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High 6-C MCU

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Hellbeast said:
I'd suggest that Tony should backscale tbh, he's able to harm Thanos but it takes absolutely everything he has to even draw blood with Thanos eventually ripping apart the armour without much issue. So Large Island - Large Island+ but I think we shouldn't put them in the same weight class as the Mad Titan if that makes sense. Mark L Iron Man in Endgame should scale tho
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Agreed, but going from what you said about Mark 50 Iron Man backscaling, he would be "At most Country level", not Large Island level or Large Island level+

At most​

Should be used to denote the higher cap of a character, if the exact value is indeterminate.
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MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
Agreed, but going from what you said about Mark 50 Iron Man backscaling, he would be "At most Country level", not Large Island level or Large Island level+
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I mean isn't the country stuff based off the What If scaling? If that is the case then we should be very careful there. But if so, I think Large Island, At Most Country would work for them
Sir_Marvulous said:
Pretty sure this is the unspoken consensus cuz Strange got 9-A+ and the protection spell from What If
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Frankly the 9-A+ is kinda unnecessary since we have 8-C scaling from the Goblin Bombs (which I have to say I hate but that's just me)
 
Hellbeast said:
I mean isn't the country stuff based off the What If scaling? If that is the case then we should be very careful there. But if so, I think Large Island, At Most Country would work for them

Frankly the 9-A+ is kinda unnecessary since we have 8-C scaling from the Goblin Bombs (which I have to say I hate but that's just me)
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Post-Blip Strange is 8-C. Sorcerer Supreme Strange scales to 9-A+
 
Hellbeast said:
I mean isn't the country stuff based off the What If scaling? If that is the case then we should be very careful there. But if so, I think Large Island, At Most Country would work for them
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Eh just "At most Country level" is fine. That's too long and unnecessary.

But then again. Surtur was killed by 2 Teratons. The CM feat is 4 teratons
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
But then again. Surtur was killed by 2 Teratons. The CM feat is 4 teratons
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CM's feat is actually 17 teratons, and Asgard's size is to be recalced, plus:
SheevShezarrine said:
Iirc someone earlier said that the attack killed Surtur cuz his destiny and therefore life was tied to fulfilling Ragnarok and destroying Asgard. I don't remember that, could someone explain?
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MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
It was something along these lines
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Hellbeast said:
It's also worth noting Love and Thunder Thor is the strongest MCU version we've seen yet and may be > Surtur going by leaked dialogue so he shouldn't be taken as a counter to the Surtur feat
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Give me the leaked dialogue.
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Sir_Marvulous said:
I still don't agree with it being used as a cap without confirmed in universe sizes because all the different calcs of the explosion used different sizes leading me to believe there's no consistent size
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True but until we get a stated size as to Asgard's proportions it's really the best we can do
Sir_Marvulous said:
Give me the leaked dialogue.
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SMH was in this thread I believe
MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
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I'm saying the "prophecy" statement kinda needlessly convolutes the feat. The simplest interpretation is we know Surtur would die destroying Asgard and the last we see him is in this massive explosion feat which we know outright killed Hela (one of the strongest characters at that point). Thus, the simplest take is not just that he spontaneously died via prophetic mechanics, but was killed performing this feat which also gives us a cap for the verse at this point
 
Hellbeast said:
saying the "prophecy" statement kinda needlessly convolutes the feat. The simplest interpretation is we know Surtur would die destroying Asgard and the last we see him is in this massive explosion feat which we know outright killed Hela (one of the strongest characters at that point). Thus, the simplest take is not just that he spontaneously died via prophetic mechanics, but was killed performing this feat which also gives us a cap for the verse at this point
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This. It's not that complex guys
 
Hell you could go further, notice how Hela actually somewhat harms Surtur with her Necroblades and the fact we know both somewhat scale to Odin at his prime. I'm not saying Hela is > Surtur but it's clear Surtur isn't just hundreds or even dozens of times stronger then she is (especially when she's amped by Asgard). And he'd need to be far above Hela to endure this blast that we know oneshot her, it's twisting the context to argue it isn't a cap
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Yeah but who the **** else is gonna scale to that barring the movie's top tier characters? The pre movie statements so far lead us to believe no one at all from the past is gonna scale
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I mean, when the next Avengers movie eventually rolls around, you know that all the top tier are either going to be somewhat comparable to each other, or somewhat scaling to whoever the next big bad is, who should logically pose a threat to all of them.
 
Hellbeast said:
I'm saying the "prophecy" statement kinda needlessly convolutes the feat. The simplest interpretation is we know Surtur would die destroying Asgard and the last we see him is in this massive explosion feat which we know outright killed Hela (one of the strongest characters at that point). Thus, the simplest take is not just that he spontaneously died via prophetic mechanics, but was killed performing this feat which also gives us a cap for the verse at this point
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I guess that’s fair, but even if we use it as a cap, the size of Asgard and the explosion stuff still needs to be recalced
 
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