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Hikone's speed crt (Bleach)

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In Cant Fear Your Own World 3, Hikone has this feat:
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Page 288:

“利那ー「それ」 を見た者は、 周囲の時が止まったのではないかと錯覚した。遥か天高くで更木剣八と斬り合いを続けていた筈の彦禰が、気付けば、アウラの背後に立っているではないか。如何なる歩法を用いたのか。速度だけではない。あの高みから一瞬でこちらに至る速度で落ちてきながら、砂挨一つ立てずにその場に下り立っている。重力や慣性の力すらをも霊圧と技術でねじ曲げたとでも言わんばかりの光景、その美しいとすら思える動きを前にして、殆どの者は即座に反応する事ができなかった。対応できた者は、ただ一人。欠片の躊躇いもなく、たとえ剣八との斬り合いの最中であろうとも、彦禰ならば即座にアウラを斬りに来るであろうと理解していた男ー檜佐木修兵だけが、アウラの背を護るかのように、彦禰の前に立ち塞がっていた。”

Translation:

  • At that instant to an observer at that point, it would appear as if they're under the illusion that the surrounding environment's time stopped. You may notice that Hikone, who should have been crossing swords in the distance with Kenpachi, was standing right behind Aura. What kind of movement did Hikone use? It can't just be speed. While arriving from that elevation at speed within an instant, Hikone was landing at that spot with raising a single piece of dust. Yet it is a spectacle that even the force of gravity and inertia are distorted by his reiatsu and technique, that most people aren't even able to react immediately in the face of that seemingly beautiful movement. Only one person was capable of reacting. There was no trace of hesitation, even in the middle of crossing blades with Kenpachi, only Hisagi understood that Hikone would go to attack Aura immediately, in order to protect Aura's rear, he stood in Hikone's way.
Translation from site translator here:


here is the official English:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/809876238437056532/833921850928267264/image0.jpg

In the world of special relativity, time appears to stop when an object moves at near light speeds. The reason it words it as “under the illusion” is because in Hikone’s reference frame (or the observer at that point) it would appear as time is stopped, but to everyone in the inertial rest frame time still proceeds; hence, it being an illusion. It’s even stated that Hikone’s movement distorts inertia, which would imply that Newtonian physics cannot be used to describe Hikone’s motion. Which would be consistent with the special relativity interpretation. Also, when it says “it can’t just be speed” that is contextually referring to how Hikone was able to move without making any indication that he had moved at all, as the next sentence goes on to explain; however, it is not saying that Hikone didn’t move this fast and such interpretations would be ignoring the context provided by the next sentence. In all likelihood the “it can’t just be speed” statement is in reference to Hikone combining Bringer Light and Shunpo (which bypass sensory techniques) with Shunpo and Hirenkyaku, as the first two movements explain why he’d be able to move undetected.

This feat is done by 100% Hikone amped by releasing Gentai.

This is consistent with a prior moment featuring hikone moving fast:
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“...周囲の動きを一瞬遅らせる。” ~ CFYOW III 150.

Translating to: “...the surrounding environment’s motion delayed for an instant.

The quote from page 150, right after Hikone uses Resurreccion and unleashes his Gentei Kaijo, further supports the special relativity interpretation, as the reason time appears to “stop” at near lightspeed is due to the object moving so fast in comparison to the surrounding environment that the surrounding environment might as well be motionless.

It should be noted that the author of these novels established relativity exists (meaning both general and special) in verse:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/809876238437056532/834111188123254829/unknown.png (official english)

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Further more the speed of light is established to exist in verse in the same novels, alongside evidence the writer is knowledgeable in Physics:
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It was stated that Ichigo, Aizen, and Kenpachi (These would refer to TS Ichigo, Muken Aizen, and CFYOW Kenpachi as those are the only versions known by Hisagi here) could comfortably deal with this Hikone.

Hisagi also mentions Urahara, Mayuri and ginjo would be able to fight hikone.
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(difference in scan here is because this is from the official translation as a pdf)

Shuhei himself also intercepted hikone when they were going at this speed:
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Tdlr:

Hikone when at full power can move so fast that gravity and inertia are distorted, alongside a time stop esqe effect akin to moving at high end relativistic speeds. in exacts number isn't stated, but this effect can happens at roughly 70% light speed, according to some articles.

Edit

The feat can also be flat light speed due to the time stop.

Ichigo, Aizen, and Kenpachi directly scale (Kenpaschi fought evenly with hikone in his base state). Mayuri, Urahara, and Ginjo scale per Hisagi's statement, and lastly Hisagi directly scales via intercepting Hikone while they were moving
 
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I agree with the feat, tho I have some small problems with the scaling of Mayuri and Urahara, as the narrator mentions they'll only match him in a fight that wasn't about strength, so I don't think they should scale. For Hisagi, IMO it seems like he anticipated Hikone going for Aura and already positioned himself there. Ginjo is a big ? to me because the narrator only mentions that he might have put on a decent fight.

Everything else seems good.
 
I don't think that statement supports Mayuri or Urahara scaling.

Ginji is also not solid.
 
im fine with it only being ichigo, aizen, and kenpachi if need be. that was going to be the original proposal anyway
 
It's hard to have a chance against someone that could blitz you . But i agree that the evidences are not strong to argue for mayuri and co to scale .
 
I moreso mean to use kido or tech, since they dont compare in strength. They would still have to tag hikone somehow
 
If they're able to fight him then yes, obviously they have to be able to keep up, all the statement says is they wouldn't be able to fight him in a contest of physical strength, which makes sense since neither fight that way anyway.
 
I agree with kisuke and mayuri scaling in speed, they don’t even use physical fighting the majority of the time so “If it wasn’t a match in physical strength” could just refer to that.
 
Ginjo would just be possibly since it’s a maybe.

Hisagi anticipated he would attack Aura. If you read the fight you’d see he was utterly helpless against Hikone if not for his immortality power.
 
Ah that's right , it's only a mention of physical strengh . This support that they would need to still keep up with Hikone to even stand a chance .
Hisagi clearly don't scale still. He get blitzed to all hell when he actually fight hikone .
 
shouldn't YH be in there considering he is on the same realm as ichigo aizen etc.?
Yes, Ichigo, Aizen and Kenpachi are only directly mentioned in the thread because they're directly stated to be capable of dealing with Hikone.

The same people that normally scale to them will still scale
 
It only says "might have". It's clearly not a strong statement.
 
Hmm, I can't remember, was that Kenpachi with or without the eyepatch that fought this Hikone?
 
Sees the Kanji for instant

First half was a similar one but not correct

Ah I knew there was something off when that request was sent in. If you guys are using text image rip, it’s not gonna be 100% correct with all the text if it doesn’t get it right or if it’s not clear enough.
 
Shikai Kenpachi WITH eye patch fought Hikone
No, he didn't actually have the Shikai activated, as Hikone was baiting him multiple times to activate Shikai but Kenpachi refused because it would have made the fight not fun (which is just LMAO if you think about it).
 
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