Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

[Udlmaster]

She was trying to break free and she couldn't, besides her not being able to dodge his attacks in the first place, so assuming that she's incomparably superior for no reason at all and that she just decided to let herself be pinned down because she isn't a fighter it's not really it.

Again, we see literally in this scene that having power doesn't make you good at fighting. These are mutually excusive factors. Emily has literally never fought anyone or anything ever.

Yeah, but Emily is vastly younger compared to Sera; she's probably still a child for seraphim standards, and the series has been pretty consistent with them being completely different levels. So saying a high-ranking infant should automatically be stronger than the head of the army is a pretty silly take, don't you think?

We don't know how much younger she is. She's depicted as a child but this doesn't mean that she's thousands of years younger. Her child-like looks are to show naïveté. She didn't know about the Exterminations, she doesn't know how bad Hell can be and she doesn't know how bad Humans are.

And there isn't really a "yeah but" to that, because if you agree that Rosie is referring to Rank in terms of power, that is the deciding factor. That is what the story tells us.

So saying a high-ranking infant should automatically be stronger than the head of the army is a pretty silly take, don't you think?

Not if one of them is a Higher order being? This is a category mismatch.

I don't know why age would factor in besides experience and proficiency in their abilities.

Like, I don't think a Human General or Commander and Chief is superior to an Infant Star Whale because one is a higher entity who's inherently stronger.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Doing the shok.wav calc rn and it looks like that one imgur image uses when shok.wav was mid-leaving V tower to the building instead of when he left the tower and went to the building. That doesn't sound like a big difference but it's the differences between 6/24 frames and 18/24 frames. Mach 10 is kind of a highball overall cause of that

 

[ShionAH]

correct me if I'm wrong but at that point both Charlie and Emily were saving sinners from the destruction Vox was causing so they were actually super far away from the gun

thats true I forgot, Idk where you got "super far" from tho

 

[Mythic381]

Tbh it’s not impactful unless you do Hell and Неаven separate universes, and if you do then keep in mind that majority here seems against it.

That is literally the only thing there's about the cosmology, of course it's what I'm doing, also it seems to me like they only people who were against were like 3 including you, the ones agreeing seemed more.

 

[ShionAH]

For the record I believe saying they are planets is just going against the author so yall need to prove its the death of the author.

Like its directly said they LOOK and ACT like planets but are actually universes

"But as season 2 continues, the two orbs hanging in the sky also serve as a frequent visual reminder of the story's stakes. Vox is raising the tension between Heaven and Hell, but Lucifer's daughter Charlie Morningstar finally has allies in Heaven in the attempt to save Hell's denizens. Hazbin Hotel has never just been about life in Hell, but as the connections between the two realms become more complicated, a perpetual reminder of their importance to each other is literally hanging over the characters' heads. "That's how we set it up on the visual end," Medrano says, "and the way it makes the most sense, I think.""

They only really even appear for story telling, its just visuals.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

thats true I forgot, Idk where you got "super far" from tho

I mean, the distance it's unclear, so because Emily barely reacted to the beam once it was close enough, she shouldn't fully scale.
The fact that Charlie also saw the beam about to hit Alastor means that likely all characters could react to it, despite them all being slower.

Regardless I'm actually thinking this feat is probably much higher than FTL considering the distance between Hell and Heaven (Something which the current calc ignores)

 

[Electronic74947]

I will handle Adam

adam only gets a stat boost via alastor lmfao

 

[Grimm's_Fortitude]

Tbf Rosie has exact same green powers, and I don’t think a deal can grant more than the sides can provide (like you can’t just make a deal with no-name to kill Seraphims)

I’m just saying it logically/narratively soesn’t make sense to argue Alastor > Rosie
If you know Gravity Falls, it sounds like Bill > Axolotl to me

Deals seem to literally rewrite reality. When Alastor made a deal with Charlie to give her knowledge of the angel’s death, he didn’t lose that knowledge and he never had to say it out loud, reality just changed so that Charlie knew it too.

This is why Rosie didn't lose any power when her deal with Alastor broke. She rewrote reality to make him the most powerful Sinner, all without sacrificing anything on her part.

Sinners can’t just wish themselves into being the strongest, though. A deal seems to be limited by the demon’s raw power: the more power they have, the more they can change reality. They also can’t give what isn’t within their capacity to give in the first place, hence why Alastor couldn't tell Charlie how the angel died, just that it did.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I mean, the distance it's unclear, so because Emily barely reacted to the beam once it was close enough, she shouldn't fully scale.
The fact that Charlie also saw the beam about to hit Alastor means that likely all characters could react to it, despite them all being slower.

Charlie Morningfraud: Alastor oh no! Can’t do a thing (3x)
Emily-Chad: saves Alastor the first time she ever even sees him

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

adam only gets a stat boost via alastor lmfao

He gets additional Social Influencing via making Lute so wet for him she has schizophrenia

 

[DaReaperMan]

He gets additional Social Influencing via making Lute so wet for him she has schizophrenia

Literally though

Put in Adam for Immortality type 6 for shit and giggles and better SI to get Lute on that misogynistic CO--

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Seraphims do cuz vibes scaling go!

Wait actually didn’t Emily LS-overpower the Shark to save Alastor from it?

 

[Electronic74947]

FYI Alastor might be a god tier in jjk after the revisions are through

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

FYI Alastor might be a god tier in jjk after the revisions are through

Average Overlord*

 

[Electronic74947]

Wait actually didn’t Emily LS-overpower the Shark to save Alastor from it?

I thought she kinda just ripped alastor off his teeth, considering alastor's arms are bleeding

 

[ShionAH]

Put in Adam for Immortality type 6

mf just cant stay down, now we need Naoya Zenin vs Lute ngl.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Wait actually didn’t Emily LS-overpower the Shark to save Alastor from it?

If this is true Vox would have vastly superior LS to his own sharks and Bumlastor would have the lowest LS in relation to his AP ever lmao

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Supersonic+ and 8-B+

 

[Electronic74947]

Supersonic+ and 8-B+

is that.......mach 3?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I thought she kinda just ripped alastor off his teeth, considering alastor's arms are bleeding

Fair

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Supersonic+ and 8-B+

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Supersonic+ and 8-B+

Add LS for funnies please (literally mass times speed divided by timeframe)

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Tbf it is worthy for Travel Speed, since Alastor was quite literally running away from it and Vox could tag him

So it would be Supersonic+ Travel Speed, FTL R/C

 

[Electronic74947]

mach 3 is enough to contend with jjk top tiers lmfao

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Can I add “Shock.Wav, save me! This is weakened Alastor that my 100% approval strongest-Sinner-ass is up against!” to Vox’s quotes btw? /j

 

[Stellar_Fish]

mach 3 is enough to contend with jjk top tiers lmfao

I mean yeah but it's very likely that most characters will now get around FTL or similar, and the ones who don't will likely not even scale to the sharks, so

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Supersonic+ and 8-B+

I feel like you could assume that 25% of Shock's body is steel

Other than that, do you think it's worth to calc the force of the dash? Since Shock could stop it's own speed with it's claws

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

is that.......mach 3?

Shok.wav is faster than Naoya and basically accelerated in half a second, unlike that misogynistic bum

Correct

Add LS for funnies please (literally mass times speed divided by timeframe)

Other than that, do you think it's worth to calc the force of the dash? Since Shock could stop it's own speed with it's claws

**** it, why not.

I feel like you could assume that 25% of Shock's body is steel

You know I could but at the same time I'm lazy so......

Also I'd probably have to figure out the actual volume of it which is another issue

 

[DaReaperMan]

Snip

If you want to have fun, you can calc Human Vincent's ability to use a ******* stage light as a weapon and hang two fully grown men at the same time

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Also I'd probably have to figure out the actual volume of it which is another issue

I don't think it's that hard to find the volume of a shark, if you know their weight and density especially

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Also I'd probably have to figure out the actual volume of it which is another issue

Eh, just divide the kg by the average density of a shark

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

I don't think it's that hard to find the volume of a shark, if you know their weight and density especially

Yeah that's kind of the issue I couldn't find that online

 

[Mythic381]

Also from the ones who stopped the explosion, I only counted 14, someone said 16?

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Also from the ones who stopped the explosion, I only counted 14, someone said 16?

Holy sht you're right, I counted two random overlords twice because I thought they were new ones

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Eh, just divide the kg by the average density of a shark

The only values I've been able to find in terms of averages are length and the weight of a shark. Haven't found anything on volume or density and I don't feel like trying to figure out the volume of a shark manually

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Also from the ones who stopped the explosion, I only counted 14, someone said 16?

Holy sht you're right, I counted two random overlords twice because I thought they were new ones

Repeat the process several times and get full scaling to the value /j

 

[ShionAH]

Repeat the process several times and get full scaling to the value /j

What is everyone talking about? I only saw Emily uhh Zeezi do the whole thing lol, fr

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Does Shok.wav being a Megalodon help at all?

 

[DaReaperMan]

What is everyone talking about? I only saw Emily uhh Zeezi do the whole thing lol, fr

I am going to get myself possessed by Adam and proceed to beat you to death with an Arcanite Ripper

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Does Shok.wav being a Megalodon help at all?

Not really because he's not a normal megalodon, plus we don't know the volume of a megalodon to count for his steel parts