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As far as I understand, the narrative itself is a much higher and fundamental degree of existence than time within the setting
thats just acausality and mid-godly regen. Coming back from your action erased is not the same as conceptual erasure.To add to Ovy7's points ( he basically resumed what I think myself so I take him as a basis here):
I would say that "erasure from history" qualifying for High Godly would be if your very actions were also erased in the process. If you killed someone then this person never was dead to begin with since it never encountered you, if you made a team then this team never was made, your name never has been registered, etc...
Narrative is also treated as higher because of how it would work in itself (and how it is portrayed in general in fiction); you first have the "plot/narrative", then you insert concepts inside it, then characters and object with all the soul/mind/matter. History is just a part of the story same way.
I feel like this would actually be a great idea, although not everything which isn't physical should be treated as equal imo.And this is why a simple "regeneration out of nothing" with "levels of being" should be the best way to address not only high-godly, but "godly" regenerations as a whole.
Low-Godly: The ability to regenerate from the complete physical destruction of the user's body, instead restoring it from their disembodied consciousness, whether that be their soul, mind, some other nonphysical aspect of themself, esoteric or metaphysical energy, or something else. (No real changes from our already existing standard).
Mid-Godly: The ability to regenerate even after the complete destruction of the body and others aspects of one's existence (Such as the mind or soul), but not total destruction in every level of existence.
High-Godly: The ability to regenerate after erasure from all aspects of existence, a literal regeneration of nothing in relation to all the levels of existence.
In a way if we would consider the "concept" and "plot" as simply "higher levels of reality", then nothing really changed from this.
tl;dr If we start to be less specific and give more generic explanations, but full of information and examples, about planes of existence and not be working with the "names" themselves, none of this will be a problem anymore (At least, not in the level that we have so far).
Not really, since your concept never has been anywhere.thats just acausality and mid-godly regen. Coming back from your action erased is not the same as conceptual erasure.
its not conceptual erasure. It does not erases your concept just you at all point in time.Not really, since your concept never has been anywhere.
Like your "influence never happened anywhere on any level" and no concept can be linked to you.
Destroying all books doesn't remove the fact that someone wrote them or that someone learned something from them, which is the "actions/influence" I'm talking about. False equivalence here.its not conceptual erasure. It does not erases your concept just you at all point in time.
Destroying all books is not the same as erasing the concept of books
Did they all quit?Executor made some well-thought out suggestions, but that would be beyond the scope of this thread, as we have had so long discussions about the topic previously to determine our standards, and Assaltwaffle, Sera EX, Azathoth, Kepekley23, etcetera are not here to help us out any more.
its close enough. Erasing someone across time does not mean his concept has been erased it just him he is erased across time.Destroying all books doesn't remove the fact that someone wrote them or that someone learned something from them, which is the "actions/influence" I'm talking about. False equivalence here.
You repeated this without giving any further argument tho. Conceptual also is one way to get High Godly, not the only one.its close enough. Erasing someone across time does not mean his concept has been erased it just him he is erased across time.
time erasure does not erase someone across all level of existance which is the requirement for high-godly. Its just physical or spiritual erasure across time.Anyway i won`t be able to respond for a while exams are aproaching and i have tutions in the morningYou repeated this without giving any further argument tho. Conceptual also is one way to get High Godly, not the only one.
I feel like that would create inconsistencies and we cannot assume all plot to be the same.Narrative/plot is above history in many verses, particularly high-tiered ones, as they have layered cosmologies where being "above time" starts on a far lower level than being "above the plot". But I believe that many lower-tiered verses have narrative/plot stuff as essentially a meta way of describing history, such as Doki Doki Literature Club.
@Agnaa This is why i said thisActually what Ant said is true, souls can exist independent of the character's body. So it might easily even be low godly. So i propose a note like:
Regenerating back from erasure from history requires Low-Godly regeneration unless the level of the erasure is specified.
Just a reminder.Without very highly knowledgeable members available, we preferably shouldn't make any drastic overhauls, as it will most likely make things worse, not better.
I do agree with this.But my point's sorta been that that note could apply to more than just erasure from history. At the very least it could apply to erasure from the plot/narrative
Where does one get these expert opinions then and how long does one need to wait?I hold the same reservations as Ant. I don't want any large changes without expert opinion.
The thing is, these "experts" may or may not ever come back into our community. I'd be fine if it was just a "let's wait for them", but it's very likely that they just aren't coming back, which means if we hold on to that then no large changes shall ever happen to the wiki again.I hold the same reservations as Ant. I don't want any large changes without expert opinion.
This is kind of a problem. Those who regenerate from timeline erasure does not necessarily regenerate their history as well (unless you want to make that default assumption). At least, I don't know any verse that explain that. Most just comeback and that's it.you regenerate your history; or your past, present, and future.