Manipulation: Enough Honkai Energy can cause people to suffocate, be vaporized or even die on contact.
Biological and Disease Manipulation + adding Empathic Manipulation: Lower levels of Honkai infection can cause brain damage, and infected areas to be crippled, such as with Bronya's leg, which required an exoskeleton prosthetic to function after the X-10 experiment said infection was able to affect her emotions such as the removal of joy, sadness, emotive centers, and general emotions. Honkai also acts as a disease, capable of transmission through mere exposure, causing multiple organ failure, such as acute cardiac failure, and has a 100% mortality rate despite medical efforts.
Corrosion Inducement: Honkai is a phenomenon and condition that disintegrates and erodes the composition of all materials, being able to induce corrosion to objects and to structural integrity.
Perception Manipulation: Honkai infections cause major sensory loss, causing blurriness and compromising visual clarity. Tesla, after being infected by Honkai Energy, also began to hallucinate.
Honkai corruption/infection should get Mind and Madness manipulation due to the following: Honkai can control people, that sounds a bit vague but the context of this is the chapter 3 poem of the wind, and in that same chapter, we had more elaboration that this control is the corruption of the mind and ego of someone. There are various other scans supporting mindhax, such as more mental corruption, Honkai corruptions creating Herrscher persona/mind who fight for the body in a way that people have to actively resist mindhax, the last scan also implies it can make someone mindless. Honkai can also merge with consciousness. As for madness, Honkai energy can drive people crazy, making them fight each other, cause loss of sanity and sense of self, the madness hax should at least be mind based as breaking free from Honkai mind corruption is described as breaking free from imminent insanity. Though, the madness page also mentions that one can get it through biological means, such as affecting the brain, since Honkai energy also has feats for that as covered before in this thread, it can prob get type 1 as well.
Necromancy: Honkai corruption has the capability to revive corpses as zombies.
Limited Memory Manipulation: one of the scans we use for perception manipulation, also mentions Honkai causing memory deterioration.
Limited Pain Manipulation: Being injected with Honkai Energy induces pain and a burning sensation within the body.
Limited Age Manipulation: Honkai has a negative effect on lifespan, reducing it and leading to premature death.
Necromancy: Honkai corruption has the capability to revive corpses as zombies.
Limited Memory Manipulation: one of the scans we use for perception manipulation, also mentions Honkai causing memory deterioration.
Limited Pain Manipulation: Being injected with Honkai Energy induces pain and a burning sensation within the body.
Limited Age Manipulation: Honkai has a negative effect on lifespan, reducing it and leading to premature death.
Honkai Energy Manipulation
For low-level:
I know most of this is already accepted in the UES section of the page, but it doesn’t hurt to add a shorter description to the P&A.
Energy Absorption, Statistics Amplification & Damage Boost: Honkai Energy can be used and absorbed to strengthen and power the body, boost the user's speed, enhance weapons such as pistols, swords and armor, both passively, as with the natural enhancements received by Valkyries through stigmas, built into their very physiology and has been used since the Previous Era or MANTIS soldiers, as well as actively, such as with users of the Edge of Taixuan's Blade Mantra, in addition to the absorption of Honkai Energy, something that every Valkyrie can do, which is also able to strengthen the user, and absorb it from someone else to incapacitate them. More Honkai Energy also strengthens powers, Sirin was previously unable to send things to her dimension due to lack of energy, but after gaining more through absorbing the reactor and from extra cores, she was capable not only of sending, but also of creating her dimension once more. Similarly, the Gem of Serenity, fueled by additional Honkai Energy, was able to bypass Dr. Magi's enhanced resistances, and also enabled Seele to increase the level of her matter manipulation.
More Energy Manipulation: Honkai Energy empowers weapons that, if tainted enough, begin to radiate raw Honkai Energy, mechas, battlesuits and abilities. Basic manipulation allows the users to concentrate, restrict their energy to the smallest possible space, release powerful beams of Honkai Energy or transfer their energy, enabling someone to harness the donor's energy and experience the power flowing and resonating into them, empowering Kiana's Gungnir enough to seriously hurt a Joyce clone even though Gugnir couldn't do it before without the boost.
Life Manipulation: Honkai Energy can be used as feeding and was able to animate Fu Hua's sentience, which at the time was Fenghuang Down's feathers, acting as a core. Fu Hua could also absorb Hua's Honkai Energy to not vanish or die, and releases of Honkai Energy are capable of growing plants.
These last two are a bit weird, but basically Honkai energy can disable radars, satellites and sensors, which should be either limited Technology manipulation or powernull. However, Honkai energy will get limited powernull in any case due to it being able to undo seals that were effectively expelling anyone who tried to make contact with it.
About the layout, people with low-level honkai should only resist things caused by Honkai corruption and at most things of its nature. So, high-level honkai energy, SoQ and etc should be moved to the high-level. As for the low-level resistances already accepted, we know that stigmatas are created from Honkai antibodies, and they function by integrating the user's biology and physiology with Honkai Energy, those same Stigmatas are able to grant its users resistance to Honkai, allowing them to resist the standards effects of the Honkai.
Energy Absorption, Statistics Amplification & Damage Boost: Honkai Energy can be used and absorbed to strengthen and power the body, boost the user's speed, enhance weapons such as pistols, swords and armor, both passively, as with the natural enhancements received by Valkyries through stigmas, built into their very physiology and has been used since the Previous Era or MANTIS soldiers, as well as actively, such as with users of the Edge of Taixuan's Blade Mantra, in addition to the absorption of Honkai Energy, something that every Valkyrie can do, which is also able to strengthen the user, and absorb it from someone else to incapacitate them. More Honkai Energy also strengthens powers, Sirin was previously unable to send things to her dimension due to lack of energy, but after gaining more through absorbing the reactor and from extra cores, she was capable not only of sending, but also of creating her dimension once more. Similarly, the Gem of Serenity, fueled by additional Honkai Energy, was able to bypass Dr. Magi's enhanced resistances, and also enabled Seele to increase the level of her matter manipulation.
More Energy Manipulation: Honkai Energy empowers weapons that, if tainted enough, begin to radiate raw Honkai Energy, mechas, battlesuits and abilities. Basic manipulation allows the users to concentrate, restrict their energy to the smallest possible space, release powerful beams of Honkai Energy or transfer their energy, enabling someone to harness the donor's energy and experience the power flowing and resonating into them, empowering Kiana's Gungnir enough to seriously hurt a Joyce clone even though Gugnir couldn't do it before without the boost.
Life Manipulation: Honkai Energy can be used as feeding and was able to animate Fu Hua's sentience, which at the time was Fenghuang Down's feathers, acting as a core. Fu Hua could also absorb Hua's Honkai Energy to not vanish or die, and releases of Honkai Energy are capable of growing plants.
These last two are a bit weird, but basically Honkai energy can disable radars, satellites and sensors, which should be either limited Technology manipulation or powernull. However, Honkai energy will get limited powernull in any case due to it being able to undo seals that were effectively expelling anyone who tried to make contact with it.
About the layout, people with low-level honkai should only resist things caused by Honkai corruption and at most things of its nature. So, high-level honkai energy, SoQ and etc should be moved to the high-level. As for the low-level resistances already accepted, we know that stigmatas are created from Honkai antibodies, and they function by integrating the user's biology and physiology with Honkai Energy, those same Stigmatas are able to grant its users resistance to Honkai, allowing them to resist the standards effects of the Honkai.
For high-level:
New justification for RW, Space + some P&A additions to its justification → Reality Warping, Space-Time Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Law Manipulation & BFR: High concentrations of Honkai Energy cause curvatures in space-time, and it is also possible to distort the very space-time and warp targets to the Sea of Quanta. This distortion effect in the space-time caused by Honkai Energy is known as "Reality Distortion Field" as it influences and mutates all physical rules of space-time, causing all sorts of supernatural phenomena such as parallel worlds and time reversal.
New justification for → Sub-Atomic Manipulation, Transmutation, Quantum Manipulation: High-level manipulation of Honkai Energy enable the user to manipulate matter at a sub-atomic level, allowing them to change and manipulate the form of the matter, and also cause quantization to instantly collapse someone's physical integrity, effectively dematerializing the target, making them vanish into the unknown, loss and destabilization of their physical existence into a quantum form that exists as a pure consciousness, being neither alive nor dead.
New justification for → Dimensional Manipulation: Honkai energy can create anchors, which are special types of higher-dimensional structures. La Niña, through Honkai energy, was able to affect the Ether Anchor, the source of all dimensions in the Sea of Quanta, and would have destroyed it.
A justification for high-level Honkai people: People with innate resistance to Honkai energy such as natural stigma are closer in power to Herrschers, and have high level resistance to it. Stronger valkyries such as s-rankers also have innate resistance and powers comparable to Herrschers, and they have 100% compatibility with it.
New justification for → Sub-Atomic Manipulation, Transmutation, Quantum Manipulation: High-level manipulation of Honkai Energy enable the user to manipulate matter at a sub-atomic level, allowing them to change and manipulate the form of the matter, and also cause quantization to instantly collapse someone's physical integrity, effectively dematerializing the target, making them vanish into the unknown, loss and destabilization of their physical existence into a quantum form that exists as a pure consciousness, being neither alive nor dead.
New justification for → Dimensional Manipulation: Honkai energy can create anchors, which are special types of higher-dimensional structures. La Niña, through Honkai energy, was able to affect the Ether Anchor, the source of all dimensions in the Sea of Quanta, and would have destroyed it.
A justification for high-level Honkai people: People with innate resistance to Honkai energy such as natural stigma are closer in power to Herrschers, and have high level resistance to it. Stronger valkyries such as s-rankers also have innate resistance and powers comparable to Herrschers, and they have 100% compatibility with it.
Electro-Magnetism Manipulation: Honkai Energy can create electromagnetic fields to penetrate armor and pulses to cause abnormalities, leaving its victims' bodies unstable and susceptible to fainting.
Adding Gravity/Density Manipulation to Sea of Quanta’s resistances, basically gravity in the Sea of Quanta is highly disturbed causing objects to fly aimlessly in a way that makes things weightless. I should note that this is not simply increased gravity, it is more the place having messed gravity that makes things that enter in it fly/become weightless, though I don’t mind if this is deemed a LS feat.
Adding Gravity/Density Manipulation to Sea of Quanta’s resistances, basically gravity in the Sea of Quanta is highly disturbed causing objects to fly aimlessly in a way that makes things weightless. I should note that this is not simply increased gravity, it is more the place having messed gravity that makes things that enter in it fly/become weightless, though I don’t mind if this is deemed a LS feat.
Herrschers
Herrschers currently have immortality, but the reasons for this are pretty bad so I will explain a bit more. About Immortality type 1… we know that Herrschers can live for thousands of years, which is longevity, but since we also know that Herrschers are the ultimate manifestations of the Honkai, they should either scale or be superior to Honkai beasts/genes, which possess immortal bodies that do not grow past a specific age, given this is implied to be something gained through Honkai energy or less likely Elysia being born a Herrscher, it should be fine to scale, if not longevity we go. Immortality 3 and 4 should be straight up removed as this is something specific to the Core of Death, and should go its Herrscher/Core holder and shouldn’t scale to other Herrschers. Immortality 6 and 8 is fine to stay, but it should get a new justification:
Type 2: Herrschers can survive having their limbs severed without any lasting damage, and are capable of staying conscious after having their torso separated from their legs.
Type 6 & 7: Herrschers can transfer their consciousness to their Herrscher cores to stay alive without a host/body, and are able to possess those who touch the core. Since they are alive without a body and only as a mind/consciousness, this should qualify as undead by this.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Immortality#:~:text=keep existing as spiritual entities upon dying
As for Type 8, the latter two types are reliant on the Herrscher core; it is also a very common plot point that people have to either remove or destroy the cores in order to kill Herrschers.
The already accepted Abstract Existence of Herrschers should be changed to type 1, since more recent scans tell us that Herrschers are imaginary concepts, created through Imaginary energy as abstract concepts that rule over something. As an example, the Herrscher of Finality has authority over time and is not affected by it as a result. As for the concept, it should be type 1 as Imaginary concepts/energy were accepted as type 1 in this thread.
Herrschers don't need to eat and drink, and they can breathe, live and fly in outer space without any problems. So they should get the self-sustenance from high-honkai, from the scan and spaceflight together with their already accepted space survival.
Type 2: Herrschers can survive having their limbs severed without any lasting damage, and are capable of staying conscious after having their torso separated from their legs.
Type 6 & 7: Herrschers can transfer their consciousness to their Herrscher cores to stay alive without a host/body, and are able to possess those who touch the core. Since they are alive without a body and only as a mind/consciousness, this should qualify as undead by this.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Immortality#:~:text=keep existing as spiritual entities upon dying
As for Type 8, the latter two types are reliant on the Herrscher core; it is also a very common plot point that people have to either remove or destroy the cores in order to kill Herrschers.
The already accepted Abstract Existence of Herrschers should be changed to type 1, since more recent scans tell us that Herrschers are imaginary concepts, created through Imaginary energy as abstract concepts that rule over something. As an example, the Herrscher of Finality has authority over time and is not affected by it as a result. As for the concept, it should be type 1 as Imaginary concepts/energy were accepted as type 1 in this thread.
Herrschers don't need to eat and drink, and they can breathe, live and fly in outer space without any problems. So they should get the self-sustenance from high-honkai, from the scan and spaceflight together with their already accepted space survival.
Aura: Even while unconscious, Herrschers passively radiate enough Honkai Energy that the effects listed under Honkai corruption occur extremely quickly unless said Honkai Energy is controlled. For example, humans would quickly turn into zombies or disintegrate just by being near the 3rd Herrscher when she first awakened. Another thing to support this is the fact that 1000HW is enough for Honkai Energy to kill on contact, Herrschers are born with at least 1000HW and sometimes are even able to reach over 4000HW so yeah.
Limited Fusionism & Power Absorption: Herrschers can fuse together as one, and can consume each other's core to gain their powers.
Resistance to Mind Manipulation, Illusion Creation, Telepathy, Psychokinesis & Precognition: Non-human entities like Herrschers are able to resist regular psychic powers, with the latter's mental abilities being able to intrude and manipulate someone's mind, be it causing the target to use their own abilities against themselves by controlling their bodies, rendering them unconscious by using psychic interferences, creating illusions, or intruding minds by reading them. Additionally, psychic powers are also capable of psychokinesis and seeing directly into the future.
Resistance to Energy Absorption: Herrschers have an aura that prevents their energy from being absorbed.
Resistance to Poison Manipulation: Herrscher cores can neutralize poison and toxins.
Limited Fusionism & Power Absorption: Herrschers can fuse together as one, and can consume each other's core to gain their powers.
Resistance to Mind Manipulation, Illusion Creation, Telepathy, Psychokinesis & Precognition: Non-human entities like Herrschers are able to resist regular psychic powers, with the latter's mental abilities being able to intrude and manipulate someone's mind, be it causing the target to use their own abilities against themselves by controlling their bodies, rendering them unconscious by using psychic interferences, creating illusions, or intruding minds by reading them. Additionally, psychic powers are also capable of psychokinesis and seeing directly into the future.
Resistance to Energy Absorption: Herrschers have an aura that prevents their energy from being absorbed.
Resistance to Poison Manipulation: Herrscher cores can neutralize poison and toxins.
Herrscher Authority
New justification for Law Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Reality Warping & Subjective Reality: Herrschers' Honkai Energy comes from the realm of Imaginary Space, a meaningless place to common sense, capable of defying reality's laws and physical constants, causing impossible phenomena in reality be a commonplace in that realm, being directly tied to Honkai eruptions as these eruptions are caused by Honkai Energy leaking from the Imaginary Space into reality, events described as paranormal phenomena. It is also noted that the very nature of the Honkai in the Imaginary Space that causes the laws of the Real Space to fail, Herrschers not only create eruptions with just their births, but are automatically linked to Imaginary Space through their cores, allowing them to access, control and draw its Honkai Energy, It is also where their powers to defy the laws of physics come from, enabling them to break, bend, twist and change the laws of physics, logic and reality altogether as the laws of the universe serve them, imposing these non-existent phenomena and their authorities upon the world through their thoughts becoming reality.
Time to go into yapping, I will introduce what is an Imaginary singularity and which powers it will grant to Herrschers, and since it is a bit long, I will break the justification in parts:
P1: Imaginary Singularities are a fundamental attribute of Herrsches cores, we are also told this singularity is a mathematically impossible structure that can trigger all supernatural phenomena, this structure exists in all dimensions simultaneously as it is linked to the Imaginary Tree, furthermore these singularities are pending signs of dimensional bleeding, which continuously leak Honkai Energy even in dormancy thus corrupting the world into a multi-dimensional anomaly in its space-time, assimilating it into an Imaginary Space.
E1: So first part, triggering all kind of supernatural phenomena should be either reality warping or causality manipulation given that was the consensus in a Q&A before, the space-time stuff is obvious, and the dimensional stuff should just be dimensional manipulation as dimensions in Honkai Impact always refer only to actual dimensions, and never to other things. When characters talk about things like other realities they use terms like “Universes”, “Parallel Universes”, “Leafs”, “Worlds” or “Bubble Universe”. The imaginary singularity being mathematically impossible should probably qualify for some sort of mathematics manipulation.
P2: Coming back to singularities linked to the tree, these singularities can open a portal to the Imaginary Tree in which they can summon Imaginary constructs. So, summoning + portal creation/dimensional travel. Aside from the spatial hax already there, in part 2, we got to know that Herrschers can create spatial singularities to trap people in quantum wells, even those with the Genius, a device that allows someone to travel space-times, the Sea of Quanta, and even the Imaginary Space.
E2: I searched about quantum wells and they restrict movement to 2 dimensions, which seems accurate to the context of the scan. More quantum/dimensional hax, and given it could trap people with dimensional travel capabilities, it should also get sealing.
Resistance to Law Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Reality Warping: Herrschers and their powers are not governed by the laws of physics and reality, and they can resist the powers of other herrschers such as Sirin's Imaginary lance and spatial prisons.
Time to go into yapping, I will introduce what is an Imaginary singularity and which powers it will grant to Herrschers, and since it is a bit long, I will break the justification in parts:
P1: Imaginary Singularities are a fundamental attribute of Herrsches cores, we are also told this singularity is a mathematically impossible structure that can trigger all supernatural phenomena, this structure exists in all dimensions simultaneously as it is linked to the Imaginary Tree, furthermore these singularities are pending signs of dimensional bleeding, which continuously leak Honkai Energy even in dormancy thus corrupting the world into a multi-dimensional anomaly in its space-time, assimilating it into an Imaginary Space.
E1: So first part, triggering all kind of supernatural phenomena should be either reality warping or causality manipulation given that was the consensus in a Q&A before, the space-time stuff is obvious, and the dimensional stuff should just be dimensional manipulation as dimensions in Honkai Impact always refer only to actual dimensions, and never to other things. When characters talk about things like other realities they use terms like “Universes”, “Parallel Universes”, “Leafs”, “Worlds” or “Bubble Universe”. The imaginary singularity being mathematically impossible should probably qualify for some sort of mathematics manipulation.
P2: Coming back to singularities linked to the tree, these singularities can open a portal to the Imaginary Tree in which they can summon Imaginary constructs. So, summoning + portal creation/dimensional travel. Aside from the spatial hax already there, in part 2, we got to know that Herrschers can create spatial singularities to trap people in quantum wells, even those with the Genius, a device that allows someone to travel space-times, the Sea of Quanta, and even the Imaginary Space.
E2: I searched about quantum wells and they restrict movement to 2 dimensions, which seems accurate to the context of the scan. More quantum/dimensional hax, and given it could trap people with dimensional travel capabilities, it should also get sealing.
Resistance to Law Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Reality Warping: Herrschers and their powers are not governed by the laws of physics and reality, and they can resist the powers of other herrschers such as Sirin's Imaginary lance and spatial prisons.
Nature
Chaos Manipulation should be a solid rating, since Honkai energy is stated more than once to be able to manipulate entropy and chaotic/ordered information in systems, it is also implied that Honkai energy affects the stability of these “systems” since defeating the Honkai there causes them to stabilize, and as a really really minor support, Honkai is also directly stated to be a force of chaos.
Adding more justifications for Non-Physical Interaction: Honkai Energy can interact with Stigma spaces, with these spaces being the same as an Imaginary space, this is relevant as the latter has been accepted as NEP in this thread. So, an additional scan for interaction with Nep 1. Honkai can also affect the internal data of computers, which should qualify as a limited NPI in data. A weird thing is that the NPI justification currently accepted on the page mentions possibilities, concepts, information, emotions, memories, thoughts and incorporeality, but they are not listed as examples like the rest, so they should be included too
Adding more justifications for Non-Physical Interaction: Honkai Energy can interact with Stigma spaces, with these spaces being the same as an Imaginary space, this is relevant as the latter has been accepted as NEP in this thread. So, an additional scan for interaction with Nep 1. Honkai can also affect the internal data of computers, which should qualify as a limited NPI in data. A weird thing is that the NPI justification currently accepted on the page mentions possibilities, concepts, information, emotions, memories, thoughts and incorporeality, but they are not listed as examples like the rest, so they should be included too
Potency/Range
Honkai energy is a higher-dimensional energy in the Imaginary Space, and given that higher-dimensions and even its inhabitants have qualitative superiority, HE should be upgraded from “11-D” to “12-D, possibly Ω” as this is currently where the Imaginary space is accepted to be at. Another justification is that since Honkai energy is often said to be Imaginary energy, it can also scale to it as Imaginary energy was accepted on this scale here.
The range of Herrscher authorities should also be upgraded to there, as we have seen, the Imaginary singularity is a fundamental attribute of Herrscher cores in which it exists on all dimensions simultaneously, we also know that Herrscher cores are a constant in the Imaginary space, acting as a guiding star to higher-dimensions and allowing them to affect the Imaginary Space
The range of Herrscher authorities should also be upgraded to there, as we have seen, the Imaginary singularity is a fundamental attribute of Herrscher cores in which it exists on all dimensions simultaneously, we also know that Herrscher cores are a constant in the Imaginary space, acting as a guiding star to higher-dimensions and allowing them to affect the Imaginary Space
Downgrades/Changes
Power Absorption, while it's true that people can absorb Honkai energy, this is just energy absorption as there’s not enough context to make it power absorption. The resistance to it should also go away as there is not a single scan telling us that the Sea of Quanta drains people of their power and energy.
Summoning and Mind manipulation for Herrschers should only be Animal manipulation based on these scans.
Technology manipulation: The only Herrscher that was shown to control mechs is the Herrscher of Domination, but it was through body puppetry, so remove that.
Weather manipulation: this is something exclusive to elemental authorities, this shouldn't scale to every Herrscher.
Resistance to Corruption and Mind manipulation are already covered, so listing it again feels reductant. Also, the possession in this context is just corruption, so remove that.
Also, given our Imaginary energy page also gets chaos and dimensional manipulation from Honkai energy, these should also be updated if the changes are accepted.
Summoning and Mind manipulation for Herrschers should only be Animal manipulation based on these scans.
Technology manipulation: The only Herrscher that was shown to control mechs is the Herrscher of Domination, but it was through body puppetry, so remove that.
Weather manipulation: this is something exclusive to elemental authorities, this shouldn't scale to every Herrscher.
Resistance to Corruption and Mind manipulation are already covered, so listing it again feels reductant. Also, the possession in this context is just corruption, so remove that.
Also, given our Imaginary energy page also gets chaos and dimensional manipulation from Honkai energy, these should also be updated if the changes are accepted.
Agree: VoidGoji, Woomica, Voidnether, ThanatosX, Enryu_The_Red_Tower, SODAKU, Qliphoth_Bacikal, GarrixianXD, VericulumVenatrix, Success0906,
Rakih_Elyan, DarkDragonMedeus
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