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Considering the profile has a total of 8 abilities, only one of which being a resistance that knocks the user out if it's used.... I'm gonna go ahead and say noDoes Thor have a way to deal with Nagash's plethora of passives with an absurdly high range?
Unless the range is planetary the Almighty Thor spell deals with it.Does Thor have a way to deal with Nagash's plethora of passives with an absurdly high range?
Okay, genuine question since I don't know the answer. Nagash has passive power null, what happens if two passives basically go against each other like that?Unless the range is planetary the Almighty Thor spell deals with it.
What are the details on the passives anyway? The range feat linked on the profile is for an active feat. Does he have them always activated (or at least more than 50% of his lifetime)?
I highly doubt that his powernull can interact with non existent/abstract energy of his magic that is Aethyr. The range feat on his profile is for his shadow that inflicts his passives that can cover an entire countryUnless the range is planetary the Almighty Thor spell deals with it.
What are the details on the passives anyway? The range feat linked on the profile is for an active feat. Does he have them always activated (or at least more than 50% of his lifetime)?
And what do they do exactly? I don't just mean which abilities they are, but which specific effect is caused with those abilities.
Is it passive powernull that works over 4km range against magic that can move planets?Okay, genuine question since I don't know the answer. Nagash has passive power null, what happens if two passives basically go against each other like that?
Thor has no powernull... never said anything about Thor power nulling him.I highly doubt that his powernull can interact with non existent/abstract energy of his magic that is Aethyr.
The range feat on his profile is for his shadow that inflicts his passives that can cover an entire country
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How strong? What happens to those struck by his passive fear manip from several kilometers distance away?His passives inflict passive Fear Manip,
Thor won't ever be closer than like 2km, so probably doesn't matter then.Life Manip (this works pretty slowly unless you are close to him)
Define "think properly", please. Does it just disrupt concentration or something more severe?Mind hax (the pressure of his shadow makes it impossible to think properly)
Well then let's speculation remain speculation, I guess.He has passive frost hax (that is honestly potentially higher dimensional however thats speculative and it has a lower range then his shadow)
Alright, but that can be dodged by avoiding his gaze. Also is the freezing literal or metaphorical? "Freezing someones heart solid" sounds like a metaphor for making them cold hearted...but his presence/gaze freezes peoples hearts solid with the cold directly from the Grey Vaults of Morr that exist in the higher dimensional Realm of Chaos.
Could be dodged as long as the shadow doesn't cover the planet. A yeah for automatic pseudo-teleportation.If he wants too he can make his shadow inflict Death Hax as well however he generally doesn't do this unless he is in a hurry to finish things off.
What does conceptual powernull mean here? Power null that works on concept stuff or power null that works via concept manipulation? Huge difference.Passive conceptual powernull/energy absorption that works on type 2 NEP/AE via his crown as well
Yes, but the Almighty Thor spell makes that all of irrelevant, since he can't be hit by normal means.Also I could be wrong but does Thor only have High 8-C durability in this key?
Not sure if the quote shows that well, but ok.No he is literally freezing your heart solid with his stare.
His Mind manip just makes it really hard to concentrate in his presence
His Crown's powernull is like a barrier around him that absorbs the Aethyr of peoples abilities which is essentially the concept their ability represents so if your ability is fire based it is literally absorbing the possibility/concept of fire itself.
Interesting. But it only works on magic and has non-universal range, yes?To use magic in Warhammer is to manipulate Aethyr. Manipulating Aethyr is essentially just playing with unstable causality and inserting a concept into it to create whatever you want into existence. Nagash's helmet basically does the reverse, where he nullifies the concept of your attack, and then transforms it back into pure Aethyr to absorb.
Ah, so physical attacks like throwing a stone at him would work then, yes?Warhammer "magic" is what I mentioned to be just warping reality to create your attack, so ideally, basically any attack thrown at you gets nullified into Aethyr for him to absorb, this should ideally work with all supernatural attacks except close physical combat. Only about 1-3km range but still
Technically yes, though he can also just deflect physical attacks with magic and suchAh, so physical attacks like throwing a stone at him would work then, yes?
I mean, the distance between Thor and the planet is not really large when he is standing on the ground. Question is whether moving an object 3 meter away from you but 12000km in size is 3 meter range or 12000km range... tricky question, now that I think about it.Nagash can teleport long distances, and has strong precog to anticipate it, so he can still teleport out of the range of whatever happens. And I still don't get how Thor's range is indicated as 2km if his ability has this kind of planetary range.
And how does it negate them? I mean, does it just dissolve the things? Are you indicating it would dissolve the planet? I doubt that. I mean, if it would just dissolve normal matter everything around would be constantly erased. Keep in mind that Thor doesn't have to directly influence things in his powernulls range. Moving the planet to push against the ground below Nagash's feet, to in turn push against Nagash would suffice.Plus I don't think Soma's explanation is likely accurate because Nagash's own Crown of Sorcery does actually nullify incoming totally normal projectiles that are only launched with the aid of magic rather than just totally magic things, this ranges from paltry things like icicles to giant meteors.
Well, he would get stuck in the 3km ground, but the planet would destroy or push the ground against Nagash.What's more likely to happen is that the planet moves and Nagash gets stuck in the 3km chunk he's standing in because any incoming projectiles lose their energy when entering his vicinity. Assuming the above did happen though, Nagash could foresee it happen and just open a portal to the Realm of Chaos and chill there before coming back stealthily to take down Thor. In truth, he could also just summon intangible ghosts to chase down Thor while he sat back somewhere safe.
The planet moving faster than his reactions, as it moves so fast that even for Thor (who speed is equalized to) it looks like teleportation.I mean, what stops him from just teleporting 3kms into the sky to avoid such a thing, and even if he's on the ground and this comes to pass, he can just dump Dhar into anything coming near him to break it down into aethyr, effectively EE'ing anything coming near his powernull bubble, which again, he'd know to do immediately via his use of witchsight and precog, meanwhile he'd be safe to begin a planetary ritual of his own, when he was dozens of times weaker, it would have only taken him a day and in this state he was already strong enough to enact a ritual that affected the vortex from 7000km away in a few minutes at most, he'd reach planetary pretty damn quickly while his shields, powernull, and other countermeasures protect him.
*Planet being yeeted at him faster than he can react the instant the battle begins.Plus Nagash could just dodge the planet being yeeted at him by pissing off into the RoC for a bit.
Nagash has Massively Hypersonic reactions, I'm afraid your favorite planet will need to be moving over 100x the equalized speed to have a prayer of hitting Nagash. Speed equal rules son.The planet moving faster than his reactions, as it moves so fast that even for Thor (who speed is equalized to) it looks like teleportation.
He has no time to pull any of this even if it would work (and teleporting really wouldn't cause... planet is big)
*Planet being yeeted at him faster than he can react the instant the battle begins.
He wouldn't need to aim with his planetary ritual as it literally kills all life on the planet and ressurects it as an undead under his control, all he has to do is simply wait and build up the power which in this regard wouldn't be that long in the grand scheme of this fight."The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc." ~ Versus Thread Rules
This also means Nagash would have issues hitting Thor with anything that isn't a Hitscan or a passive. But Nagash can indeed GTFO with time to spare.
Also Thor is missing shit if he can throw planets at people.
Which is hitscan lolHe wouldn't need to aim with his planetary ritual as it literally kills all life on the planet and ressurects it as an undead under his control, all he has to do is simply wait and build up the power which in this regard wouldn't be that long in the grand scheme of this fight.
Thor has Peak human combat speed, which is what would be equalized to, and the planet moves at least with at least Sub-Relativistic+ Speed and it is stated to in practice be so fast that is basically teleportation... and that is relative to Thor who likewise has Massively Hypersonic reactions.Nagash has Massively Hypersonic reactions, I'm afraid your favorite planet will need to be moving over 100x the equalized speed to have a prayer of hitting Nagash. Speed equal rules son.
I mean, if you red the Notable A/T section you will find an entiry called "Almighty Thor" which states everything I claim. Let me say again, that he can't usually throw planets at people, though. That only happens in this case, because Nagash's power null prevents him from being moved by the spell.Also Thor is missing shit if he can throw planets at people.
Thor has Peak human combat speed, which is what would be equalized to, and the planet moves at least with at least Sub-Relativistic+ Speed and it is stated to in practice be so fast that is basically teleportation... and that is relative to Thor who likewise has Massively Hypersonic reactions.
I don't know where you get the 100x the equalized speed from, but... yeah, it is that fast.
I mean, if you red the Notable A/T section you will find an entiry called "Almighty Thor" which states everything I claim. Let me say again, that he can't usually throw planets at people, though. That only happens in this case, because Nagash's power null prevents him from being moved by the spell.
Mmmmmmm... Also Thor should just have Massively Hypersonic Combat speed anyway if he's scaling to Silvia in that mannercalc that ain't accepted nor is the speed on the profile
Nah, he shouldn't. He could only move that fast by launching himself around with bursts, not by actually running that fast or anything.Mmmmmmm... Also Thor should just have Massively Hypersonic Combat speed anyway if he's scaling to Silvia in that manner
Almighty Thor is a passive spell. It takes effect before Nagash does anything.Also what stops Nagash from hijacking the spell Thor is using and using the planet on him? That is something every magic caster in fantasy does, and Thor doesn't have the reactions to realize that Nagash isn't getting plopped in front of him before Nagash has made a thought and hijacked the spell or just null it, something deeply in-character for him to do, since Thor only has 2 KM of range.
Combat speeds are basically that, short burst up close movementNah, he shouldn't. He could only move that fast by launching himself around with bursts, not by actually running that fast or anything.
Regarding the calc not being accepted... yeah, I never felt the need to enter it. The fact that it is so fast that it is practically teleportation to a character with Massively Hypersonic reactions stands regardless, which is more than enough to blitz, no matter how you equalize speed.
Almighty Thor is a passive spell. It hits before Nagash does anything.
Assuming that over 4km starting distance Nagash could even hijack a spell powerful enough to throw a planet around at massive speeds. He has neither the power nor AoE to do that from what I see.
I mean, if we are talking things accepted on the profile, combat speed is not accepted on the profile . The burst speed is via a specific technique at that, so I really don't think it can be called combat speed.Combat speeds are basically that, short burst up close movement
Its better to have it be accepted to put a speed on the file
No he doesn't. The technique automatically moves the world in the fashion that is optimal for Thor to win against his targets.He has to actively yeet the planet like that does he not? Gives Nagash more then enough time to hijack/null the spell or **** off into the RoC
Thanks for the clarification.I mean, if we are talking things accepted on the profile, combat speed is not accepted on the profile either. The burst speed is via a specific technique at that, so I really don't think it can be called combat speed.
No he doesn't. The technique automatically moves the world in the fashion that is optimal for Thor to win against his targets.
As I said plenty of times in this thread, usually the spell is non-damaging because it moves the entire world and everything on it equally. It is only because Nagash resists being moved by magic that the spell can have a damaging effect here.Thanks for the clarification.
Then I ask when Almighty Thor has ever actually swung the planet at an Individual. This is also assuming Nagash doesn't just eat the spell due to it effecting the entire planet Nagash is on
It will take longer than the time Thor needs to hit him with a planet.Witchsight/Rituals should be very useful here. It will not take a lot/long amount of prep for Nagash to develop a ritual with planetary range that inflicts death to Thor specifically.
The spell from Thor effects the ground he's on, yes? It's in a bit of the area Nagash effects with his nomYou guys are both missing the part about that not being a thing, I've already clarified that wouldn't happen anymore due to him not actually nulling that far, it's based around his body and wouldn't even affect the ground below him as he floats a couple feet off the ground, at most Nagash would be aware that it isn't conventional teleportation but that's about it
I mean his powernull would be based around his body and due to him floating high enough it wouldnt affect the groundThe spell from Thor effects the ground he's on, yes? It's in a bit of the area Nagash effects with his nom
One passive moves the planet at calculable speeds, the other passive... doesn't have a speedI mean his powernull would be based around his body and due to him floating high enough it wouldnt affect the ground