High 8-C Tournament Match 6 (Crystal (Nuclear Throne) vs Renamon X)

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Crystal (Nuclear Throne) vs Renamon X

High 8-C versions

Speed Equal

Crystal's Damage Transfer & Radiation Weapons/Abilities are restricted

SBA Otherwise
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Votes

• Crystal:
• Renamon:

Hub, Tree

 

[Necromercer]

Hmm...I'd say renemon thanks to her hax.

 

[Moritzva]

Hmm...I'd say renemon thanks to her hax.

give

me

a

moment

 

[Moritzva]

So, Crystal is likely the worst possible opponent for Renamon to face.

Power Mimicry
I asked DragonMaster on the previous thread a few questions on this, one being adapting physiological traits. Namely, she can't. She'll be unable to adapt innate traits and abilities Crystal has because of her physiology... which is all of them. Her shielding, teleportation, Scary Face, all of them are Mutations, rather than anything Renamon could mimic. Hell, they are called Mutations.

Renamon can copy the projectiles, but Crystal is the best out of all Mutants at countering danmaku and bullethell exactly like she dishes out, with teleportation, shielding, and projectile destruction coming in swinging. Not to mention, several of the projectiles will be weaker, since Crystal's Mutations amp them.

So, Power Mimicry won't help Renamon much.

Illusions
Illusions making the battlefield a little weird is nothing to Crystal. She literally fights through entire arenas of ever-shifting battlefields, with portals tossing her in and out of new areas, with the environment blowing up all around her, be it dark, bright, indoors, a literal platform in the void surrounded by the corpses of your friends... Illusions might throw Crystal for a bit of a loop, but not that much.

Plus, massive AoE and The Smart Gun means that hiding in illusions won't work that well.

Speed and Mobility
Crystal has constant teleportation alongside danmaku to make it very difficult for Renamon to ever get close, alongside The Smart Gu to counter sneak attacks with illusions. Renamon will have an insanely difficult time charging through a solid wall of giant lasers and danmaku.

Range
Pretty decisively Crystal's game. Giant balls of lasers, bullethell, most of which is quite high above Renamon's Durability, will be raining on her from afar, and Renamon doesn't have any ranged attacks that really matter against Crystal's shielding and projectile destruction.

Overall, Crystal has massive range and mobility, and counters Renamon's best wincons handily, alongside hellish danmaku to top it off.

Did I miss anything?

 

[Moritzva]

(As a side note, Renamon can teleport so that can help? But she's less likely to spam it iirc while Crystal spams the **** out of it. As well, she has her own melee weapons. So, if she ever tries to teleport to Crystal, Crystal will just teleport away and fire back.)

(Also, clones get ******* obliterated by danmaku.)

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Crystal fra.

 

[Necromercer]

nvm. Rock boi fra

 

[Moritzva]

I'm going to wait for Dragon before voting, though I'm doubtful of Renamon winning regardless.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Give me one moment.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I think you completely misunderstood what I meant about physical traits. Her "mutations" would still be prime mimicry material seeing as she can still see a crystal barrier being created. Remember, I gave the example of Endeavor and Frog girl. I said Edeavors abilities and his flames would be easy pickings for Renamon to copy. However, Frog girl would be more complex due to her ability being a long tongue and frog based features. There would be no real ability to copy there. There is no attack or offensive or defensive abilility. Renamon can see this character create a crystal shield. And yes, she can copy the projectiles as well. Blood Weapons would also be fair game via their blood explosions.

Range is basically countered once Renamon copies her Danmaku and she can counter Crystal's projectiles with her own blood attacks.Renamon will use any means necessary. As of now Renamon has the AP advantage as well, so by nature the majority of her projectiles will be stronger. Not to mention her ability to turn herself invisible as well.

The advantage in mobility is really countered by teleportation as Renamon can also spam teleportation if she needs to. One of her main attacks is to teleport behind the opponent attack and teleport again. Seeing as she's going to be bombarded with projectiles, this is quite Renamon at melee range is stronger than Crystal. The Smart Gun is an issue however, I need more info on how this works. Also, a combination of Kohnekyo and her Poison Gas would also prove detrimental to Crystal seeing as it would constantly be killing her each time she performs an action. There is also Overwrite in which can boost the Digimon's stats in response to a need. While not perfect, it is in fact a factor here that should be somewhat considered.

This essentially become a war of attrition seeing as both fighters will be teleporting all around the battlefield and throwing projectiles at each other all day, trying to hit that speed spot.

So I wanted to clear that up. Am I saying that Renamon wins? Not really, I just wanted to note that this fight is not as cut and dry as people think and that Renamon doesn't just get stomped and in fact has a reasonable way to win. Honestly, I still see Crystal winning 5.5/10 due to her experience in these types of fights. But it isn't a stomp.

That is until the Power of Darkness gets revised and Renamon gets in character EE and gets disqualified

 

[Necromercer]

Hmm...Im gonna take my vote back for now. I'mma need to debate a bit more.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Hmm...Im gonna take my vote back for now. I'mma need to debate a bit more.

I said Crystal still wins though.

 

[Necromercer]

You may have, But I still have a few doubts.

 

[KGiffoni]

Crystal FRA

 

[Moritzva]

Crystal barrier is quite literally a bodily function, I'd probably need proof for it being copied. (And even then, Crystal will just toss all her weaponry that bypasses those shields, such as her Nuke Launcher, as a worst case scenario.) Copying projectiles is fair (Though copying explosions wouldn't help her much, since Blood Veins means Crystal won't take much damage from explosions, and she certainly can't mimic that, and many other techniques get reflected or destroyed).

As I said, Crystal is much, much better against her own danmaku than you'd think. Hell, she's better against danmaku better than her danmaku. A less skilled enemy trying to return the favor against her Euphoria senses + Laser Brain + various passive mutations more akin to Frog Girl, but with no visible effect, (All of Renamon's projectiles would move slower and be less powerful, alongside other minute effects).

Not to mention, Crystal's AP with her strongest weapons is actually equal/above Renamon, such as with The Nuke Launcher, or better yet, plasma.

Smart Gun doesn't do an absurd amount of damage compared to, say, The Nuke Launcher, but is ungodly accurate and automatically targets nearby enemies.

Poison Gas is... mildly dangerous, seeing as poison gas exists in Nuclear Throne and can hurt her despite being a walking crystal. But she can also swipe away that gas with melee weapons. So, dunno how that would to be honest.

Lastly, Stress. Let's say Renamon can copy shielding as a defensive measure, though that's the only Mutation that provides anything visual to copy, ignoring the guns themselves. Stress is a gamechanger: as Crystal gets more hurt, she'll begin amping her reaction and firing speeds, up to about x2. Once she gets here, Renamon will find it even harder than before to land a hit: even in melee, she'll respond with incredible speed with various melee weapons, and at a range, she'll overwhelm Renamon with an absurd number of projectiles that Renamon can't keep up with, alongside explosions she can't shield.

Overall, just making things clear here. I'll vote Crystal FRA- It is very far from a stomp, due to AP + Teleportation + loots of attack mimicry, though Crystal does have large advantages with her Stress, skill, experience, and knowledge of her own abilities, alongside other small passives (Scary Face, Laser Brain, Euphoria) that'll tilt it into her favor. I'd say around 6.5-7/10 times, Crystal would take it.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Stress kinda keeps it from being added seeing as we cannot add victories that have to do with the usually slower character being much faster than the usually faster character. (Usually Supersonic to Massively Hypersonic+)

Ii mean, I already gave the example of Digimon changing their textures in order to use attacks of other Digimon, plus looking at just the moves available in Re: Digitize there are machine based skills added in their (although finding animations are a bitch) so that shows she can copy bodily attacks from machine based skills.

Also, how strong are these explosions seeing as Renamon X is far stronger than base Renamon. I also don't know how plasma is gonna help make that much of a difference.

Regardless I still maintain my vote for Crystal as not in the mood to debate all the complex Digimon stuff today.

 

[Moritzva]

I believe that only applies to hard blitzes or wins only/primarily because of speed, not a single amp. (And Kveld keeps telling me that rule was hard deleted, though I doubt).

Iirc, Nuke Launcher is 4.06x10^10 Joules, while 7 Tons is just below 3x10^10.

Lots of the passives aren't attacks, so they'll be hard to copy.

I'll suppose I'll leave it at that, seeing as Dragon isn't in a great mood.

 

[ZackMoon1234]

Crystal FRA for now

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I'll suppose I'll leave it at that, seeing as Dragon isn't in a great mood.

Oh no, I'm not in a bad mood....Digimon mechanics just take a lot to explain as they are...very complicated....

 

[Moritzva]

Oh no, I'm not in a bad mood....Digimon mechanics just take a lot to explain as they are...very complicated....

So I've heard. (6-D Time, ahaha-)

Anyways, good to hear.

 

[Moritzva]

Crystal: 5 (Dragon, Moritzva, Risci, Zack, KGiff)

Renamon: 0

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Crystal FRA.

 

[DontTalkDT]

If nobody is going to argue for Renamon, I guess there is no point waiting here.

I say Crystal FRA. Next match soon.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Next Match.