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Cosmology
So in my last thread i explained the scaling of characters to the cosmology, but for that i didn't know i gotta get the cosmology accepted first so, here we are.
Here is the Blog i made explaining the cosmology
Through this blog we get the cosmology ranging from low complex multiversal (low 1-C) as bare minimum to casually outerversal (1-A) to arguably 35 layers into High outerversal (High 1-A), which depends if there can be beings who perceive anywhere from 3-38 states of existence without seeing the higher one rather than existence jumping from 2 states to 39 states instantly out the cave.
To make it short: it's all about the 39 states of existence and heaven and hell's scaling to those states
But İ think i should explain some stuff along with this.
That being how these 39 states of existence are interveined with the fraud layer and the 39 states of existence more clearly.
So firstly from what's commonly agreed in the lore these states of existence are indeed about the punishment of the fraud layer, as the whole book is essentialy thought as an explanation for the fraud layer in the first place. The first and second sections of the book are about why the fraud layer looks like the New peace on the surface, and the third being what's actually going on in the fraud layer at all, because the terminals despite being the biggest interconnected hivemind within that of hell and knowing pretty much everything about it couldn't figure it out, so where do we get this Info from? Hell itself. İn the third pharagraph hell explains that violence is an ontological truth for all loving beings and that peace is a failure of free will, and than at the end of the Second pharagraph hell states "no even this is not gnosis" as in divine knowledge as known from gnosticism, before explaining the 39 states of existence.
İ Mentioned in the blog that the ost names of the fraud layer levels also lead towards this with 8-1's First ost being "in absence of LOGOS" lining up with "the eye of LOGOS sees only a colorless existence in a monopotential world" and the 8-2 first ost being "Never odd or even" lining up with the breaking of binary concepts as stated in the book.
But İ should mention that ost names actually do have narrative significance too. The most notable one being "the death of god's will" basically being the fact that since Gabriel is in charge of being "god's will" shown multiple times, Gabriel starts acting on his own will rather than relying on that of god, symbolizing the fact that god's will to live indeed actually dies in the testaments.
Another being that of "War without reason" which doesn't need much explaining, it's basically about how at some point in the final War humanity lost control of the War when the earthmovers were invented, as hell itself states in a book in 7-4 about this.
There is like a lot more that has correlation to the lore but they are too obvious, unstoppable force is basically about V1 being, well, an unstoppable force and a "one machine army" in 0-4. into the fire is basically about the start of V1's rampage through hell, and abyss and the serpent is about the leviathan which is indeed a big serpent in the abyss (
).
Another thing to say is that these states of existence are also present in the other layers of hell, we can conclude this through hakita's statements and what's shown in-game.
So if you read the cosmology blog, in the hell section the non-spatial and abstract nature of hell is explained by hakita as shown in multiple screenshots and a Stream clip.
And in these screenshots hakita essentialy explains that hell's nature is very logically contradictory as it's literally "all shapes at the same time but not really any of them" "gluttony is inside Minos but also not inside Minos" "it was Never one shape to begin with" makes hell's nature outside that of binary logic as explained in the book. İngame showings also support these states to be in the other layers and hell's nature operating on these 39 states of existence in general. Because when we look at what we saw in fraud like, looping rooms and nonsensical locations it lines up with what hakita is saying in the screenshot, and it's pretty similar to what we saw in the 1-3 part where you fall through a Hole and go back to the start, and at the start of 5-2 if you slide through the water to the right the starting area loops back.
And in the Stream clip that likely just confirms this is that, before explaining how hell operates on abstract concepts rather than actual space, he stated that "there are some things that are yet to be explained that might be explained later on eventually" and the book in 8-3 might indeed be the explanation, i mean of course right? Why would it not be in the layer where it's all about showing such nature.
Pages for hell and god
Ok now since we got the cosmology covered i wanna mention that we should get pages for god and hell, as those are quite literally the beings that guarantee scale to the cosmology.
Because god literally created the cosmology in the first place and hell grew to a point where even god couldn't unmake it as stated in testament 3.
So i think that's all. Have a good day.
So in my last thread i explained the scaling of characters to the cosmology, but for that i didn't know i gotta get the cosmology accepted first so, here we are.
Here is the Blog i made explaining the cosmology
Through this blog we get the cosmology ranging from low complex multiversal (low 1-C) as bare minimum to casually outerversal (1-A) to arguably 35 layers into High outerversal (High 1-A), which depends if there can be beings who perceive anywhere from 3-38 states of existence without seeing the higher one rather than existence jumping from 2 states to 39 states instantly out the cave.
To make it short: it's all about the 39 states of existence and heaven and hell's scaling to those states
But İ think i should explain some stuff along with this.
That being how these 39 states of existence are interveined with the fraud layer and the 39 states of existence more clearly.
So firstly from what's commonly agreed in the lore these states of existence are indeed about the punishment of the fraud layer, as the whole book is essentialy thought as an explanation for the fraud layer in the first place. The first and second sections of the book are about why the fraud layer looks like the New peace on the surface, and the third being what's actually going on in the fraud layer at all, because the terminals despite being the biggest interconnected hivemind within that of hell and knowing pretty much everything about it couldn't figure it out, so where do we get this Info from? Hell itself. İn the third pharagraph hell explains that violence is an ontological truth for all loving beings and that peace is a failure of free will, and than at the end of the Second pharagraph hell states "no even this is not gnosis" as in divine knowledge as known from gnosticism, before explaining the 39 states of existence.
İ Mentioned in the blog that the ost names of the fraud layer levels also lead towards this with 8-1's First ost being "in absence of LOGOS" lining up with "the eye of LOGOS sees only a colorless existence in a monopotential world" and the 8-2 first ost being "Never odd or even" lining up with the breaking of binary concepts as stated in the book.
But İ should mention that ost names actually do have narrative significance too. The most notable one being "the death of god's will" basically being the fact that since Gabriel is in charge of being "god's will" shown multiple times, Gabriel starts acting on his own will rather than relying on that of god, symbolizing the fact that god's will to live indeed actually dies in the testaments.
Another being that of "War without reason" which doesn't need much explaining, it's basically about how at some point in the final War humanity lost control of the War when the earthmovers were invented, as hell itself states in a book in 7-4 about this.
There is like a lot more that has correlation to the lore but they are too obvious, unstoppable force is basically about V1 being, well, an unstoppable force and a "one machine army" in 0-4. into the fire is basically about the start of V1's rampage through hell, and abyss and the serpent is about the leviathan which is indeed a big serpent in the abyss (
).Another thing to say is that these states of existence are also present in the other layers of hell, we can conclude this through hakita's statements and what's shown in-game.
So if you read the cosmology blog, in the hell section the non-spatial and abstract nature of hell is explained by hakita as shown in multiple screenshots and a Stream clip.
And in these screenshots hakita essentialy explains that hell's nature is very logically contradictory as it's literally "all shapes at the same time but not really any of them" "gluttony is inside Minos but also not inside Minos" "it was Never one shape to begin with" makes hell's nature outside that of binary logic as explained in the book. İngame showings also support these states to be in the other layers and hell's nature operating on these 39 states of existence in general. Because when we look at what we saw in fraud like, looping rooms and nonsensical locations it lines up with what hakita is saying in the screenshot, and it's pretty similar to what we saw in the 1-3 part where you fall through a Hole and go back to the start, and at the start of 5-2 if you slide through the water to the right the starting area loops back.
And in the Stream clip that likely just confirms this is that, before explaining how hell operates on abstract concepts rather than actual space, he stated that "there are some things that are yet to be explained that might be explained later on eventually" and the book in 8-3 might indeed be the explanation, i mean of course right? Why would it not be in the layer where it's all about showing such nature.
Pages for hell and god
Ok now since we got the cosmology covered i wanna mention that we should get pages for god and hell, as those are quite literally the beings that guarantee scale to the cosmology.
Because god literally created the cosmology in the first place and hell grew to a point where even god couldn't unmake it as stated in testament 3.
So i think that's all. Have a good day.
(I open the cosmology blog and that's the first thing I see)
