Homura vs Vecna 2.0

[DMUA]

Homu upgrades

 

[Moritzva]

Bolas has a hard life.

We need to get Bolas some wins, people, c'mon!

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

He was beating the shit out of both Bill Cipher, Demiurge, and Cronus, but let's not derail.

 

[SomebodyData]

Not... Sure how that's relevant? These magical girls are part of Madoka, unless you mean as LoC assistants?

Even if we assume them as LoC assistants, again, 7-B Homura. @Zach

@Pixel okay, so the fra is Zach's reasoning correct?

 

[Moritzva]

Partially that and partially what I said.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

He was beating the shit out of both Bill Cipher, Demiurge, and Cronus, but let's not derail.

Then again almost everyone and their mother in 2-A beats the shit out of Bill.

Anyways Vecna FRA. Nothing else to really add here.

 

[SomebodyData]

Okay @Pixel, just so you know, she has Immortality type 5 and Rgeen Mid-Godly, so ap isn't that relevant

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Orcus with his 2-A boost can one shit mid godly regenerators, and this version of Vecna is >>> Orcus with his 2-A boost

 

[SomebodyData]

And immortality type 5? though you haven't responded to the fact that Homura's mind manip probably works

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Type 5 just means resistance to death manipulation which isn't really the factor here

The fact she has the mindhax of a 7-B with 2-A mindhax is nice and all, but Vecna resists LoP mindhax, which is >>> Orcus Mindhax >>> Asmodeus mindhax = Mindhaxing 2-A abstracts that resist mindhax = Homura

 

[Udlmaster]

Type 5 just means resistance to death manipulation which isn't really the factor here
The fact she has the mindhax of a 7-B with 2-A mindhax is nice and all, but Vecna resists LoP mindhax, which is >>> Orcus Mindhax >>> Asmodeus mindhax = Mindhaxing 2-A abstracts that resist mindhax = Homura

****, beat me to it, Zach.

But basically.


Demon Princes can Mind Hax infinite beings across the Multiverse.

The Lady of Pain >>>>>>>>> Orcus >>> Greater God >= Asmodeus >>> Intermidate Gods >>> Lesser Gods >= Top Tier Demon Princes >> Low Tier Demon Princes = Mind Haxing Infinite beings.

And Vecna was able to Resist the Lady of Pain's Mind Hax. Suffice to say, he has Mind Hax Resistance.

 

[FateAlbane]

Tell me if I missed someone because I'm not sure if DMUA and SD actually voted.

Homura:

Vecna: 3 (ZacharyGrossman273, ThePixelKirby, ShadowWarrior1999)

Inconclusive:

 

[Phoenix821]

Isn't there someone who can give Low 7-B's 2-A mindhax resistance?

 

[SomebodyData]

@Zach

Re-read what Immortality type 5 is, not sure where you got resistance to death manip lol.

So asmodeus mind haxed 2-As with 2-A mind manip resistance from what I understand? Like?

Also what's with the "mind manip of those within their own alignment"?

 

[Udlmaster]

Yes, Mystra can give people like Elm Mindhax resistance from Greater Gods in the form of the Magister.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

"Also what's with the "mind manip of those within their own alignment"

That's something Bambu put in, I think it's because Mindhax is extra effective in verse against those of the same alignment.

 

[Udlmaster]

@Zach
Also what's with the "mind manip of those within their own alignment"?

Basically, Alignment is their behavour, form Lawful Good to Chaotic Evil.

Said Gods an Mind hax people who share the same Alignment, so if they share Chaotic Evil as an Alignment, they can Mind hax them.

 

[SomebodyData]

Mindhaxing infinite beings across the multiverse is no where near the same as mind maniping a 4-D being (Unless it's like Madoka's heaven, where they all share consciousness?)

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

You mean like asmodeus memory wiping the other 2-A gods?

 

[Udlmaster]

I was more so setting the standard for their Mind Hax, and yes, they do constantly Mind hax 4-D beings.

 

[SomebodyData]

Yeah like that, it just destroys half of your train of scaling and makes the gap between homulily and akuma Homura even more relevant @Zach

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I was only pointing that out because of you saying a character has an infinite amount of consciousness in one

 

[SomebodyData]

Seems hardly comparable when said consciousnesses are are sharing that of Ultimate Madoka like I said.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Madoka has infinite 3-D minds forming one 2-A mind, yes?

 

[SomebodyData]

No?...

Even LoC Assistants Sayaka has cosmic awareness of the other timelines and can contain Ult. Madoka's memories. And this is just one of the girls.

 

[Lancer45Man]

Where do I read DnD lores and stuff???

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

So, infinite 4-D mind? That's a 2-A mind, like I said.

@Lancer

A lot of sources really. Even magazines contribute to the lore.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

They gave up fighting and made this.

I legitamately forgot that thread existed, and that I was a part of it.

 

[SomebodyData]

You said that the infinite 3-D beings = 1 2-A mind

I'm saying that one 3-D being has the ability to understand said 2-A mind and contain it's level of understanding/memories, just one is comparable to a 2-A mind basically.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

...Huh? What do you mean?

 

[Lancer45Man]

Link me them sources

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

...So, you are saying Madoko has an infinitely above baseline 2-A mind? I could easily be wrong about that, but that seems highly questionable.

@Lancer, I'll post them on your wall as to not derail

 

[SomebodyData]

I'm not going that far, I'm saying it's pretty apparent it isn't baseline at all. And said mind got mind haxed by Homulily, whose gap is definitely higher than anyone on that scale.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

IIRC, a large number of greater gods couldn't effect Orcus with any powers, including mindhax, but I don't remember the exact number of greater gods, since Azzy read the book where Orcus got a 2-A boost and I haven't.

 

[SomebodyData]

You could ask, specifically the mind hax part of it.

 

[Kaltias]

and uses Probability manipulation to get a natural 20 in kicking her teeth in.

I don't have the energy to analyze this match right now, but go ask Madoka how much having passive "lol I win" fate manip or how existing beyond causality/probability altogether helped her.

Vecna wins? Maybe, but that's far from being a factor against someone like Homura

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Azzy isn't online now. I'll ask him when he gets back online. Depending on good Orcus' resistance is (Since Vecna would have way better mindhax resistance) It's a large deciding factor in who stomps who in this match.

 

[Udlmaster]

IIRC, a large number of greater gods couldn't effect Orcus with any powers, including mindhax, but I don't remember the exact number of greater gods, since Azzy read the book where Orcus got a 2-A boost and I haven't.

I have read the Book, it's called "Dead Gods"

And it took all/most of the Greater Gods to come together to Nullify the Last Word, they couldn't hurt Orcus.

 

[SomebodyData]

Hold on, if it would result in a stomp either way, why is this open lmao @Zach

@Kal there you are, I was wondering why you ditched me in this thread ;-;

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Yeah, probability manipulation is not the deciding factor, at all. It's a matter of

If vecna resists Homu's mindhax, Homu gets he who was'd

If he doesen't, Homu wins by doing nothing.