Hax Vs AP Celestia Sun moving

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Does sun moving count as direct AP despite requiring a specfic type of magic to do

Who's to say that she can channel the sun moving magic into offensive blast?

 

[Lightbuster30]

If it were "specific hax" she wouldn't even have the tier.

 

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If it were "specific hax" she wouldn't even have the tier.

That's why I wanted you to explain.

Because Twilight needing their magic to move the sun doesn't make any sense if that was the case or anyone for that matter

It's not like there's a Q&A for me to ask questions

care to help out or do you have better things to do

 

[Jinsye]

Except Twilight explicitly was too weak to move the sun until the Alicorns gave her their magic.

It's not even hax, it's telekinesis. Said telekinesis comes from the same source as all of her other magic so she should be able to put the same amount of power that she did for moving the sun into an energy blast since that's how magic works in MLP.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Makes no sense that moving something through direct power wouldn't translate to AP.

 

[Lightbuster30]

You mean aside from the fact that there's absolutely nothing implying it's hax in the first place? They do it through telekinesis. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/388888263605092354/423543503004368908/qrx2t3n.png

Using their Unicorn magic, Star Swirl and five of the Unicorns focused their energies and brought down ther sun. Star Swirl then joined the other five Unicorns, and using all their concentration, he guided them in raising the moon. It was truly amazing and took a huge amount of powerful magic.
Why on earth would a task that explicitly requires powerful magic to pull off be remotely hax related? How did Celestia and Luna raise the Sun and Moon on their first try when they were never taught a spell to do so? How did Twilight or the Storm King move the Sun and Moon without prior knowledge to whatever this unknown "hax spell" is?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Also word of god confirms Princess celestial controls "the sun, the moon, and the stars" thus making her 4-A

 

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Also word of god confirms Princess celestial controls "the sun, the moon, and the stars" thus making her 4-A </div>

It's less the fact that it would be hax it just that it doesn't seem like it's pure power considering the specific circumstances required to do such a feat

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

How do you move a sun without pure power

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

No, Telekinesis is pure AP.

There is no "hax" that would invalidate the TK, many characters get their AP through TK such as Mob

 

[Lightbuster30]

Also word of god confirms Princess celestial controls "the sun, the moon, and the stars" thus making her 4-A </div>

It's less the fact that it would be hax it just that it doesn't seem like it's pure power considering the specific circumstances required to do such a feat

Right, and as I showed you in the book scan: Those "Circumstances" are "huge amounts of powerful magic". There. Circumstances. There's no mention of hax. It doesn't matter if it doesn't "seem" like it takes power to pull off, that's what we're told. Thinking it doesn't "seem" that way doesn't invalidate that.

 

[EMagoIorSouI]

Light is correct.

 

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How do you move a sun without pure power

I don't know that's what I'm asking is it an outlier? is it PIS? Does the rule of magic in FIM differently, I want to know how the wiki answer this oversight

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Except... discord, without celestia's power, moves the sun just fine.

 

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Except... discord, without celestia's power, moves the sun just fine.

So why can't Twi or any other 4-C's do it? I think that would answer this perfectly.

 

[Lightbuster30]

The writers simply don't think they can. They're rated that high anyways because powerscaling contradicts what the writers think.

 

[EMagoIorSouI]

That kind of logic kinda goes for a lot of verses. For example, Knuckle Joe can generate a crack down through Planet Popstar's center, while a standard fodder enemy like NESP, who scales to Knuckle Joe, hasn't been seen doing that, nor can he actually perform such a feat.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Has NESP even interacted with Knuckle Joe in any meanful manner? Because the main reasons we scale MLP characters to Celestia tiers is acutally fighting on par with them. Starlight with Chrysalis, Twilight with Sombra. Plus a few others off the top of my head.

 

[EMagoIorSouI]

Considering that the Star Ally version of NESP (Who still remains and scales to the fodder scaling chain) is able to take out Knuckle Joe enemies in Star Allies with relative ease, in a technical sense yes. I'm just making a point that he scales to and fights a character with a 5-A feat while he himself hasn't demonstrated a feat on that level at all, somewhat similar to this case with MLP.

Btw, I made that comment to back up what you said and gave an example from another verse to help with that.

 

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That kind of logic kinda goes for a lot of verses. For example, Knuckle Joe can generate a crack down through Planet Popstar's center, while a standard fodder enemy like NESP, who scales to Knuckle Joe, hasn't been seen doing that, nor can he actually perform such a feat.

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