High 1-B question

[XXKINGXX69]

Its low 1-A, swerzye is wrong like always

 

[Swerzye29038]

Its low 1-A, swerzye is wrong like always

viewing a high 1-b structure as fiction is just a layer higher into high 1-b without further context, this was literally confirmed by moderators in this thread.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

viewing a high 1-b structure as fiction is just a layer higher into high 1-b without further context, this was literally confirmed by moderators in this thread.

"It was literally confirmed by unreliable people"

Also,

Alternatively, this tier can also be assigned to characters who transcend High 1-B structures when no further context regarding the nature of such transcendence is given.

So it still counts

 

[Guardian_Doge]

"It was literally confirmed by unreliable people"

And yet, you continue to not cover the unreliability of the situation!!
Look, sometimes, the mods do have troubling, and semi-incomplete reasoning when replying. But virtually everyone here, can confirm you don't contribute any form of better reliability.

Also also,

Alternatively, this tier can also be assigned to characters who transcend High 1-B structures when no further context regarding the nature of such transcendence is given.

So it still counts

It's context dependent, neither of you are wrong. It's just case by case. I swear, the lack of consensus some of you have.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

And yet, you continue to not cover the unreliability of the situation!!
Look, sometimes, the mods do have troubling, and semi-incomplete reasoning when replying. But virtually everyone here, can confirm you don't contribute any form of better reliability.

"But virtually every other unreliable person-"

It's context dependent, neither of you are wrong. It's just case by case. I swear, the lack of consensus some of you have.

Ok, explain what cases

 

[Guardian_Doge]

"But virtually every other unreliable person-"

You love to mock others. Why?

Ok, explain what cases

????
What do you mean "what cases". Do you want me to make a hypothetical cosmology? Sure. Let's say you see an infinite number of higher dimensions, as fiction. How do you quantify the given infinite set? Of course, we're already assuming it's High 1-B, so when does adding one layer make it higher than High 1-B? When you're shown to exist in a world outside the given system or, for example, being the "background" of the entire structure.

 

[Swerzye29038]

"It was literally confirmed by unreliable people"

Unreliable how? Moderators manage the scaling on this site. I'm confused as to how your opinion is the be believed over them?

Also,



So it still counts

A Low 1-A rating would be given depending on the context of the transcendence, like I already said. You also apparently can't read:

Alternatively, this tier CAN also be assigned to characters who transcend High 1-B structures when no further context regarding the nature of such transcendence is given.

it does not say that a character will always be assigned this tier. Here's can example to make this easier:

Lets say a character views an infinite hierarchy of layers of reality (where the higher realm views the lower one as fictitious) as fiction. In this case, he'd only be a higher layer into High 1-B. He is still apart of the hierarchy in question, unless extra context proves he isn't.

Now lets say a character views an infinite hierarchy of dimensional levels (where each reality is just an infinitely smaller, lower dimensional subset in a higher dimension) as fiction. In this case, Low 1-A would probably make more sense, since the character in this example is outside of the hierarchy. This isn't really controversial

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Lets say a character views an infinite hierarchy of layers of reality (where the higher realm views the lower one as fictitious) as fiction. In this case, he'd only be a higher layer into High 1-B. He is still apart of the hierarchy in question, unless extra context proves he isn't.

Now lets say a character views an infinite hierarchy of dimensional levels (where each reality is just an infinitely smaller, lower dimensional subset in a higher dimension) as fiction. In this case, Low 1-A would probably make more sense, since the character in this example is outside of the hierarchy. This isn't really controversial

Scans?

 

[Swerzye29038]

Scans?

what?

 

[AKUTO123]

What is meant by seeing it as fiction is important here. to see it as fiction in one series = to transcend it infinitely; to see it as fiction in another series, it can still see all branches of what it sees as fiction, all branches within reach and beyond, as a fiction in the full sense. If it is the 1st, the character will be High 1B. I think that's what people mean when they say context is important.

 

[AKUTO123]

In the second case, the character in question can receive low 1A or even 1A.

 

[Jibz]

Like every other thread KING interacts with, it devolves into pandemonium. He truly is chaos incarnate.

 

[Qawsedf234]

What is meant by seeing it as fiction is important here. to see it as fiction in one series = to transcend it infinitely; to see it as fiction in another series, it can still see all branches of what it sees as fiction, all branches within reach and beyond, as a fiction in the full sense. If it is the 1st, the character will be High 1B. I think that's what people mean when they say context is important.
You're taking reality-fiction interaction and running with it. Viewing something as fictional does not automatically mean that the person is infinitely above it or can freely change it in every aspect. Its only when they demonstrate that level of transcendence that the upscaling can apply.

this was literally confirmed by moderators in this thread.

I don't really want to be the guy, but I'm the only moderator on this thread and I never said that. I did say the following:

Is viewing a high 1-B structure as fictional low 1-A or 1-A?

In simple terms

• Low 1-A: Being beyond a High 1-B person/structure in a provable way, but the degree of being beyond is not transcendent or provably so
• 1-A: Being beyond a High 1-B system in the same way a High 1-B is beyond a 11-C. Its not being just higher than the structure, it being beyond it to the point where you can't compare them.

Viewing as fictional wouldn't be 1-A in of itself, but usually those things come with a clear explanation that the fiction thing means they can freely change the structure and are beyond it in every capacity.

I never said it wasn't Low 1-A, just that you couldn't call it 1-A without proof of that level of hard transcendence. Being effortlessly above a High 1-B structure is generally Low 1-A.

 

[AKUTO123]

What is meant by seeing it as fiction is important here. to see it as fiction in one series = to transcend it infinitely; to see it as fiction in another series, it can still see all branches of what it sees as fiction, all branches within reach and beyond, as a fiction in the full sense. If it is the 1st, the character will be High 1B. I think that's what people mean when they say context is important.
You're taking reality-fiction interaction and running with it. Viewing something as fictional does not automatically mean that the person is infinitely above it or can freely change it in every aspect. Its only when they demonstrate that level of transcendence that the upscaling can apply.

yes, I said it could still be High 1B or low 1A depending on the context. I didn't say it gives a low 1A for sure, I just said it depends on how the context and the series take it?

 

[AKUTO123]

I mean people in the i/o revision thread said that perceiving high 1-B as fiction is 1-A

I/O'daki kurgu, gerçeklik farkı anlatısından kaynaklanıyor ve ek bağlamlar vardı. düşük 1A diyen sayısı daha çoktu

 

[Swerzye29038]

I don't really want to be the guy, but I'm the only moderator on this thread and I never said that. I did say the following:

I never said it wasn't Low 1-A, just that you couldn't call it 1-A without proof of that level of hard transcendence. Being effortlessly above a High 1-B structure is generally Low 1-A.

You should probably actually read what I said before responding to me

viewing a high 1-b structure as fiction is just a layer higher into high 1-b without further context, this was literally confirmed by moderators in this thread.

 

[Delta333]

I/O'daki kurgu, gerçeklik farkı anlatısından kaynaklanıyor ve ek bağlamlar vardı. düşük 1A diyen sayısı daha çoktu

wtf

Also anything that I said here is lame and outdated because someone necro'ed this old thread so if you can plz don't quote me

 

[Qawsedf234]

You should probably actually read what I said before responding to me

I did, which is why I mentioned I was the only mod in this thread and I didn't say that.

 

[Swerzye29038]

I did, which is why I mentioned I was the only mod in this thread and I didn't say that.

so once again you agree with me. It isn't low 1-A without any further context

I said:

viewing a high 1-b structure as fiction is just a layer higher into high 1-b without further context, this was literally confirmed by moderators in this thread.

and you said:

I never said it wasn't Low 1-A, just that you couldn't call it 1-A without proof of that level of hard transcendence. Being effortlessly above a High 1-B structure is generally Low 1-A.

We clearly agree with each other here, so my point stands. You either didn't comprehend what I was saying or you didn't actually read my original response

 

[Qawsedf234]

We clearly agree with each other here, so my point stands. You either didn't comprehend what I was saying

I think I was just thrown off by higher layer of High 1-B more than anything.

 

[QuasiYuri]

Depends on context tbh.

 

[Lormac_CC]

1-A, I haven't seen any verse rated low 1-A for it

 

[Cat275]

Since someone bumped the thread i might as well correct some things

A High 1-B is an infinite Dimensional object, or something that contains all real numbers within it.

It would be L1-A if it is all real number amount of dimensions so you probably mean natural numbers.

Low 1-A refers to Aleph-0, a cardinal thst contains an uncountable infinity.

Aleph 0 contains countable.

1-A refers to an Aleph-1, which is another uncountable infinity above Aleph 0.

Aleph 1 is uncountable.

So to get 1-A you would need to mathematically prove its equitable to an Aleph-1 or conceptually superior to a structure in the same degree than an Aleph is from a lower Aleph.

Aleph 2 you mean.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Aleph 2 you mean.

Yeah.