Hetalia Character Durability

[Pepper14832]

I will keep this as simple as possible. I believe due to their unique form of immortality, their durability can be upgraded up to Country level.

If we put Hetalia characters against anyone that's AP is not above 6-B''', I simply do not see them winning in a death battle. It doesn't make sense for them to have Type 8 Immortality due to the existence of their country but only have Wall Level Durability because of shown feats. Because in a VS battle thread their Type 8 Immortality would be a problem to challengers. And unless they have 6'-B AP to destroy the country to mitigate their Type 8 Immortality, I don't see the nations dying "for good." I mean, their classifications are country for a reason, they ARE countries.

If this is accepted then we must question the AP of the nations as well. As France admits to killing Holy Roman Empire.

That is all. I'd apperciate any thoughts on this.

 

[The_Everlasting]

It doesn't make sense for them to have Type 8 Immortality due to the existence of their country but only have Wall Level Durability because of shown feats.

Sorry, but why? Type 8 Immortality is an entirely separate thing from durability. It doesn't matter if their Immortality is reliant on a rock, a city, a country, a planet, or even an entire galaxy, their durability remains the same.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I was thinking that it might be best to add something like this to their pages since Hetalia operates on a very weird form of immortality.

"Due to their unique form of Immorality, the attacker must be able to destroy the entire population, as well as cultural influence to put down [said character] for good. This doesn't scale to their physical durability, rather their immortality and regenerative abilities".

 

[Pepper14832]

It doesn't make sense for them to have Type 8 Immortality due to the existence of their country but only have Wall Level Durability because of shown feats.

Sorry, but why? Type 8 Immortality is an entirely separate thing from durability. It doesn't matter if their Immortality is reliant on a rock, a city, a country, a planet, or even an entire galaxy, their durability remains the same.

Then how exactly would someone get around their immortality in order to win a fight? They cannot die unless Type 8 is irrlevant. Their Type 1 or 2 Immortality wouldn't stop them from dying, it's Type 8. If you destroy the concept, they are vunerable. This even happened in their movie mind you. They were not able to be altered until their countries were destroyed.

I also agree with Dark if you don't agree with me on how we should scale this.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Pepper

I'm saying that's still not durability.

 

[Ryukama]

Ever and Dark beat me to it.

Regenerationn and Immortality =/= Durability.

Perhaps adding a note that due to their powers it'd require a High 6-A (which is sufficient enough power to wipe out a respective country along with humanity) or concept manipulator to beat them is an idea.

But giving them Country level durability when it's their other powers that let them survive such attacks I do not agree with.

 

[Pepper14832]

@Ryu. Okay. I can go with this. So, that would just be a note? That would not affect their Tier? Just wondering.

But I also must add. In their only movie. One country was able to withstand an attack that has the AP of attacking cities then eventually terraforming entire continents as well. But yes, of course. This has to do with their Immortality.


Now if we went along with Ryu's suggestion. Then that begs the questions of the countries themsleves AP. As again, France was able to kill Holy Roman Empire "for good." He admits to it.

 

[Ryukama]

If France permanantly killed Holy Roman Empire for good, that kinda just puts his Regenerationn and immortality into question. Not upgrade France's AP.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Holy Rome was depicted as being very weak if I recall (being a "chibi" character) so him dying for good isn't out of the question.

Where the powerful immortality and Regenerationn comes from is the "Ancient" Nations. Ancient Rome, Japan, England and a few others are still alive and well, despite Rome being straight up murdered at one point. Another case would be Prussia, who was pretty decisively murdered at one point, yet continues to live because he still has influence over others.

There are a few other examples of this, I think.

 

[Pepper14832]

France's AP can't be just Wall Level if you're saying someone with 6-A should be able to take down the nations. Not sayng France's AP should 6-A but clearly it needs to be higher to be able to take the Holy Roman Empire down for good. No?

 

[Pepper14832]

@Dark. Holy Rome Actually was severely weakened by years of War (I.e 30yrs War) with France, and although the creator has yet to Publish this, there has been an web comic where HRE has actually aged, he aged to about teenage years similar to Italy at the time that France told Italy HRE was no more.

Not all chibis are weaklings though. Turkey confirms this when he admitted Italy best him (when he was still a Chibi) and America also with his enormous strength)

As for Prussia. My only guess is he still exists because a portion of German still has the East Prussian concept, idenity IRL. But I'm sure that if Germany is destroyed, both Germany and Prussia are gone.

I believe you may be right with Rome and ect.

 

[Pepper14832]

So what is the verdict on this

 

[Antvasima]

It seems to not have been accepted by the rest of the staff.

 

[Antvasima]

The suggestion in Darkanine's first post might be a good text segment to add to their profile pages though.

 

[Pepper14832]

Yes, I agree with Dark Ant. But should we really ignore the fact that if we go along with Dark's suggestion. That the AP of the nations stay the same?

 

[Antvasima]

As others have stated, reliant Regenerationn/immortality is not the same thing as durability/invulnerability for the avatar/manifestation body.

 

[Pepper14832]

Alright.