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Hero Killer vs God Killer

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Greatsage13th said:
.... come again?
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Going by how quickly it's effects appear on humans and other things like fish dying through water it has a much higher radiation output then radiation in space, meaning that resistance is barely enough to amount to anything.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Wasnt doing that against Metal Bat hurting him in the process though?

I thought it wa established that Garou wouldnt be able to copy Aatrox's stuff due to him being magic-based
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It was, but that Garou is a complete amateur using the WSRF compared to CF Garou and pretty sure Garou should be able to copy Aatrox's power since he has Cosmic Awareness.

Of course if the void outright kills him because we are in Runeterra then that's an issue with the location and it should be changed.
 
Kachon123 said:
What's stopping Garou from deflecting and attacking with 2x the power + pressure points to stop Aatrox from moving, then pummel him with dura neg attacks?
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Nothing, but that wouldnt really do anything significant to put Aatrox down, not only is Aatrox massive but due to his self-healing, regen, and his brand of immortality (Aatrox himself is the sword, not the being wielding the sword), just trying to whittle down Aatrox's body wont really amount to much
 
Epiccheev said:
I was under the impression Aatrox was like 10 meters at best.
Then his sword alone (assuming it scales from the image, and he isn't wielding a toothpick) is likely larger than any portal Garou has been shown making.
Infernal chains can likely be countered by Massively superior LS if he's on the ground. If he's caught while flying he probably tries to make a black hole to destroy them or fire off a GRB wich spawns from himself. But would probably give Aatrox enough time to hit him with a swing.
NGL but wich such a size difference it's hard to imagine a proper skill/martial arts fight since Aatrox is colossal. The size and regen also makes it really hard for Garou to put him down. (even without the immortalities)
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Are you forgetting an inferior Garou killed a literal thousands of kilometers long centipede?
 
Recon1511 said:
pretty sure Garou should be able to copy Aatrox's power since he has Cosmic Awareness.
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So Garou can copy and utilize magic? Also what degree does his cosmic awareness work? Because Aatrox and LoL as a whole have higher-dimensional stuff as part of the verse's overall mechanics
 
Epiccheev said:
Going by how quickly it's effects appear on humans and other things like fish dying through water it has a much higher radiation output then radiation in space, meaning that resistance is barely enough to amount to anything.
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Like how much? Is it like standing at least 1000000km from the sun quantity of radiation?
 
Recon1511 said:
Are you forgetting an inferior Garou killed a literal thousands of kilometers long centipede?
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He did it because 1. He surpassed it with RE 2.He removed the core that let it regenerate 3. It's body shape was just Begging to be Karate choped when it became a giant straight line, wich allowed a very clean bisection.
 
Greatsage13th said:
Like how much? Is it like standing at least 1000000km from the sun quantity of radiation?
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Astronauts in the ISS are only exposed to about 50 to 2,000 msv during their time in space. To cause immediate hair loss and blood vomiting the level would have to be about 10,000 msv with death being almost inevitable within weeks. If exposure causes victims to fall asleep aka coma, such as what Garou did and if we low-balled the S-class being in Garou's presence to be over 3 minutes from the time he arrived, they would've been exposed to about 60,000 to 70,000 msv. Even being exposed to the Chernobyl reactor core for 10 minutes after the meltdown only reaches 50,000 msv. If the S-class were in Garou's presence between 2 min to a couple of seconds then exposure would be about 80,000 to 100,000 msv.

Keep in mind time and amount of exposure factor into these numbers. Like being exposed to 2,000 msv over an hour is worse than being exposed to 2,000 msv over a year.
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  • Being on a plane: 0.001 mSv a hour
  • Natural background radiation someone from the US will receive: 0.1 mSv a year
  • A chest X-Ray: 1.2 mSv
  • The US limit for Nuclear Workers: 50 mSv a year
  • The radiation that Chernobyl Recovery workers were it by: 170 mSv
  • Unshielded radiation levels in space: 400-900 mSv a year
  • 800 rads (8 grays) for consistently fatal ranges of radiation death within 7-28 days even with top medical care = 8,000 mSv
  • 1,000 rads (Confirmed threshold for acute radiation syndrome) = 10,000 mSv
  • Radiation received by people when Chernobyl went critical: 16,000 mSv
  • >3,000 rads (30 grays) range where the person usually dies within 24-48 hours due to radiation exposure and organ failure = 30,000 mSv
  • 5,000 rads (50 gray) range where the nervous system shuts down due to radiation damaging how bio-electricity moves through your body = 50,000 mSv
So basically being in outer space is about 4,000 times the radiation levels of a standard human. Being given a lethal dose of radiation within minutes would indicate about 40 to 125 times that radiation output (well maybe not since unshielded radiation is per year while that level of radiation was only a couple minutes/seconds of exposure).
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Garou's Radiation (At least 80,000 msv) >>>>>> Being in space (400 msv)

Humans who can withstand 50 msv without issues have major problems when dealing with radiation levels reaching 170 msv. That's a gap of 3.4x.

The gap between Garou's passive radiation levels and Aatrox's resistance is over 200x. Garou is killing it near instantly.
 
Epiccheev said:
He did it because 1. He surpassed it with RE 2.He removed the core that let it regenerate 3. It's body shape was just Begging to be Karate choped when it became a giant straight line, wich allowed a very clean bisection.
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Reread.
 
Kachon123 said:
Garou's Radiation (At least 80,000 msv) >>>>>> Being in space (400 msv)

Humans who can withstand 50 msv without issues have major problems when dealing with radiation levels reaching 170 msv. That's a gap of 3.4x.

The gap between Garou's passive radiation levels and Aatrox's resistance is over 200x. Garou is killing it near instantly.
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In space. Specifically where? Close to the sun like mercury or straight up on the sun's surface quantity of radiation?
 
Kachon123 said:
Garou can neg his regen with ease, and take care of 2 of the 3 typed of immortality Aatrox has.
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How so?
Kachon123 said:
Why not?
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Because its not alive to begin with. Its effectively a constantly regenerating meat puppet being piloted by the sword its wielding that is also constantly passively healing itself by absorbing life energy from the opponent and the environment while also having the ability to resurrect if it takes lethal damage
 
WeeklyBattles said:
So Garou can copy and utilize magic? Also what degree does his cosmic awareness work? Because Aatrox and LoL as a whole have higher-dimensional stuff as part of the verse's overall mechanics
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If he knows the "behavior of all forces in the universe" it should apply to magic too. But I understand if you disagree with that.
 
Epiccheev said:
He did it because 1. He surpassed it with RE 2.He removed the core that let it regenerate 3. It's body shape was just Begging to be Karate choped when it became a giant straight line, wich allowed a very clean bisection.
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But you do agree he has experience fighting massively bigger enemies than Aatrox and can use his martial arts just fine against them?
 
There was actually a thread about that. Consensus is no, Garou can't copy magic or any force that's 100% supernatural or higher D.
If it's based on pseudoscience/physics/technology/cosmos based or based on a power system that he would be equalized to (like Ki in Dragon Ball) then he can copy the phenomenom behind it.
 
Epiccheev said:
There was actually a thread about that. Consensus is no, Garou can't copy magic or any force that's 100% supernatural or higher D.
If it's based on pseudoscience/physics/technology/cosmos based or based on a power system that he would be equalized to (like Ki in Dragon Ball) then he can copy the phenomenom behind it.
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I see, so what's exactly the starting AP difference here then?
 
Kachon123 said:
Type 1 Immortality: Garou's radiation negged Zombieman's Type 1 Immortality
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My guy, Type 1 immortality is just the inability to die of old age, its basically just fancy Longevity
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Type 3 Immortality (regen): Attrax's Type 3 Immortality comes from his Low-Mid regen. Low Mid regen won't be able to regen from to damage on this caliber.
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If Aatrox were the same size as Garou i would be inclined to agree, but he's not, he is thousands of times bigger than Garou
 
Epiccheev said:
There was actually a thread about that. Consensus is no, Garou can't copy magic or any force that's 100% supernatural or higher D.
If it's based on pseudoscience/physics/technology/cosmos based or based on a power system that he would be equalized to (like Ki in Dragon Ball) then he can copy the phenomenom behind it.
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Aatrox's stuff is magic-based yeah, so Garou shouldnt be able to copy it
 
Recon1511 said:
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If he knows the "behavior of all forces in the universe" it should apply to magic too. But I understand if you disagree with that.
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Yeaaaaaah it might be best to change this to neutral ground then, because the current location would instantly kill Garou via him passively gaining knowledge of The Void
 
Okay then let's recap:

So Aatrox starts with the AP advantage here but Garou has WSRF which is a technique specifically made for situations like these to deflect/redirect Aatrox's attacks, his size shouldn't be an issue as he was shown to be able to use his martial arts in a thousands of kilometers long centipede. At this point Garou's RE would start kicking in fast and I mean it, Garou has gone from being comparable in speed to an opponent to completely blitzing them in fractions of a second and this is a much inferior Garou and RE we are talking about.

As for other techniques Garou has Awakening Breath that works as an stats amp to compensate for the initial AP disadvantage and various durability negation techniques: the Whirlwind Iron Cutting Fist which uses air shockwaves to cut the opponent to pieces. The Roaring Aura Sky Ripping Fist and Cross Fang Dragon Slayer fist, both techniques use internal shockwaves to turn the opponent into literal dust and finally the Great Fajin which targets internal organs pulverizing them.

I might be missing some other techniques though.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Okay, my guy, i might not be caught up on the manga but im caught up on the anime, i know that Garou didnt do that, thats Bang and Bomb's combination attack on Elder Centipede

Not only that but it didnt even kill EC
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Current Garou has mastered and can perform this technique on his own to a much higher degree than Bang and Bomb combined

He also did the same with the superior Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist
 
Kachon123 said:
It did not kill EC because he had the ability to molt. If you don't have that ability, or something similar, you would end up like Platinum Sperm.
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Aatrox does have that kind of ability though, he has the ability to resurrect after taking lethal damage
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Aatrox does have that kind of ability though, he has the ability to resurrect after taking lethal damage
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The host has to be removed from the blade to "win" right? Aatrox the blade can't be killed but the host certainly can and that should be enough otherwise Aatrox just incons everyone without existence erasure.
 
How does his sword posession work? Is it instant the moment Garou fist touches it?

Can't Garou just open tons of portals and spam hit Aatrox with his dura neg attack?
 
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